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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned
Please let us talk - no flames, please! The evidence against Barack Obama II's natural born citizenship is probably (almost) all true. But, so what?
"What is truth?" - Pontius Pilate, condemning Jesus to be crucified.
On Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court is to decide whether to hear Phil Berg's case. Only one or two percent of appeals to SCOTUS are heard, many because of a constitutional question. The question here is about who, if anyone, is empowered to investigate and enforce the qualification clause in Article II, Section I.
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
The last word: illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject:
I really think that the powers that be will let obama do whatever he wants, truth or not! _________________ Work Harder Millions on Welfare Depend on You!
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: Researchers are convinced all is not as advertised.
Except for the diehard kool-aid merchants, most people who have read the extensive documentation on this are convinced that Sen. Obama et al are hiding something very damaging. He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School - indeed, any record that might have required the original long form "vault copy" of his birth certificate.
A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama's sealed birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii.
Lawsuits in Washington, Georgia, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio have sought or are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states' Secretaries of State, as the chief state elections officers, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.
These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to state and federal authorities. If he will not do so voluntarily, he must be compelled by every means available. We The People beseech you, the reader, to make every effort in your power, both public and private, to resolve this fundamental Constitutional question.
What about a subpoena from the DOJ, the FEC, the State Dept., the CIA, or the FBI to Hawaii Vital Statistics to produce the long form birth certificate for examination by counterfeiting experts? How hard is that? Does it take a Supreme Court decision to determine probable cause?
Some laugh off this case, calling it a "rumor" or a "conspiracy theory."
But have you given this case a thorough look-see?
1. Mama Sarah, Sen. Obama's father's step-mother - since hustled from public view and under armed guard - has reportedly stated that she witnessed Barack Obama II's birth at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. His half-sister and half-brother likewise said that he was born in Kenya.
3. Hawaii Gov. Lingle (R) has sealed the record of the original birth certificate in Hawaii, and a paper copy with an embossed state of Hawaii stamp and signature on the back is not being made available. Kenyan officials have likewise sealed any such record of birth there. Without stating whether birth records exist or not, Kenyan authorities claim birth records in Kenya for Barack Obama II are classified and top secret. (But a check of the airline manifests from Kenya to Honolulu shortly before and after 8/4/61 could clear up where his mother was on that date.)
4. The supposed "birth certificate" was posted by Daily Kos, hardly an unbiased, nonpartisan site.
LOOK!! =>http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg<= LOOK!!
This image has a grainy state seal and a blurred security border with 3½ x 3½ cross-hatching, which is totally different from the crisp, simple 5 x 5 cross-hatching on other Hawaii birth certificates printed since 2006. It lacks the reversed embossing and bleed-through signature from the back, common to older copies of Hawaii birth certificates, although that may be the norm for certificates printed since 2006. In any case, every Hawaii birth certificate is folded and placed in an envelope, and this image lacks the two creases.
5. The Daily Kos image lists the race of Sen. Obama's father as "African", not "Negro" (or "Colored" or "Arab"), as was the standard wording in 1961. Using the word "African" here was malapropos, unseasonable, out of time. "African" is no more a race than "American" is a race.
6. The Daily Kos image is of a "certification of live birth" - an abbreviated extract from the Hawaii long form "certificate of live birth," which lists the hospital, the signature of the delivering OB-GYN, mother's age, birthplace, occupation, last date worked, (plus blood type, length, weight, color of eyes, color of hair, foot print, hand print... no, none of those). Compare the 2007 certificate of live birth for Barack Hussein Obama II, born in 1961, with the long form birth certificate for an "Alan" in 1963. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SQLJZbuSVXI/AAAAAAAABKM/9B2p--yZzDw/s1600-h/Obama+COLB.jpg
7. Dr. Jerome Corsi was detained and deported from Kenya just before a news conference in which he was to present the evidence, and possibly witnesses. Believe him, not Daily Kos or Fight the Smears or the Annenberg FactCheck site.
8. Sen. Obama ignored a Sept. 15th court order to produce the paper birth certificate. After 30 days, by default under law, he thereby admitted that the plaintiff was correct in stating that he lacks proof of natural birth in the U.S.. But later, the judge dismissed the case, not for lack of evidence, not for lack of cause, not for lack of reasonable logic, but for lack of standing - that no mere citizen suffers damage by the alleged misrepresentation of citizenship!
9. There is evidence that Lolo Soetoro's adopted son, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama II, is still an Indonesian citizen. Barry Soetoro traveled to Pakistan at age 20, presumably on an Indonesian passport, because visiting Pakistan was probably discouraged for Americans - was the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a proscribed nation or a "nation of concern" in 1981? He has not presented the request for reinstatement of U.S. citizenship after his 18th birthday, required of expatriates adopted by non-Americans.
10. If he really was born in Honolulu, why doesn't he just show a Hawaii Dept. of Health-embossed, hospital-certified, paper "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate and make this all go away?
But if the FEC, the DOJ, and the FBI refuse to investigate, the State Dept. refuses to validate his U.S. passport application documents, the Hawaii and Kenya bureaus of vital statistics both refuse to come forward with the original "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate, the state courts refuse to exercise jurisdiction, and the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, is denied standing to bring a court case, who then can bring this counterfeit messiah to answer for this?
Once again, there is not even the remotest possibility that the short form printed in June, 2007, and exhibited by Daily Kos might be genuine. Genuine Hawaii Certifications of Live Birth from 2006-2008 have a crisp 5 x 5 cross-hatch that is continuous on each side, without cut-and-paste repeats; and the state seal is without grain down to the individual dots of the laser printer at the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics. On the Democrats' Exhibit A at Daily Kos, the security border or frame is a blurred 3½ x 3½ cross-hatch that restarts after 240 pixels; and like any photocopy under a magnifying glass, the Hawaii state seal has grain. That much counterfeiting is obvious even to a casual observer.
You can do your duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Or you can just ignore all this evidence and blame it on God.
As important as it is to resolve the issue of Obama's natural born status, I think the general issue of Berg's appeal, that is "who has the standing to bring such questions before the court", is even more important from a constitutional viewpoint. Obama is one person in one race at one point in time. But I resent the general rule that no citizen has the right to bring a challenge to any future candidate's eligibility because we lack standing.
This dog is barking and needs to get louder. We need the media talking about this issue. If they dont, then we need to do it ourselves. _________________ Buy American
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject:
jp_48504 wrote:
This dog is barking and needs to get louder. We need the media talking about this issue. If they dont, then we need to do it ourselves.
They won't do it, jp. The media didn't talk about illegal immigration, they sure the heck won't talk about the President-Elect's birth cert. _________________ Hey, it doesn't really matter to me, baby, everyone has got to fight to be free. You don't have to live like a refugee!--Tom Petty
Well, I am totally convinced that there is something on that birth certificate that he doesn't want anyone to see. And also on all his other records. If there was nothing there, he wouldn't be hiding it.
The ACS Unit is open 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. [GMT-3] Monday through Friday,
and 1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. [GMT-3] Monday through Thursday.
(To Call From the United States To Nairobi, Kenya
you have to dial 011 + 254 + 2 + the local number.)
In Kenya, you may contact ACS by telephone 375 3704 or fax 363 6410.
E-mail Address: kenya_acs@state.gov
CALL 011 254 2 375 3704
and request a report of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961.
Consular Section
U.S. Embassy
P. O. Box 606
Village Market 00621
Kenya
Consular Section
American Embassy Nairobi
U.S. Department of State
Washington, DC 20521-8900 _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
Here is a definitive explanation of the legal issues involved when
a person who is not a natural born citizen - a poseur, a usurper, a fraud -
stands for the office of President of the U.S.. _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
I received word that Berg has affidavits from the Kenyan grandmother and witnesses. Maybe the Dec. 1st hearing will reveal some truth. Hope so....time is running out. We need some answers....and we need them NOW!!!
John Kerry for Sec of State???? I don't think so!!!! The final insult would be if Murtha was appointed Sec of Defense!!! Why he was re-elected to the Senate is beyond me....but then that's what I've been saying about Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy all of these years!!!
Keep us updated..!! _________________ No need for ‘mass roundups’, simply ENFORCE EXISTING law & MANDATE the worker ID, ..but SEVEN amnesties? Hmm, WHO cried wolf?!
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:35 am Post subject:
I must say that this guy sounds like he knows what he is talking about. If indeed Obama is not qualified by the Constitution as eligible to be President of the U.S. and nothing is done to prevent him from taking office, then we as an American people have lost any and all power to influence the governance of our country. I only can hope that someone of sufficient knowledge and power will put this question of citizenship to rest...for the sake of the American people. _________________ ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...
William Barret Travis
Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836
What date? _________________ Patrick Henry
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
..the day attorney Philip Berg was on Dr. Michael Savage’s Show..
..a VERY INFORMATIVE show I might add..!!
It's 2 hours long. MinutemanCDC_SC says to start it at 17:58, I couldn’t forward it to 17minutes, it just goes to the latest day..
..so just let it play, there are no commercials, first hour is the best.. _________________ No need for ‘mass roundups’, simply ENFORCE EXISTING law & MANDATE the worker ID, ..but SEVEN amnesties? Hmm, WHO cried wolf?!
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:
It may be this vista x64 bit, but it dumped me to the main page which starts with the show from yesterday. But I have it now! Thanks! _________________ Patrick Henry
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:
So is the electoral college to blame now as well?!!! They met and gave him the votes?!!! Isn't it their job as well? _________________ Work Harder Millions on Welfare Depend on You!
"If it sounds too good to be true....then it must not be true!" In this case...I hope it's true. Has anyone considered or thought about the outcome of this "if" it is proven to be true??? The whole world who is "in love" with Obama will be in an uproar....and the Democrats will scream foul and demand the Constitution be changed to accommodate him (I can hear it now)!! Just think of the rantings and ravings that will follow!! The Democrats and Obama media are going to keep a lid on this as long as they can. As far as they're concerned....this problem does not exist!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject:
No, don't change the Constitution. Concede the election, and the majority of the seats in the house and the senate. Not to republicrats either, but to independent constitutionalists. At least we'll get something done for the country in the good. _________________ Patrick Henry
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
Joined: May 16, 2006 Posts: 1758 Location: Getyourassoutahere, Texas
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject:
I reviewed the detailed investigation on the link above about the validity of BO's Birth Certificate. I have concluded that based upon the technical analysis presented that, at the mininum, there should be an investigation at the Federal level. If indeed the COLB is a forgery as is purported and appears to be supported by the evidence, this could be the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people. It makes me sick to think that we even need to have this conversation. Recall the forged document that CBS presented as "authentic" when Bush was running for office. Could this be the second great fraud perpetrated by the Democratic party? _________________ ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...
William Barret Travis
Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836
Joined: Mar 14, 2007 Posts: 1451 Location: Grant Township Mi
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject:
Next to the Federal Reserve, probably. _________________ Patrick Henry
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
What exactly does "natural-born" mean?
Persons born citizens of the United States are considered natural-born. Therefore, a child born of illegal immigrants or born on U.S. soil yet lived his or her life out of the nation could still be President. A naturalized citizen could not
In conclusion...IF he was born in Kenya like some people want to believe it doesnt really matter because his mother is a U.S Citizen therefore Obama is a natural born citizen because he was a citizen when he was born and not Naturalized. Any U.S citizen that has a kid abroad just has to go to their embassy and register their kid and its an automatic citizen, blue passport and all
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