Thread: On Yahoo News: "Illegals Not Health Care Burden"

This fiction from the University of California, our nation's most liberal cesspool, is currently running on Yahoo news...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071126/us_ ... _health_dc

Illegal Immigrants not US health care burden: study

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illegal Latino immigrants do not cause a drag on the U.S. health care system as some critics have contended and in fact get less care than Latinos in the country legally, researchers said on Monday.

Such immigrants tend not to have a regular doctor or other health-care provider yet do not visit emergency rooms -- often a last resort in such cases -- with any more frequency than Latinos born in the United States, according to the report from the University of California's School of Public Health.

The finding from Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the school was based on a 2003 telephone survey of thousands of California residents, including 1,317 undocumented Mexicans, 2,851 citizens with Mexican immigrant parents, 271 undocumented Latinos from countries other than Mexico and 852 non-Mexican Latinos born in the United States.

About 8.4 million of the 10.3 million illegal aliens in the United States are Latino, of which 5.9 million are from Mexico, the report said.

"One recurrent theme in the debate over immigration has been the use of public services, including health care," Ortega's team wrote in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Proponents of restrictive policies have argued that immigrants overuse services, placing an unreasonable burden on the public. Despite a scarcity of well-designed research ... use of resources continues to be a part of the public debate," they said.

The researchers said illegal Mexican immigrants had 1.6 fewer visits to doctors over the course of a year than people born in the country to Mexican immigrants. Other undocumented Latinos had 2.1 fewer physician visits than their U.S.-born counterparts, they said.

"Low rates of use of health-care services by Mexican immigrants and similar trends among other Latinos do not support public concern about immigrants' overuse of the health care system," the researchers wrote.

"Undocumented individuals demonstrate less use of health care than U.S.-born citizens and have more negative experiences with the health care that they have received," they said.

(Reporting by Michael Conlon; Editing by Maggie Fox and Bill Trott)

Funny thing, I was in an ER here in TX a few months back, it was clogged
with Latinos, many of whom were undoubtedly illegals, bringing in kids and family members for routine, NON-EMEGENCY, free treatment. True emergency patients suffered because these folks were taking so many rooms.

When I was driving an ambulance to Galveston, it was the same thing in those area hospitals; so many illegals using it for a free clinic that emergency victims suffered while waiting for space to clear.

I have family members who are on staff at two hospitals. They have to
treat illegals, and the hospitals know that there will be no payment by them. The legal, taxpaying citizens have to pay for the freeloaders.

Not a burden? Yeah, right.

Rather than a 2003 telephone interview, why not go look in ER? I'm a nurse, 2 of my kids are nurses, 1 of my kids is a med lab tech in a hospital. We'll ALL vouch that the ER and our hospitals are chock full of illegals who use the ER for as mundane a purpose as to obtain a Tylenol they refuse to buy OTC. This article is more propaganda put out by OBL.

My girlfriend is an administrator in a California hospital and she said that it is overcrowded with illegals and they have an offensive attitude when they are asked about finances. They flat out say "you can't make me pay." They need another survey and by the way how many people would actually tell someone that the are illegal? They use the hopsitals as their primary care.

all you have to do is sit in the emergency room and see that this is a bull shit story... what about all of the hospitals that are forced to close there doors

maybe looking in a maternaty room would be a good wake up call to see all of the lies being pushed by this piece of garbage from a lame reporter ...

perhaps they should interview any number of the 80+ hospitals that have been closed in California.

What is up with Yahoo? I am noticing some serious biasness from them. Who owns them?

All the GOP coverage is either on Ghouliani or Huckaberry... so weird. the TWO most liberal and amnesty loving GOP's and they are promoted the most..

I guess it cuts both ways... we get to have right sided talkradio and then the left get the papers...

Originally Posted by KenInTX

This fiction from the University of California, our nation's most liberal cesspool, is currently running on Yahoo news...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071126/us_ ... _health_dc

Illegal Immigrants not US health care burden: study

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illegal Latino immigrants do not cause a drag on the U.S. health care system as some critics have contended and in fact get less care than Latinos in the country legally, researchers said on Monday.

Such immigrants tend not to have a regular doctor or other health-care provider yet do not visit emergency rooms -- often a last resort in such cases -- with any more frequency than Latinos born in the United States, according to the report from the University of California's School of Public Health.

The finding from Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the school was based on a 2003 telephone survey of thousands of California residents, including 1,317 undocumented Mexicans, 2,851 citizens with Mexican immigrant parents, 271 undocumented Latinos from countries other than Mexico and 852 non-Mexican Latinos born in the United States.

About 8.4 million of the 10.3 million illegal aliens in the United States are Latino, of which 5.9 million are from Mexico, the report said.

"One recurrent theme in the debate over immigration has been the use of public services, including health care," Ortega's team wrote in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Proponents of restrictive policies have argued that immigrants overuse services, placing an unreasonable burden on the public. Despite a scarcity of well-designed research ... use of resources continues to be a part of the public debate," they said.

The researchers said illegal Mexican immigrants had 1.6 fewer visits to doctors over the course of a year than people born in the country to Mexican immigrants. Other undocumented Latinos had 2.1 fewer physician visits than their U.S.-born counterparts, they said.

"Low rates of use of health-care services by Mexican immigrants and similar trends among other Latinos do not support public concern about immigrants' overuse of the health care system," the researchers wrote.

"Undocumented individuals demonstrate less use of health care than U.S.-born citizens and have more negative experiences with the health care that they have received," they said.

(Reporting by Michael Conlon; Editing by Maggie Fox and Bill Trott)

Funny thing, I was in an ER here in TX a few months back, it was clogged
with Latinos, many of whom were undoubtedly illegals, bringing in kids and family members for routine, NON-EMEGENCY, free treatment. True emergency patients suffered because these folks were taking so many rooms.

When I was driving an ambulance to Galveston, it was the same thing in those area hospitals; so many illegals using it for a free clinic that emergency victims suffered while waiting for space to clear.

I have family members who are on staff at two hospitals. They have to
treat illegals, and the hospitals know that there will be no payment by them. The legal, taxpaying citizens have to pay for the freeloaders.

Not a burden? Yeah, right.

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Yahoo is a LIAR!!!
So this below is all a lie!!! Looks like Yahoo has a stake in the illegals business too!

Maybe we should start boycotting Yahoo now.

'Border baby' boom strains S. Texas (70-80% of births mothers are illegal aliens)Houston Chronicle | 9/24/06 | JAMES PINKERTON


RIO GRANDE CITY — First it was a trickle, now it's a flood.


Doctors and health officials say they are overwhelmed by both the new arrivals and those immigrant mothers who already are in the state. Even Houston's feeling the pinch.

An estimated 70 percent to 80 percent of the 10,587 births at Ben Taub General Hospital and Lyndon B. Johnson General Hospital last year were to undocumented immigrants, administrators say.

Also feeling the strain is Starr County, an already poor South Texas county that has the region's only taxpayer-supported hospital district.

Immigrants "want a U.S.-born baby" and know that emergency room staffers don't collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County.

"The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?" Rodriguez said.

''When we are separated only by the distance of the river, it's easy to do," Starr County hospital administrator Thalia Muñoz said. "It's gotten worse, and it's because the economy in Mexico is not good and because we provide all these benefits."

Unfortunately, doctors say, Starr County isn't alone.

''Our little snapshot is duplicated in all the municipalities between here and California," said Tony Falcon, a Rio Grande City physician who was appointed to the U.S.-Mexico Border Health Commission in April. ''What you see here is what is happening in Brownsville, McAllen, El Paso and San Diego."

He operates a private family clinic and delivers babies at the Starr County hospital. About a third of his deliveries are what he calls "walk-ins" — mothers in labor showing up at the ER.

''Obviously, it has a huge impact on patient health and the kind of health care that's provided," Falcon said. "You don't get the kind of prenatal care you should get."

'Anchor babies' Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as "anchor babies" because they give their undocumented parents and relatives a way to petition for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.

Once parents have an "anchor baby," they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington, D.C.

''It's a fairly big factor in complicating the removal of illegal aliens," Martin said. "Illegal aliens know that and, to some extent, we think they're being influenced into having children as soon as they get into the U.S. to complicate their removal."

Some lawmakers want to begin denying citizenship to babies born to illegal immigrants.

Birthright citizenship, as it is known, has been in force since the approval of the Constitution's 14th Amendment in 1868. But several bills under consideration in Congress would abolish the longstanding federal policy. Sponsors include U.S. Reps. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson, and Nathan Deal, R-Ga.

In a largely symbolic move, the Michigan House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Sept. 8 to end birthright citizenship.

Undocumented immigrants say they are being attacked unfairly and think that all children born in the U.S. should have equal rights.

Socorro Gonzalez, an undocumented immigrant who in August gave birth to her fourth child on U.S. soil, said she and her husband aren't trying to take advantage of immigration laws or abuse the health care system.

''We're not here to have a child. We are here to work," she said as she cradled her infant son, Orlando Soto.

Gonzalez, 42, said she moved to South Texas four years ago to join her husband, a cabinet maker. Two of their older children were born at a private midwife's clinic, she said, and two were delivered at taxpayer expense at hospitals in McAllen.

Gonzalez said the benefits of undocumented immigrants' labor in the U.S. more than compensate for the costs of their medical bills.

''I don't see why they should deny a medical service if we're here struggling for this country," she said. ''Because of the help of Mexican workers, whether they want us or not, this country is progressing."

Still, someone has to pay the bills, and not everyone is happy about that.

Uncollected medical bills Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends on Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, chief financial officer Rafael Olivarez said. Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said.

To make up for the shortfall, Starr County's hospital district is proposing a 25 percent tax hike.

Already, the U.S. government is pitching in, setting aside $1 billion in Medicaid funds to pay for emergency care received by undocumented migrants over the next four years.

But Olivarez said getting the reimbursements isn't easy. Federal officials ''told us at a meeting they would pay us about 20 cents on the dollar," he said. "But it's better than nothing."

No one knows for sure how many undocumented immigrants there are or what they cost the health care system. Most hospitals don't ask whether patients have papers.

Total cost unknown

''It puts them in the position of being border police," said Amanda Engler, a spokeswoman for the Texas Hospital Association in Austin.

Harris County Hospital District officials say their policy is not to question patients directly about their citizenship.

''We do not explicitly ask if our patients are illegal, but we do ask them for proof of Harris County residency," district spokeswoman Shannon Rasp said. "Often citizenship status becomes clearer when billing issues come up."

Eighty-three percent of the undocumented immigrants receiving in-patient care at the district's hospitals and clinics last year were from Mexico, officials said. Six percent were from El Salvador or Guatemala. And the remaining 11 percent were from such countries as Britain, Canada, Haiti, India, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria and Vietnam.

''Using anecdotal information provided us by our staff, statistics from other public hospital systems and our patient demographics, we believe that approximately 70 to 80 percent of our obstetrics patients are undocumented," Rasp said.

In all, 57,072 patients visited the district's hospitals, clinics and health centers last year, and nearly a fifth were undocumented, Rasp said. The cost of their treatment was $97.3 million, up from $55 million in 2002.

Hi Worried American,

Originally Posted by WorriedAmerican

Yahoo is a LIAR!!!

Gasp! Worried American, how can you post that? Tsk! tsk! How disrespectful - why you're being disrespectful to the Chinese Communists (given that Yahoo is now aligned with Communist China)!

Guess that means, Worried American, that you're being disrespectful to Communist China's factory outlet - Walmart.

Guess we'll be cell mates in the North American Union prison system.

That "Border baby" article above just blows my mind. I can't believe the attitude these illegal mothers have. They really believe we owe them something. This is the mentality of a group of people that our government is trying to shove down our throats, telling us we have to put up with it whether we like it or not.

What nonsense! More propaganda to force American citizens to accept illegal aliens. NO WAY!!!

Illegal Immigrants not US health care burden: study

THAT STUDY WAS DONE OVER THE PHONE BACK IN 2003.

Just look at the situation all over the country. Hospitals are closing and going bankrupt. Emergency rooms are full of illegal immigrants using doctors, nurses, and other hospital personnel with petty things from coughs to hangnails. AND THEY ARE SPREADING MRSA JUST BY HANGING AROUND THESE FACILITIES.

WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS IS A "FAKE" STUDY, OR IT IS FULL OF LIARS!