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WHY is this VERY important subject being moved from the General Discussion..?
We're talking of the MOST NOTORIOUS illegal alien..
..EVER..!! _________________ No need for ‘mass roundups’, simply ENFORCE EXISTING law & MANDATE the worker ID, ..but SEVEN amnesties? Hmm, WHO cried wolf?!
Last edited by iQuestionEverything on Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:16 am; edited 1 time in total
1. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in a "Foreign Country" and still get a birth certificate----a "Certificate of Live Birth"---from the state
of Hawaii?
2. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in ANOTHER U.S. State and
get a birth certificate from Hawaii?
3. All of the above statements seem weird to me.
4. My point is this: How can a person born in another country or another U.S. state still obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii?
5. It doesn't make sense that a person can be born somewhere else besides Hawaii and yet obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii as if he was born in Hawaii.
1. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in a "Foreign Country" and still get a birth certificate----a "Certificate of Live Birth"---from the state
of Hawaii?
2. Am I seeing things: Can a person be born in ANOTHER U.S. State and
get a birth certificate from Hawaii?
3. All of the above statements seem weird to me.
4. My point is this: How can a person born in another country or another U.S. state still obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii?
5. It doesn't make sense that a person can be born somewhere else besides Hawaii and yet obtain a valid, legal birth certificate from Hawaii as if he was born in Hawaii.
That is an oddity of Hawaii. They have both a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Certification of live Birth". One, simply states a person was born and makes a public record of their existence without making any citizenship claims. The other is more like the other 49 states. It is usually filed by the midwife or hospital that delivered the baby and is indeed proof of citizenship. I have read in many places that the cert on the web is not the citizenship version of the record.
WHY is this VERY important subject being moved from the General Discussion..?
We're talking of THE BIGGEST illegal alien..
..EVER..!!
I Agree 100%
Now most importantly, I would like to say:
WELCOME TO ALIPAC JCSJCM, IT IS GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US!!! _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Registered Birth
mirse,
Yes you can be registered in the United states as being born even if you were born on foreign land. His mother being an American had his birth registered in the state of Hawaii. This does not prove that he was in fact born in Hawaii.
The registrar in Hawaii has confirmed to have the original, but has not stated that what he is showing is factual. No on has requested a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii for Barack which makes me wonder how he received a Certification of live birth record.
I want to see the original long form with hospital and doctor. This will prove to me one way or the other.
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Registered Birth
jcsjcm wrote:
mirse,
Yes you can be registered in the United states as being born even if you were born on foreign land. His mother being an American had his birth registered in the state of Hawaii. This does not prove that he was in fact born in Hawaii.
The registrar in Hawaii has confirmed to have the original, but has not stated that what he is showing is factual. No on has requested a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii for Barack which makes me wonder how he received a Certification of live birth record.
I want to see the original long form with hospital and doctor. This will prove to me one way or the other.
I fully agree with you, I too want to see the documents. I find it strange,and that is a massive understatement, that instead of providing the original cert, Obama hired a lawyer who specializes in RICO and Terrorist defense cases to dance around the issue and avoid handing a mere long form birth certificate to the courts . I find it odd, when in Hawaii, instead of just producing the doc, he takes time out to have the governor seal all his files claiming he was afraid of ID theft of all things. I question why on earth, he would let this get so far as Supreme Court level, when all he has to do is hand over the document, and it appears he will go all the way to the December 1st deadline before handing it over or attempting to maneuver his way out of it again. The only answer I can come up with, is the document will state he is not constitutionally eligible to be president. He may have been hoping to get a good forgery together, but I have heard that Souter is considering asking for the original as opposed to a certified copy. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Joined: May 18, 2007 Posts: 10306 Location: Alipacers Come In All Colors
Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Registered Birth
jcsjcm wrote:
mirse,
Yes you can be registered in the United states as being born even if you were born on foreign land. His mother being an American had his birth registered in the state of Hawaii. This does not prove that he was in fact born in Hawaii.
The registrar in Hawaii has confirmed to have the original, but has not stated that what he is showing is factual. No on has requested a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii for Barack which makes me wonder how he received a Certification of live birth record.
I want to see the original long form with hospital and doctor. This will prove to me one way or the other.
Welcome to Alipac jcsjcm we are glad to have you with us.
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: What if it turns out that he was a citizen all along?
What if it turns out that he was a citizen all along?
It won't.
We have the recorded testimony of Barack Obama II's Kenyan step-grandmother or step-mother, Mama Sarah, on video, on audio, and by transcript. "Barack ñate dhailani." In the Luo dialect of Swahili, that means "Barack born of village," or "Barack native of village." Take your pick.
To corroborate that, we have the testimony of his half-sister and half-brother in Kenya.
We have the facts Dr. Jerome Corsi presented in Obama Nation, which caused the Kenyan government so much consternation that they arrested him before the news conference where he was to present his evidence, and possibly his witnesses. Kenya then deported him and told him not to come back.
We have the expert analysis and testimony of three fraud and counterfeiting consultants. The "Certification of Live Birth" posted by Daily Kos and FactCheck is both Photoshopped, which makes it invalid, and a counterfeit... a very bad counterfeit.
We have the Indonesian school record which listed his nationality as "Indonesian", citizenship which was necessary to have enrolled in school. Obama has not presented any evidence of an oath of allegiance between age 18 and 18½ to reclaim his U.S. citizenship.
We have knowledge of his visit to Pakistan at age 20, possibly to Pashtun territory for a "quail hunt," and probably on his Indonesian passport. That would violate too many laws to list. (Traveling on a U.S. passport would have been problematic, or dangerous, while touring Pakistan, especially north and west Pakistan.)
We have record of his suspicious behavior in sealing his vault long form Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth, presenting a forged short form Certification in its place, and sealing his admission and financial aid records from Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School, his faculty records at the University of Chicago, his medical records, and any other record which might include a copy of his long form Certificate of Live Birth.
We have record of his associations with Syrian convict Tony Rezko, Black Liberation Theology preacher Jeremiah (Wrong) Wright, and high profile Islamists such as former PLO operative Rashid Khalidi. Every notable in Islam except Osama bin Laden has endorsed or celebrated his election as POTUS. Osama must not be feeling well...
We have record of enormous illegal foreign contributions to his campaign, including $200 million which was apparently foreign currency, some being exchanged for dollars in "odd cents" amounts. Major contributors to political campaigns almost always expect major returns on investments. The Saudis are no different. Can you say, "Sharia-compliant finance?"
No, that doesn't mean "no more pork in the Congressional Appropriations bill."
Barack Obama II emerged from the corrupt Chicago political machine with many condemning connections but no identifying labels. No one has examined his Certificate of Live Birth to vet his Constitutional qualifications: not the DNC, not the DOJ, not the FEC, not the State Dept., not the CIA, not the relevant Senate committee, not (fill in the blank).
If he really was born in Honolulu, why does he not just show a Hawaii Dept. of Health-embossed, hospital-certified, paper "vault copy" of the long form birth certificate and make this all go away?
WHY NOT? _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:
MinutemanCDC_SC,
I just hope that SOMEBODY IN POWER unseals the birth cert. WE THE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW. I hope that the numerous reports of 24+ members of the Electoral College that are allegedly insisting on proof of his eligibility before the December vote are not hoaxes. However, with the lengths Obama has gone too to hide his past, I do not think I would trust anything but a verified original that has had the paper and ink tested for date. I think people are working overtime to provide a better forgery to present to us. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Two things I find interesting:
1) Obama stated he will not name any cabinet members this week and
2) Fox business just said he will NOT be attending the G-20 financial summit meeting this week.
Of course it could be nothing, but maybe he knows he will not be able to become president because of this birth certificate issue so feels it is safer not to become too entrenched just yet. ???
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Andy Martin's case before the Hawai'i Supreme Court
Andy Martin vs. Linda Lingle et al
Complaint for Declaratory Judgment
Andy Martin has appealed to the Hawai'i Supreme Court for disclosure of Barack Hussein Obama II's long form vault Certificate of Live Birth. The Motion for Order to Show Cause is on the Hawai’i Supreme Court Minutes for hearing before Judge B. Ayabe on Nov. 18. There is no ruling yet on the petition for dismissal filed by Jill T. Deller Nagamine on Nov. 5.
New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Jack M. Sabatino wrote:
The public interest in an orderly election and the balance of equities, given the imminence of the election (and the printing of millions of ballots and the submission of numerous absentee ballots already), overwhelmingly weigh against appellant's claims for relief.
Finally, we note in passing that similar litigation in the federal courts challenging the respective qualifications for office of McCain and Obama has been uniformly unsuccessful. See, e.c., Berg v. Obama, ___ F. Supp., 2d ___, Civil Action No. 08-4083 2008 WL 4691981 (E.D. Pa. Oct. 24, 2008); Hollander v. McCain, 566 F. Supp., 2d 63, (D.N.H. 2008); See alsoU.S.S.Res. 511, 110th Congress (as passed by Senate, April 10, 2008) (declaring that McCain is a "natural born Citizen" under Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution) (co-sponsored, inter alia, by Senator Obama).
Appellant's motion for leave to appeal the Secretary's alleged inaction is denied and his emergent application is consequently dismissed.
Reasons for dismissal:
The public interest in an orderly election,
(never mind making it valid, legitimate, and Constitutional);
the balance of equities (???);
the imminence of the election,
(after lawyers and the courts have stalled such cases for months);
the printing of millions of ballots;
the submission of numerous absentee ballots;
the uniform lack of success of similar litigation in the federal courts,
(namely, only Berg v. Obama, inasmuch as the failure to disqualify Sen. McCain was valid and justified. By Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court may yet decide to hear Berg v. Obama);
the Senate resolution verifying that Sen. McCain is indeed a natural born citizen,
(as was already the case under 8 USC 12 § 1403, regardless of S. Res. 511);
the vote by Sen. Obama supporting Sen. McCain's natural born citizenship.
Where is any basis in the U.S. Constitution or U.S. law for the above reasons for dismissal?
They are only Judge Sabatino's personal sympathies, not legal opinions.
To recognize the absurdity of his logic, use any of his "opinions" to end the following sentence:
"The Sec. of State must not verify Sen. Obama's 'natural born Citizen' status because of..." _________________ One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.
Unless we enforce laws against illegal aliens today,
tomorrow we may wake up as illegals.
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject:
I can't remember EVER being this angry at our judicial system. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Jack M. Sabatino wrote:
The public interest in an orderly election and the balance of equities, given the imminence of the election (and the printing of millions of ballots and the submission of numerous absentee ballots already), overwhelmingly weigh against appellant's claims for relief.
Finally, we note in passing that similar litigation in the federal courts challenging the respective qualifications for office of McCain and Obama has been uniformly unsuccessful. See, e.c., Berg v. Obama, ___ F. Supp., 2d ___, Civil Action No. 08-4083 2008 WL 4691981 (E.D. Pa. Oct. 24, 2008); Hollander v. McCain, 566 F. Supp., 2d 63, (D.N.H. 2008); See alsoU.S.S.Res. 511, 110th Congress (as passed by Senate, April 10, 2008) (declaring that McCain is a "natural born Citizen" under Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution) (co-sponsored, inter alia, by Senator Obama).
Appellant's motion for leave to appeal the Secretary's alleged inaction is denied and his emergent application is consequently dismissed.
Reasons for dismissal:
The public interest in an orderly election,
(never mind making it valid, legitimate, and Constitutional);
the balance of equities (???);
the imminence of the election,
(after lawyers and the courts have stalled such cases for months);
the printing of millions of ballots;
the submission of numerous absentee ballots;
the uniform lack of success of similar litigation in the federal courts,
(namely, only Berg v. Obama, inasmuch as the failure to disqualify Sen. McCain was valid and justified. By Dec. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court may yet decide to hear Berg v. Obama);
the Senate resolution verifying that Sen. McCain is indeed a natural born citizen,
(as was already the case under 8 USC 12 § 1403, regardless of S. Res. 511);
the vote by Sen. Obama supporting Sen. McCain's natural born citizenship.
Where is any basis in the U.S. Constitution or U.S. law for the above reasons for dismissal?
They are only Judge Sabatino's personal sympathies, not legal opinions.
To recognize the absurdity of his logic, use any of his "opinions" to end the following sentence:
"The Sec. of State must not verify Sen. Obama's 'natural born Citizen' status because of..."
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Obama to run for second term? If he does, he is going to have some serious problems.
Myself, I think Obamas will be a one term president if he doesn't release his Hawaii long form birth certificate in the next four years---the one with the doctor's and birth hospital's names on it.
1. The courts and the public seem to be giving Obama a free ride during this, his first term.
3. Hawaii Birth Certificate: Next time Obama runs for office, however, the public will demand that Obama show his long form Hawaii birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it.
On this Hawaii birth certificate issue, Obama and his devious staff won't be able to stonewall the public in 2012 the way they stonewalled the public in 2008.
4. College Records: The public will also demand that before Obama runs again, he must release his college records.
Again, Obama won't be able to stonewall the public on the college records issue, because with each passing news conference, reporters will put more and more pressure on Obama to release his college records.
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
6. Hopefully, by the time the 2012 presidential campaign rolls around, we won't have a repeat of this 2008 Obama chaos where Obama refuses to show us his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it---but he is still allowed to put his name on the ballot.
7. Why was Obama's name allowed to be placed on the ballot? Because the courts and election officials are so confused that they blame everyone but themselves for this potential constitutional crisis of having a possible presidential candidate on the ballot who is ineligible according to the Constitution of the United States.
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:
mirse wrote:
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Obama to run for second term? If he does, he is going to have some serious problems.
Myself, I think Obamas will be a one term president if he doesn't release his Hawaii long form birth certificate in the next four years---the one with the doctor's and birth hospital's names on it.
1. The courts and the public seem to be giving Obama a free ride during this, his first term.
3. Hawaii Birth Certificate: Next time Obama runs for office, however, the public will demand that Obama show his long form Hawaii birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it.
On this Hawaii birth certificate issue, Obama and his devious staff won't be able to stonewall the public in 2012 the way they stonewalled the public in 2008.
4. College Records: The public will also demand that before Obama runs again, he must release his college records.
Again, Obama won't be able to stonewall the public on the college records issue, because with each passing news conference, reporters will put more and more pressure on Obama to release his college records.
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
6. Hopefully, by the time the 2012 presidential campaign rolls around, we won't have a repeat of this 2008 Obama chaos where Obama refuses to show us his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor's and the hospital's name on it---but he is still allowed to put his name on the ballot.
7. Why was Obama's name allowed to be placed on the ballot? Because the courts and election officials are so confused that they blame everyone but themselves for this potential constitutional crisis of having a possible presidential candidate on the ballot who is ineligible according to the Constitution of the United States.
I disagree, if not now, it never will be revealed. Can you imagine the utter disaster it would be if they waited until after he is sworn in to release this info and he is not a citizen? Everything he signed would have to be voided and nullified. The confusion and chaos would lead to a certain anarchy. No, we will never know the truth if he gets sworn in, the consequences would be too great. As it is, I believe the primary reason for all of the help he is getting covering this up is because he is/was a senator. IF it is proven that he is not a citizen at all, this will mean that they would have to revisit EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION HE VOTED ON. Did his single vote have the weight to decide the triumph or failure of whatever it is he was voting on. With the loss of Obama in the senate, did the Democrats even really have a majority? I am not sure of what affect this would even have on that. Then there is the possible ramifications in the state of Illinois on any legislature he voted on there. This can of worms could be huge and far reaching. I am thinking the powers that be may be deciding for us that it is better to keep the flow of things, even if it means breaking the constitution, than it is to look at the mess the truth being revealed would create. That is MHO. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies. _________________ The flag flies at half-mast out of grief for the death of my beautiful, formerly-free America. May God have mercy on your souls.
RIP USA 7/4/1776 - 11/04/2008
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
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Are you saying that Obama was adopted?
I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents. I was specifically referring to others like myself, who were adopted by foster families through the state-run foster care agencies. I couldn't get my original, birth-parent birth certificate if I wanted to. My records have been sealed by the courts. The only BC I have is with my adoptive parents' names.
I am in no way supporting King Hussein O ... I am simply saying that if someone were to run for a public office, requiring the 'original long form' will be more difficult for foster children who were adopted. With 2 million kids in foster care at any given moment, I believe the situation might arise. I have even considered running for local town council, but this new law would hinder that possibility.
I don't know what the solution would be. _________________ The flag flies at half-mast out of grief for the death of my beautiful, formerly-free America. May God have mercy on your souls.
RIP USA 7/4/1776 - 11/04/2008
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:39 am Post subject:
SeaTurtle wrote:
mirse wrote:
SeaTurtle wrote:
Quote:
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
******
Are you saying that Obama was adopted?
I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents. I was specifically referring to others like myself, who were adopted by foster families through the state-run foster care agencies. I couldn't get my original, birth-parent birth certificate if I wanted to. My records have been sealed by the courts. The only BC I have is with my adoptive parents' names.
I am in no way supporting King Hussein O ... I am simply saying that if someone were to run for a public office, requiring the 'original long form' will be more difficult for foster children who were adopted. With 2 million kids in foster care at any given moment, I believe the situation might arise. I have even considered running for local town council, but this new law would hinder that possibility.
I don't know what the solution would be.
I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office.
I happen to be one of the few who knows their birth parents. While my birth father died in the late 80's, my birth mother lives five minutes away from me. I really think some provision of this type needs to be included. I'm sending it along to Daryl Metcalfe. _________________ The flag flies at half-mast out of grief for the death of my beautiful, formerly-free America. May God have mercy on your souls.
RIP USA 7/4/1776 - 11/04/2008
Joined: May 16, 2006 Posts: 1941 Location: Getyourassoutahere, Texas
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:
[quote="cayla99"]
mirse wrote:
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Cayla, your observations are spot on. Chaos and rioting would ensue if it was disclosed that Obama is not eligible via the constitution to become
President. I don't there there is a snowball's chance in hell that the truth would be exposed AFTER he took the oath of office. It is terrifying to think that the truth would be forever covered up.
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I disagree, if not now, it never will be revealed. Can you imagine the utter disaster it would be if they waited until after he is sworn in to release this info and he is not a citizen? Everything he signed would have to be voided and nullified. The confusion and chaos would lead to a certain anarchy. No, we will never know the truth if he gets sworn in, the consequences would be too great. As it is, I believe the primary reason for all of the help he is getting covering this up is because he is/was a senator. IF it is proven that he is not a citizen at all, this will mean that they would have to revisit EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION HE VOTED ON. Did his single vote have the weight to decide the triumph or failure of whatever it is he was voting on. With the loss of Obama in the senate, did the Democrats even really have a majority? I am not sure of what affect this would even have on that. Then there is the possible ramifications in the state of Illinois on any legislature he voted on there. This can of worms could be huge and far reaching. I am thinking the powers that be may be deciding for us that it is better to keep the flow of things, even if it means breaking the constitution, than it is to look at the mess the truth being revealed would create. That is MHO.
_________________ ...I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid...
William Barret Travis
Letter From The Alamo Feb 24, 1836
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject:
SeaTurtle wrote:
cayla99 wrote:
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I think the solution would be that within the language of the law, they include a clause that states something to affect that with the production of adoption papers and the original certified copy of the modified birth cert showing the adoptive parents names. They can then mandate that an officer of the court be able to unseal the original birth cert and release in affidavit form the date of birth and place (state or country) of birth. This would be used exclusively in cases of adoption and proof of that adoption MUST be submitted to go this route. This would ensure the original privacy guarantees that the original sealing had attempted to provide, while also proving eligibility for office.
I happen to be one of the few who knows their birth parents. While my birth father died in the late 80's, my birth mother lives five minutes away from me. I really think some provision of this type needs to be included. I'm sending it along to Daryl Metcalfe.
You are lucky, I have two adopted cousins, both who have sealed records and my aunt refuses to give either boy (now men in their 30's) any info. I was there when the youngest was adopted and remember his birth name. My aunt has not talked to me in 5 years because as his 30th birthday present, I told him all I knew. I felt he was now an adult and this was his right. _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
5. 2010 and 2012 Elections: I hope by the time the next elections roll around in 2010, states will have passed laws where a candidate for ANY public office, especially a
candidate for Representative, Senator, Vice-President, and President of the United States, will be required to present a long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor's and hospital's names on it.
This could be a problem. I am not aware of my state (PA) even having a long form kept on file.
I got a new copy of my BC a couple yrs ago when mine got ruined. Also, I was adopted, so my original, at-birth documents are sealed.
Anyone else in a similar situation might have the same problems. There would have to be some sort of special provisions for those who have been adopted, especially those adopted through the state-run foster care agencies.
******
Are you saying that Obama was adopted?
I am aware that he was adopted by his step-father, but that wouldn't seal his original documents.
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Excuse me. You say above that you are aware that Obama was adopted by his step-father?
Do you realize that the Obama camp denies that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Soetoro?
My point is this: If Obama ever admits that he was adopted by Indonesia n citizen stepfather Soetoro, then that would cause chaos into the issue of whether or not Obama is eligible to become President of the United States.
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