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    Why The Passionate Attacks On Ariz. Will Continue

    Arizona can't be allowed to succeed. That's what amnesty advocates and open borders fans feel. If the state does prosper, they've pretty much lost the fight to legalize millions of undocumented folks.


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    Illegal Latinos in Arizona will only fight the law if they see hope that it will change. Chances are the majority will simply leave for other neighboring states or California. However, California has a high unemployment rate so Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada will likely experience a surge in the number of illegals.

    What a mess. Not to mention what some of these people might put their families through in the process. That's why things have to be done in order and legally even if it takes years to go through the process.

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    An excellent presentation. Thanks.
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    That is why many of these other states need to follow suit behind Arizona. This IS NOT JUST A STAND against illegal aliens. This is a stand against our federal government and their wreckless spending and failure to follow rule of law and protecting this country as they pledged or sworn to do so. I am afraid Obama is the one that is misled in many of his decisions. Too bad we still have some years to put up with his BS
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    I think the root of the problem is:

    1. Business and trade with Mexico. A stance against illegal immigration usually causes the Mexican government to cry bloody murder.
    The U.S. cares because we're doing multi-billion dollar business with them and want to stay on their good side.

    2. Thousands of American businesses employ millions of illegal immigrants. Hotels, fast food chains, warehouses, meat plants, slaughterhouses, food processing plants, wrecking yards, landfills, recycling companies, immigration attorneys, large and small restaurants, janitorial companies large and small, hotels and hotel chains, construction and landscaping companies, HVAC companies, roofers, builders, scrap metal companies, drug runners, etc. etc. These business do not want to pay higher wages, risk employee lawsuits and they're comfortable hiring illegal aliens: they work hard, get paid less and make less demands. Plus, employers don't have to pay fees to employment agencies or even spend money advertising in order to find them. Not to mention the under the table cash-only arrangements among smaller operators. Now think about this: in a bad economy, would employers hire someone for $7/hr or pay a fair wage of say, $14/hr?

    3. Lower-end Real estate and rental properties benefit from illegals by filling vacancies.

    So, it's more than just the law. It's all about $$$ and when there is a fight against illegal immigration, it's important to remember that the fight affects businesses that employ them and so there is huge resistance.

    In essence, American businesses that employ illegals are a huge part of the problem. Then there is the border issue. The border is not 100% patrolled, right? Finally, illegal immigration supporters who see nothing wrong with an invasion for work, benefits and privileges and label it as a simple misdemeanor or a trespass. Now, add scores of brand name Churches that also support illegal immigration for the sake of so-called compassion and increased converts.

    Obviously, it's a complex problem. It would take someone with cajones to simply say enough is enough, begin massive deportations, fine and/or arrest business owners, require e-Verify at all levels, do away with the social security card and come up with an forgery-proof id that only citizens and legal residents would have, increase the focus on LEGAL immigrants and take away Mexico's monopoly on immigration issues. Families whose children have had their social security number stolen could possibly file a class-action lawsuit. Families who have lost loved ones to DUI's from illegals or murder could do the same and a lot more state and federal scrutiny on immigration attorneys gaming the system and getting fees obtained from hopeful illegals. Not to mention sham marriages, marriages-for-hire, fake employment, id theft, perjuries, immigration fraud, false documents, document mills, etc.

    America's addiction to importing cheap labor - and drugs - from Mexico is a big part of the equation. There are solutions to the problem. The problem is not acting on the solutions. Basically, Americans need to decide whether or not it's OK to be colonized by Mexico's poor and uneducated.
    Illegals only have two cards to play: The racism card and the human factor card. Nothing else. They usually switch between these two cards according to the pressure they receive from those who don't want the U.S. to continue to be a sanctuary to illegals south of the border and those who change the true meaning of the word "immigrant."

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniteasone
    That is why many of these other states need to follow suit behind Arizona. This IS NOT JUST A STAND against illegal aliens. This is a stand against our federal government and their wreckless spending and failure to follow rule of law and protecting this country as they pledged or sworn to do so. I am afraid Obama is the one that is misled in many of his decisions. Too bad we still have some years to put up with his BS
    Not to mention the many years it will take to undo the damage he has done!
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    I think the problem is the North American Union that the elite is trying to implement without our knowledge or approval.

    First there was Nafta and the SPP agreements which destroyed our manufacturing base and Mexico's agricultural base.

    Then Spanish was introduced as a defecto second American language, appearing in all government departments, and through business and on all packaging.

    Then they started to build the North American Highway. Even though our government denies its existance, Canada and Mexico do not.

    They they let in Mexican trucking into the USA.

    There is talk in Canada and Mexico talk about the new currency, the Amero, though it is not mentioned here.

    Bush stopped border enforcement so Mexicans could flood into the USA.

    Then they demanded amnesty for all the illegals here.

    Judicial Watch obtained a document from the Bush government that said as Americans would resist a North American Union, it had to be done "by evolutionary stealth". Check out their web site. In fact, google North American Union to see what our government is hiding from us.

    Both the Repubs and the Dems are in on it. There was an article by David Brooks around 2007 going after Lou Dobbs (who was anti amnesty then) for screwing things up for the elite who was making huge profits off this free trade movement.

    There is a reason why over the last 15 years the wealth of the working class and middle class in America has been shifted to the rich.

    The Repub Party and the Dem Party will continue their push for a North American Union and to integrate by "evolutionary stealth".

    The lastest step of course is the GOP push for guest worker amnesty, in order to allow all the Mexicans illegally in this country to stay here.

    It is all part of the plan.

    Unless Americans wake up and vote all these guys out of office, we are going to lose our language, our culture and our country.

    All there will be left to do is to ask the last person in the country we once called America to lower the flag one last time.
    Take a stand or all there will be left to do is to ask the last person in the country we once called America to lower the flag one last time.

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    Rush Limbaugh just correctly said on his show that Arizona's new law is the most effective deportation technique we've seen in a long time.

    So I agree that the hysteria and attacks from the open borders crowd will continue against Arizona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legalalien
    I think the root of the problem is:

    2. Thousands of American businesses employ millions of illegal immigrants. Hotels, fast food chains, warehouses, meat plants, slaughterhouses, food processing plants, wrecking yards, landfills, recycling companies, immigration attorneys, large and small restaurants, janitorial companies large and small, hotels and hotel chains, construction and landscaping companies, HVAC companies, roofers, builders, scrap metal companies, drug runners, etc. etc.
    legal, all your points are well taken, but I think that cheap, docile labor is the most important and, as you posted, leads to massive resistance. Organizations such as ALIPAC, CIS, and Numbers USA are invaluable, because they're the only sources of information or advocacy which begin with an American point of view.

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    Bettybb wrote:

    The lastest step of course is the GOP push for guest worker amnesty, in order to allow all the Mexicans illegally in this country to stay here.
    The thoughts and ideas of a few people, regardless of party, doesn't make it a push for amnesty. I've not seen or heard of a GOP push to legalize illegal alien workers through a guest-worker program. A handful of RINOs don't speak for the Grand Old Party (Republican Party), they're speaking for themselves. I'm not aware of any such policy being part of the GOP. Oh, and by the way, Glenn Beck doesn't speak for the party neither.

    Perhaps you're confusing the GOP with the Dems and Sen. Feinstein's AgJobs bill.

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