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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: America's employers finally speak out for sound immigration Reply with quote

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America's employers finally speak out for sound immigration policy


Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

The failure to pass a comprehensive immigration reform package last year was a bad piece of business. It left more than 12 million illegal workers in limbo; continued a ludicrous visa system that leaves out low-skilled workers; and showed that a noisy minority could drown out the majority of Americans, who consistently backed the reform bill's main goals.

But there was one heartening revelation: Individual voters really can trump those behind-the-scenes lobbyists. It's now time for the majority of voter voices to be heard.

Employers across the country are finally coalescing to publicly support comprehensive immigration reform. The movement aims to inform and motivate the grass roots, where people's views of immigration too often are shaped by commentators such as Lou Dobbs. By speaking out, businesses also prove they're committed to working within the system: hiring legal workers, paying taxes and minimum wage, and treating all employees fairly.

Houston is at the movement's forefront, with good reason. Our economy depends on the estimated 10 percent of our work force, about 250,000 workers, who are undocumented immigrants. Forcing these workers to continue their lives as an exploited shadow-class keeps them from participating and contributing — and assimilating — as they ought to. It harms the whole community.

Plans to smoke these workers out of their jobs would hurt Houston even more. About three-fourths of undocumented workers pay Social Security taxes (but never claim the benefits). Using Social Security rolls to oust workers with account discrepancies — as a recent federal rule aims to do — could accidentally oust as many as 18 million legal workers whose accounts also contain misspellings and other errors.

But the greatest harm would be to the city's economy. "The consequences of removing one of 10 workers would ... take us down to our knees," Jeff Moseley, president of the Greater Houston Partnership, told the Chronicle.

So chilling is this prospect that the historically conservative Partnership is investing $20 million (from private donors) in the nonprofit "Americans for Immigration Reform."

The strategy: Inspire previously silent employers to communicate with lawmakers. The goal: a national, comprehensive reform that ensures border security — as well as a way for responsible businesses to employ low-skilled foreign workers.

Right now, no way exists. The idea that there's a "line" for these workers to wait is, bluntly, a lie. Only 5,000 such visas are available annually. Yet every year as many as 500,000 workers and their families arrive without documents — and almost all of the adult males find jobs.

Businesses, trades and large corporations are finally speaking up about this reality. Many say they were caught off guard last year, when a hailstorm of constituent e-mails and letters capsized a promising immigration compromise in a few days. Employers were also fearful of attracting raids: Some 70 percent of agricultural workers and more than 30 percent of construction employees lack work papers.

Now the business community is organizing to speak out. In San Antonio, many businesses are linking with Mexican-Americans Thinking Together, Matt.org, a public relations and lobbying campaign that is spending at least $25 million on grass-roots appeals to voters.

Nationally, the nonprofit ImmigrationWorksUSA is building a federation of about 20 state-based immigration-reform coalitions. The federation wants to strengthen these groups at the grass-roots level, encourage them to join local immigration law battles, and make their voices heard in Congress.

Even in Arizona, home to some of the country's most extreme immigration laws, a backlash has developed in the form of the nonprofit Employers for Immigration Reform. The group has a ready pool of supporters. The Arizona Legislature is trying to neutralize economic effects from its own harsh employer-sanction laws with a state-level guest-worker program. That, of course, was one of the features of comprehensive immigration reform.

Here's how one restaurant chain owner — who suspended new projects in Arizona — put it to The Washington Post: "If we become a risky or a more costly place of doing business than the other 49 states, which today we are, we will become a declining economy in perpetuity."

The workplace, the community and democracy all work best when participants state their interests and share their ideas. So far, American businesses have been too silent about their labor needs. It's overdue for them to contribute to an immigration policy based on economic health, not hype.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/5771427.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost threw up after the first sentence ....
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The failure to pass a comprehensive immigration reform package last year was a bad piece of business. It left more than 12 million illegal workers in limbo; continued a ludicrous visa system that leaves out low-skilled workers; and showed that a noisy minority could drown out the majority of Americans, who consistently backed the reform bill's main goals.


American's answered the comprehensive immigration reform package and the answer was NO. Accept it...the answer will always be no.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another solution to the criminals in business that refuse to abide by the laws of this nation is to find another one that suits their needs better!

Maybe they can meet their illegal labor half way or just go whole hog and go all the way to where the labor is.

I'm tired of having to pay their medical and other social services.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a lot of fear mongering and speculation in that article.

Many of their statements are based on the previous existing economy, and because it is currently declining and will not be needing a bunch of illegal aliens competing with Americans for jobs, cheep housing, inexpensive resources... the basics needs that we must have in a slow economy.

Americans Firtst!

The people at the top of these companies that are getting fat off of illegal aliens are going to resist having to share the wealth within the company. They are not going to want to cut into their wages or their profits to pay a prevailing wage.

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About three-fourths of undocumented workers pay Social Security taxes (but never claim the benefits).
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10 percent of our work force, about 250,000 workers, who are undocumented immigrants.


Realize this, using the above numbers, aproximately 187,500 fake and stolen Social Security numbers are being used in the Houston area.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Houston made there own problem by turning their collectives backs on American workers , low skilled or other wise .
When an American reads this type of PC propaganda , one thing bears a thought . The pure Greed hiding behind large uncaring words mean to void the mind of loyalty to America . Example and a good one . Our meat packaging plants once paid a very livable wage so did the huge chicken plants. Yet neither meat nor poultry where very expensive less you had to have the best cuts !! Point is , good wages good products Americans where employed . Now Illegals do the same jobs for a dime on a dollar . The company laughs all the way to the bank with a professional writer in tow .
Will i or can i feel anything for an Illegal or a city like Houston ? NO ..to many Billionaires in this country now and most have never sweated in their lives .
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The failure to pass a comprehensive immigration reform package last year was a bad piece of business. It left more than 12 million illegal workers in limbo; continued a ludicrous visa system that leaves out low-skilled workers; and showed that a noisy minority could drown out the majority of Americans, who consistently backed the reform bill's main goals.

But there was one heartening revelation: Individual voters really can trump those behind-the-scenes lobbyists. It's now time for the majority of voter voices to be heard.


1. We don't want or need low-skilled workers, so the visa system works fine as it is.

2. The MAJORITY always wins and since the every shamnesty bill was defeated last year and will be this year, the MAJORITY has been heard from and you will hear from even more of us this year.

3. The lobbyists are LaRaza, churches and COC/businesses. WE the PEOPLE are the grassroots VOTERS who have shot down every shamnesty bill last year and forever more!

4. START PACKING and don't let the door hit ya backside on the way out!
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Americans do not want immigration reform, AKA amnesty! We want immigration enforcement! The majority has already spoken on this issue so get over it! Those 12 million illegal workers who have been left in "limbo" can go back to wherever they came from.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"But the greatest harm would be to the city's economy. "The consequences of removing one of 10 workers would ... take us down to our knees," Jeff Moseley, president of the Greater Houston Partnership, told the Chronicle"

Am I supposed to feel sorry that Houston employers were stupid enough to break the law??!!!! You made your bed, no lay in it!
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the unemployment rate in Houston is at, or about 10%, it is entirely possible there would be no ill effects at all - possibly only a net plus all the way around. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

StokeyBob wrote:
Another solution to the criminals in business that refuse to abide by the laws of this nation is to find another one that suits their needs better!

Maybe they can meet their illegal labor half way or just go whole hog and go all the way to where the labor is.

I'm tired of having to pay their medical and other social services.


I know. I am most concerned with public school system. Your children and grandchildren suffers...Not to mention free school lunch or free education, but they dumb down our children. Teachers are not allowed to have a separate classes for students who can't speak English or slow in learning. I know this thread is about the companies hire illegal aliens, but if our local government like public education systems do not follow the law, how can government entity like ICE punish private sectors when they can't even keep their branches from following the law? Is that make any sense to you? I am getting headache just thinking about it.

I know there are people who are afraid to speak out because they are afraid of loosing their job.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no justification for the statement here that "Some 70 percent of agricultural workers...lack work papers". Under our current H-2A "Temporary Worker Program for Agriculture", U.S. agricultural employers can bring in an UNLIMITED number of workers legally each year. Under this legal program, the rights of these workers to fair pay and benefits while they are working temporarily in our country also are protected.

When agricultural interest complain that there are no more available farm workers "because of their fear of ICE raids", they refer to illegal workers whom they can pay lower wages, often in cash, without providing any benefits, thus "exploiting" both the workers and our country at the same time for their own gain.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here's how one restaurant chain owner — who suspended new projects in Arizona — put it to The Washington Post: "If we become a risky or a more costly place of doing business than the other 49 states, which today we are, we will become a declining economy in perpetuity."



This is more of the bilingual ecconomy speak.

The more they have changed over to their illegal labor the worse my ecconomy has gotten.

The criminals in business and the Revolutionaries in the government sure do take pride in their own special little ecconomy.

This is a world wide problem now that is about to bust wide open. Just when the New World Order crowd had the world under their thumb people are waking up all over the place. I hear some are taking about pulling out of the Euro and going back to the Lira or something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of Americans reject amnesty, and favor attrition/enforcement of laws. Valid polls reveal this, despite what this weak editorial claims.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's called Bribe Money.

Pay the lobbyist to make sure the businesses don't lose their cheap labor, just another way to hold another group hostage to their demands while nothing gets done.
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