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Joined: Nov 21, 2006 Posts: 8243 Location: DFW, Texas
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
What exactly does "natural-born" mean?
Persons born citizens of the United States are considered natural-born. Therefore, a child born of illegal immigrants or born on U.S. soil yet lived his or her life out of the nation could still be President. A naturalized citizen could not
In conclusion...IF he was born in Kenya like some people want to believe it doesnt really matter because his mother is a U.S Citizen therefore Obama is a natural born citizen because he was a citizen when he was born and not Naturalized. Any U.S citizen that has a kid abroad just has to go to their embassy and register their kid and its an automatic citizen, blue passport and all
if this is the case. where is the registration and passport?
the laws have been change since 61 when someone born outside the US can be considered a citizen is IF BOTH parents are military and serving abroad...
and there is that little part of the article of US citizenship that says the adult american with a child is not considered a US Citizen if they are not over 16 and have been over that age for five years. and his momma wa sonly 18 at birth _________________ How's that "hope and change" working for you now?
The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
being in the military is one of exceptions as there are many others not a requirement.
And anyway..none of this matters.. he was born in HAWAII!! this started as an email rumor and too many people have fallen into it. This is why we have snopes people! he has provided a birth certificate but thats just not enough.. it must be false huh? even if its never proven otherwise you will never believe it.. what is it going to take? it must be true cause it was on the internet i guess
Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:
"The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli.
Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).
It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth. "
And really lets just put this to rest.. u dont have to believe me. how about believing people that have seen it themselves?? not just some bloggers that have nothing better to do than start some conspiracy theories
Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:
"The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli.
Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).
It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth. "
You obviously have not been following this case very closely. Too much of what you're saying is false.
Yes, it's true if one of the parents is a US citizenship and the child is born in a foreign country, the child is automatically a US citizen IF at least one parent has lived in the US for 14 years, 5 of them over the age of 21. She had Obama at age 18. So if she did have him in Kenya (I believe it's very possible) he would have had to become naturalized. And it's quite possible that his Hawaiian BC reflects that. This would nullify any eligibility to become president.
You argue the point the it doesn't matter where he was born and yet you put the factcheck.org link of his BC stating he was born in Hawaii. So if he WAS born in Kenya, that proves he posted a phony record online. Are you okay with that? There are a lot of issues with the BC he posted, which is why there are lawsuits requesting to see the vault version (COLB). What is so difficult about that? Why doesn't he just obtain a copy and give it to the press. It would resolve this and put a lot of people's concerns to rest.
The health dept in Hawaii claims to have verified the document exists, not sure how that came to be since one is supposed to only be allowed to view it if they are a blood relative or the person who bears it's name. But regardless, she never said that the COLB stated he was born in Hawaii. We don't know what is on that record.
Until this is settled I will suspect that he is ineligible.
Hopefully the supreme court will hear this case or force the lower court to do so since it was thrown out based on the inability for a citizen to question the eligibilty of a candidate, which is wrong IMO. The case was not thrown out based on merit.
you say what i say is false i think youre mistaken. i belive he was born in Hawaii.. i put all the other stuff for all the believers that still believe he wasnt. he was born in Hawaii which is USA and hes a citizen. the case has ZERO merits and it will never get anywhere. McCain's citizenship was also questioned at some point. he has provided his birth certificate and if people want to believe then good.. if they dont then too bad for them. we can argue till we're blue in the face but its not going to change anything. The USA considers him a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN cause he was born here. He's the president elect and no one can change that, people will just have to deal with that for the next 4 or 8 years.
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 5786 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
you say what i say is false i think youre mistaken. i belive he was born in Hawaii..
We don't care what you "believe", we want hard proof and a Supreme Court decision one way or the other. Until you are Chief Justice, your opinion is worth nothing.
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 5786 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Umm, that law was updated and clarified in I think 1932. Also notice the older laws says "citizens", meaning born to two US Citizens, which Obama was not.
There are too many items that don't add up in this case. If any or all of Berg's accusations are true...then we need to know it and correct it....no matter the consequences. Allowing anyone who is not legally eligible to remain in a position this important....is placing our country and its laws on the same level of a third-world county. Have we already degressed that low???
My daughter was born to U.S. citizen parents in the military in an American-run hospital in Germany and was considered a citizen of the U.S. As soon as we returned to the states...we obtained a U.S. citizenship birth certificate for her so there would be no questions as to her legal status in later years. Little did we now at the time how important that piece of paper would be. Even though she has no plans of running for any office that requires U.S. citizenship.....with so many illegal aliens entering the country with fake ID or no ID....she will certainly not be questioned on her legality. She has LEGAL PROOF!!!
Whether McCain's parents obtained a state-side birth certificate or not....John McCain is a U.S. citizen by way of his father being in the U.S. military and his mother a legal U.S. citizen...no matter where he was born!!
I suggest any U.S. citizen born outside of the states obtain a U.S. birth certificate. If your original BC has any incorrect or insufficient information on it....have it corrected ASAP. You will have to provide proof for the corrections...but you will be glad you did. (Did you know that anyone can get a BC on the internet???) With so many illegal aliens entering the country from all foreign countries....you never know when you might need to provide CORRECT and LEGAL PROOF!!
Joined: Jun 28, 2006 Posts: 7125 Location: New Jersey
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:
Obama and our coming constitutional crisis
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Posted: November 08, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
I was in the delivery room in [Mombosa,] Kenya, when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.
~ Obama's paternal grandmother
Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution.
~ Philip Berg, petitioner – Philip J. Berg v. Barack Obama, et al. (2008)
As President-elect Barack Obama ascends to the presidency of the United States, there still remains a looming cloud above his head like the sword of Damocles. If and when that sword will fall plunging America into a constitutional crisis depends on a number of desperate and remarkable variables.
Before I get into these variables, let's examine what the Constitution says. What are the requirements to become president? Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution states that a president must:
be a natural born citizen of the United States;
be at least 35 years old;
have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years.
The inevitable constitutional crisis regarding Obama, of course, revolves around his inability (or unwillingness) to produce an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate with the raised certificate stamp that the Federal Elections Commission can independently verify.
I know there are those who say Obama has produced an authentic birth certificate and posted it on his website, but experts and amateurs alike quickly found numerous errors in that document and deemed it a forgery (and a bad one at that).
Philip J. Berg, a Democratic operative and former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, has assumed the tragic role of Prometheus, ascended Mount Olympus, the abode of Zeus, and has launched a one-man campaign to force Obama to verify his U.S. citizenship by suing the senator, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, to verify that indeed he is worthy to be president of the United States by producing a real birth certificate.
(Column continues below)
Here are some of the unanswered issues hanging over the head of President-elect Barack Obama and the question of his American citizenship cited in an earlier article by WND news editor Drew Zahn:
The allegation that Obama was born in Kenya to parents unable to automatically grant him American citizenship;
The allegation that Obama was made a citizen of Indonesia as a child and that he retained foreign citizenship into adulthood without recording an oath of allegiance to regain any theoretical American citizenship;
The allegation that Obama's birth certificate was a forgery and that he may not be an eligible, natural-born citizen;
The allegation that Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child; that Obama may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries. If any, much less all, of these allegations are true, the suit claims, Obama cannot constitutionally serve as president.
The allegations that "Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states."Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."
The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public;
Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.
Unfortunately, just 10 days before the election, a court of appeals judge threw out Berg's lawsuit challenging the veracity of Obama's U.S. citizenship status on technical grounds. Judge R. Barclay Surrick, a Jimmy Carter-appointed judge, amazingly (and with a tinge of irony), stated his opinion in part:
In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.
Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.
"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."
Judge Surrick, quoting from Hollander, concludes, "The alleged harm to voters stemming from a presidential candidate's failure to satisfy the eligibility requirements of the Natural Born Citizen Clause is not concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury."
Surrick also quotes Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife, which stated, in part, "The Supreme Court has consistently held that a plaintiff raising only a generally available grievance about government – claiming only harm to his and every citizen's interest in proper application of the Constitution and laws, and seeking relief that no more directly and tangibly benefits him than it does the public at large – does not state an Article III case or controversy."
Constitutionally speaking, Judge Surrick's reasoning is completely illogical and a total dereliction of his duty as a judge to substantively address this most vital constitutional controversy. Instead, in a gutless manner, Surrick dismissed Berg's complaint 10 days before the elections on a technicality of standing, which to any rational person begs the question: If Philip J. Berg as an American citizen, a respected Democratic operative and former attorney general of Pennsylvania doesn't have the "standing" to bring this type of lawsuit against Obama, then who in America does have standing? The good judge in all 34 pages of legal mumbo jumbo didn't bother to answer this pivotal question.
That Berg's complaint is not "concrete or particularized enough to constitute an injury" is an amazing admission by any person that went to law school and even more so given the fact that Surrick is a respected appellate judge!
I am somewhat hopeful that Berg will successfully appeal Surrick's outrageous decision to 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court if necessary, even if technically he doesn't have standing to hold Obama accountable to the Constitution. Why? Because this is America, and out of 300 million people, someone should give a damn enough about this republic to make sure the person who holds the highest elected office in the land holds it legitimately based on the black letter text of Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.
Unless and until Obama's citizenship question is definitively put to rest, then the proverbial sword of Damocles will continue to dangle precariously over his head and America will face 50 lawsuits from all 50 states demanding that President Barack Obama prove that he is an authentic American citizen according to the U.S. Constitution.
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Don't just sit there, DO THIS!
See the handwriting on the wall and ACT. TIME IS SHORT.
Write the Sec. of State of your state. Ask for the names and mailing addresses of your state electors. Send your request certified, return receipt required, and KEEP the receipt for a legal trail.
Write each of the electors, certified, return receipt required. Send them hard copy of the relevant posts, including the links, on this thread at http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-137238-.html . Ask politely that they take the time to examine the FACTS which Democrats are attempting to bury or cover up with a smoke screen.
(Some of the posts are disinformation from Daily Kos and the Annenberg's FactCheck site. Those claims have been authoritatively debunked elsewhere many times. There is no value in debunking them again here. That would only obscure the discussion with static and tangents. Keep your eyes on the goal, and stay the course.)
If at least ONE ELECTOR stands up to the chairman on Dec. 15 and demands verification that the candidate meets the Constitutional qualifications, that can open an official U.S. State Dept. investigation into the vault birth certificate at the Hawaii Dept. of Health, Div. of Vital Statistics. It can also bring to light the passport records at the U.S. State Dept., which should have a record of his oath of allegiance to the U.S. instead of Indonesia after his 18th birthday.
At least ONE ELECTOR (or five Supreme Court justices) must demand discovery of Sen. Obama's birth and passport records. Otherwise, his coverup of his vault birth certificate, along with his medical records, his passport applications, his admission and financial aid records at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School, and any other application (such as Little League baseball) which required his original birth certificate -- his coverup will thwart the Constitution of the United States of America. _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
Joined: Nov 21, 2006 Posts: 8243 Location: DFW, Texas
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
And really lets just put this to rest.. u dont have to believe me. how about believing people that have seen it themselves?? not just some bloggers that have nothing better to do than start some conspiracy theories
...if one of the parents is a US citizen and the child is born in a foreign country, the child is automatically a US citizen IF at least one parent has lived in the US for 14 years, 5 of them over the age of 21. She had Obama at age 18.
Actually, from 1952 until 1986, the law read, "5 years after the age of 14," which rules out 18-year-old Stanley Ann Dunham Obama. Since 1986, the law reads, "2 years after the age of 14." But that is not retroactive; retroactivity only applies to the proviso about military and government employees.
Lynne wrote:
The health dept in Hawaii claims to have verified the document exists, not sure how that came to be since one is supposed to only be allowed to view it if they are a blood relative or the person who bears it's name. But regardless, she never said that the COLB stated he was born in Hawaii.
The "Certification of Live Birth" - the short form which has been shown to be a forgery - states that he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. But the "Certificate of Live Birth" - the long form with the name of the hospital and the attending physician - is sealed. We don't know what city and country of origin may be written in box 7(C), or what other damaging information may be on that vault copy. But Pres.-elect Obama knows, and he is hiding something.
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Researchers are convinced all is not as advertised.
MinutemanCDC_SC wrote:
Except for the diehard kool-aid merchants, most people who have read the extensive documentation on this are convinced that Sen. Obama et al are hiding something very damaging. He has sealed not only his long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, but his medical records, his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School - indeed, any record that might have required the original long form "vault copy" of his birth certificate.
A lawsuit in Honolulu in the First District Court is seeking a court-order to open Obama's sealed birth records. Obama has thus far neglected a Freedom of Information request for the records at two hospitals in Hawaii.
Lawsuits in Washington, Georgia, California, Florida, Pennsylvania, New York, Connecticut, and Ohio have sought or are seeking state Superior Courts to force the states' Secretaries of State, as the chief state elections officers, to perform their state constitutional duties to require original certifying birth records from Mr. Obama that would verify his birth in Hawaii.
These allegations will not go away until Mr. Obama produces proof to state and federal authorities. If he will not do so voluntarily, he must be compelled by every means available. We The People beseech you, the reader, to make every effort in your power, both public and private, to resolve this fundamental Constitutional question.
What about a subpoena from the DOJ, the FEC, the State Dept., the CIA, or the FBI to Hawaii Vital Statistics to produce the long form birth certificate for examination by counterfeiting experts? How hard is that? Does it take a Supreme Court decision to determine probable cause?
Some laugh off this case, calling it a "rumor" or a "conspiracy theory."
But have you given this case a thorough look-see?
1. Mama Sarah, Sen. Obama's father's step-mother - since hustled from public view and under armed guard - has reportedly stated that she witnessed Barack Obama II's birth at Coast Provincial General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. His half-sister and half-brother likewise said that he was born in Kenya.
3. Hawaii Gov. Lingle (R) has sealed the record of the original birth certificate in Hawaii, and a paper copy with an embossed state of Hawaii stamp and signature on the back is not being made available. Kenyan officials have likewise sealed any such record of birth there. Without stating whether birth records exist or not, Kenyan authorities claim birth records in Kenya for Barack Obama II are classified and top secret. (But a check of the airline manifests from Kenya to Honolulu shortly before and after 8/4/61 could clear up where his mother was on that date.)
4. The supposed "birth certificate" was posted by Daily Kos, hardly an unbiased, nonpartisan site.
LOOK!! =>http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg<= LOOK!!
This image has a grainy state seal and a blurred security border with 3½ x 3½ cross-hatching, which is totally different from the crisp, simple 5 x 5 cross-hatching on other Hawaii birth certificates printed since 2006. It lacks the reversed embossing and bleed-through signature from the back, common to older copies of Hawaii birth certificates, although that may be the norm for certificates printed since 2006. In any case, every Hawaii birth certificate is folded and placed in an envelope, and this image lacks the two creases.
5. The Daily Kos image lists the race of Sen. Obama's father as "African", not "Negro" (or "Colored" or "Arab"), as was the standard wording in 1961. Using the word "African" here was malapropos, unseasonable, out of time. "African" is no more a race than "American" is a race.
6. The Daily Kos image is of a "certification of live birth" - an abbreviated extract from the Hawaii long form "certificate of live birth," which lists the hospital, the signature of the delivering OB-GYN, mother's age, birthplace, occupation, last date worked, (plus blood type, length, weight, color of eyes, color of hair, foot print, hand print... no, none of those). Compare the 2007 certificate of live birth for Barack Hussein Obama II, born in 1961, with the long form birth certificate for an "Alan" in 1963. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SQLJZbuSVXI/AAAAAAAABKM/9B2p--yZzDw/s1600-h/Obama+COLB.jpg
7. Dr. Jerome Corsi was detained and deported from Kenya just before a news conference in which he was to present the evidence, and possibly witnesses. Believe him, not Daily Kos or Fight the Smears or the Annenberg FactCheck site.
8. Sen. Obama ignored a Sept. 15th court order to produce the paper birth certificate. After 30 days, by default under law, he thereby admitted that the plaintiff was correct in stating that he lacks proof of natural birth in the U.S.. But later, the judge dismissed the case, not for lack of evidence, not for lack of cause, not for lack of reasonable logic, but for lack of standing - that no mere citizen suffers damage by the alleged misrepresentation of citizenship!
9. There is evidence that Lolo Soetoro's adopted son, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama II, is still an Indonesian citizen. Barry Soetoro traveled to Pakistan at age 20, presumably on an Indonesian passport, because visiting Pakistan was probably discouraged for Americans - was the Islamic Republic of Pakistan a proscribed nation or a "nation of concern" in 1981? He has not presented the request for reinstatement of U.S. citizenship after his 18th birthday, required of expatriates adopted by non-Americans.
10. If he really was born in Honolulu, why doesn't he just show a Hawaii Dept. of Health-embossed, hospital-certified, paper "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate and make this all go away?
But if the FEC, the DOJ, and the FBI refuse to investigate, the State Dept. refuses to validate his U.S. passport application documents, the Hawaii and Kenya bureaus of vital statistics both refuse to come forward with the original "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate, the state courts refuse to exercise jurisdiction, and the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, Philip J. Berg, is denied standing to bring a court case, who then can bring this counterfeit messiah to answer for this?
Once again, there is not even the remotest possibility that the short form printed in June, 2007, and exhibited by Daily Kos might be genuine. Genuine Hawaii Certifications of Live Birth from 2006-2008 have a crisp 5 x 5 cross-hatch that is continuous on each side, without cut-and-paste repeats; and the state seal is without grain down to the individual dots of the laser printer at the Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics. On the Democrats' Exhibit A at Daily Kos, the security border or frame is a blurred 3½ x 3½ cross-hatch that restarts after 240 pixels; and like any photocopy under a magnifying glass, the Hawaii state seal has grain. That much counterfeiting is obvious even to a casual observer.
You can do your duty to uphold the Constitution of the United States.
Or you can just ignore all this evidence and blame it on God.
Quote:
...the Most High rules in the kingdom of men,
Gives it to whomever He will,
And sets over it the lowest of men.
- Daniel 4:17b NKJV
Or as the King James Version reads, "the basest of men."
Cases such as this are the very purpose of the Supreme Court. If they will not take this case, and have the documents examined, there is no need for a Supreme Court at all _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:
93camaro wrote:
So is the electoral college to blame now as well?!!! They met and gave him the votes?!!! Isn't it their job as well?
At least 24 members of the electoral college will also be filing a suit as early as Monday _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
I don't know if Mama Sarah, Barack Obama II's step-grandmother, counts as a blood relative. But do you suppose his half-sister or half-brother might be enticed to see Diamond Head and Waikiki Beach?
Not a bad idea. I wonder?
Great idea to write the electors. I know a lot of states have the electors listed on state sites so some may be easier to find than others.
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
What exactly does "natural-born" mean?
Persons born citizens of the United States are considered natural-born. Therefore, a child born of illegal immigrants or born on U.S. soil yet lived his or her life out of the nation could still be President. A naturalized citizen could not
In conclusion...IF he was born in Kenya like some people want to believe it doesnt really matter because his mother is a U.S Citizen therefore Obama is a natural born citizen because he was a citizen when he was born and not Naturalized. Any U.S citizen that has a kid abroad just has to go to their embassy and register their kid and its an automatic citizen, blue passport and all
You seem to be skipping the long threads. At the time of his birth, in order to gain automatic citizenship from his mom, she had to have lived in the US for 10 years, at least 5 of them after the age of 16. She was 18 at the time of his birth, so it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for her to fulfill that requirement. That leaves born on US soil as his only option for natural born citizenship. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
And anyway..none of this matters.. he was born in HAWAII!! this started as an email rumor and too many people have fallen into it. This is why we have snopes people! he has provided a birth certificate but thats just not enough.. it must be false huh? even if its never proven otherwise you will never believe it.. what is it going to take? it must be true cause it was on the internet i guess
Justice Souter is not considering it an email rumor, neither are the members of the electoral college who are in the process of filing a lawsuit. Minuteman gave a pretty good summary of the facts. I actually hope he was born in Hawaii. However, it that was the case, why is he going to such great lengths to hide this information? _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject:
Immigrantgrl wrote:
And really lets just put this to rest.. u dont have to believe me. how about believing people that have seen it themselves?? not just some bloggers that have nothing better to do than start some conspiracy theories
Immigrant girl, we really do not want to tear apart your fairie tale world, but, factcheck.org is owned by the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION. Obama headed up their subsidiary the ANNENBERG PROJECT for years. It is like asking a friend or relative to vouch for you. It is not totally believable. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Now go view your Certification post on factcheck.org - does it look the same? What you are seeing is a certification that he was in fact born. This does not mean he was born in Hawaii only that he was registered there after birth. The registrar in Hawaii has stated that they do have in their possession his original certificate of live birth, but it has not been requested by Obama or any family member. They have not stated that the certification that is posted is real. Only that they have it in their possession. I would really like to see the real deal.
Joined: Jul 28, 2007 Posts: 2442 Location: Henderson, NV.. formally of So Calif
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:
Welcome JCSJCM.....
His REFUSAL to show us this birth certificate has got to make you wonder....what is he hiding???????
I am also wondering if he was a foreign exchange student from Kenya?? Is that why his school records are also sealed _________________ The difference between an immigrant and an illegal alien is the equivalent of the difference between a burglar and a houseguest.
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Thanks for the welcome
I also believe that his school records are sealed because 1) he received foreign aid 2) he registered as an illegal with his Indonesian passport 3) possibilities are endless of what I believe. I would prefer to believe that we know who our president is. I would love to say yay maybe this president will help us get back on track.
Unfortunately with all records being sealed here and in Kenya it makes you wonder.
Also to another poster that stated why don't you just find out from Kenya if his mother was there - someone already tried that and they were deported. Then everything was sealed. If you mention his name you will get shipped out immediately.
I'm so really disappointed at how many people keep referring to that birth certificate on factcheck.org - doesn't anyone know what a long form looks like?
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