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Yes, I just heard the latest rumor saying that Shawna Forde has now been shot in the arm while out walking and is in the hospital.
Whatever her problems are, it has become obvious that it is not because she is an officer for the self defamed and practically defunct Minuteman Project MMP.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject:
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No, don't post anything about a person's medical records. It's a violation of their privacy. There are very strict federal laws regarding priviacy and medical records.
I think Shawna Forde needs a good attorney and she needs to communicate to law enforcement and not the press or the public.
Dixie _________________ Englishmen, who have no right in this kingdom of France, the King of Heaven sends you word and warning...depart into your own country... Joan of Arc.
By Scott North and Jackson Holtz
Herald Writers
EVERETT -- The Everett-based leader of a group that she says patrols the nation's borders looking for drug smugglers and illegal immigrants was in an Everett hospital this morning being treated for an apparent gunshot wound in the arm.
It is the third report of violence connected to Shawna Forde in Everett since Dec. 22. That's when her estranged husband was shot at his home. Forde reported being beaten and raped there a week later by intruders.
Forde, 41, reported being shot in an Everett alley Thursday night.
She was in satisfactory condition this morning at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, hospital spokeswoman Cheri Russum said. Privacy laws prohibit her offering other details.
Police were called just after 9:30 p.m. Thursday to an alley in the 1800 block of 24th Street to reports of someone screaming and the sound of a single gunshot, Everett police Sgt. Robert Goetz said.
A woman in the alley had what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the arm. She told them she was walking alone when shot, Goetz said.
In keeping with police department policies, Goetz would not directly confirm the woman was Forde. The woman who was shot was taken to the hospital with what he described as non-life threatening injuries.
She told police she was walking from the Veterans of Foreign Wars post to a friend’s house near 23rd Street and Colby Avenue, Goetz said.
The alley is less than two blocks from the home on Rockefeller where Forde's husband was shot and she later reported being sexually assaulted.
On Thursday, the woman said she believed she was being followed by somebody, turned around and was shot, Goetz said.
“The details after that, we're not real clear on,” he said.
The woman was not immediately able to provide detectives with a description of whomever shot her. Everett Police this afternoon released a sketch of the suspect provided by the victim. Investigators plan to interview her again Tuesday, Goetz said.
Goetz said police are investigating whether there is any possible connection with the Dec. 22 shooting and the reported Dec. 29 sexual assault.
Everett police major crime detectives are investigating all three incidents, Goetz said today.
Forde last week met with detectives to be interviewed on the sexual assault report. They asked her back to talk about her husband's shooting. Forde indicated she would talk to them, but had to reschedule and the meeting is pending, Goetz said.
Forde and her husband moved into separate homes in July. In October, he filed for divorce.
Forde is national director of Minutemen American Defense, a group that lobbies against illegal immigration and sends volunteers to Arizona to monitor the nation's border with Mexico.
In interviews and Web postings, she publicly linked the shooting of her husband, 51, and the attack she reported on herself a week later. She has suggested the violence was somehow connected to her activism fighting crime, drugs and illegal immigration, but offered scant details.
Forde's rape report triggered a blogosphere backlash, with speculation that the attack could be a hoax.
Forde has dismissed questions as "politics," and labeled as "ridiculous" any suggestion that she may have somehow simulated her injuries reported in the Dec. 29 incident.
Her hospital discharge papers from that incident were posted earlier this week on Forde's Minuteman American Defense Web site. They show she was examined for a reported rape and was treated for a possible concussion and bruises.
Police urged anybody who lives near the alley where Thursday's shooting was reported, or who may have seen or heard anything, to call the police tip line at 425-257-8450.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject:
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They show she was examined for a reported rape and was treated for a possible concussion and bruises.
So. Just because she was examined for something does not mean it occurred. You go to the doctor and tell them what needs to be looked at and they examine it.
Besides, if this woman's life is in danger, why in the hell hasn't she moved?
Dixie _________________ Englishmen, who have no right in this kingdom of France, the King of Heaven sends you word and warning...depart into your own country... Joan of Arc.
If you report being attacked and raped to a hospital, they have to perform the exam if you want them to. They cannot say whether or not any of it was real or faked.
Interesting, no police photos. The hospital checked off what was and was not done. The photos previously posted on the web of the bruises were amateur and seemed to be taken inside a home.
Further down, "No evidence of serious injury has been found at this time".
I'm looking for mention of the cuts. A contusion is a bruise. Many people have minior bruises at any given time.
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Closed head injuries are the most common type, and are so called because no break of the skin or open wound is visible. These often happen as a result of rapid acceleration or deceleration, for example when a car hits a brick wall, or a car is hit from behind at traffic lights. The head is rocked back and forth or rotated, and the brain must follow the movement of the skull. It can twist, and the billions of nerve fibres which make up the brain can be twisted, stretched and even torn in the process.
Even mild injuries of this sort can produce damage which is quite widespread throughout the brain. This is defined as diffuse brain injury. The front of the skull has sharp bony ridges with which the brain can also collide, causing more damage. Arteries and veins running through the brain can be damaged, allowing blood to leak.
The whiplash injury is probably the most difficult and risky case to pursue in court. Often times the imaging (X-ray, MRI, CT, etc.) will be “normal.” The only “evidence” of injury is the person’s own subjective complaints, and perhaps the “soft” examination findings of the treating physicians.
Then we are left with multiple contusions (bruises) and alleged sexual assault. Six pages of the Post-Pubescent Exam are missing, the three pages that are shown pretty much just say a rape test was done and discharge instructions. I'm no Doctor and fortunately I've never been involved with one of these exams, so I'm not sure what these three papers could prove other then she said she was raped and an exam was preformed. The rest of the papers just say she has contusions and said something happened....
What about those lacerations? You know, the ones in the pictures she posted (PC310045-600x455.jpg, PC310046.jpg, PC310064-600x457.jpg). In this interview she mentions being cut during the alleged assault. At 27:23 she states she remembers being cut on her arms and a cut on her leg (or something), and that the knife was held to her neck as she was being raped. She then talks about going in and out of consciousness until she finally wakes up to a room full of Police, and that the paramedics came and she went to the hospital. Why no mention of the lacerations in the diagnosis? Wouldn't that be as important as everything else?
Oh well, like I said I'm no Doctor. On another note, and no I'm not a Graphologist either, the "3" in the paperwork she signed and the "3" in the photo of a 13 on her floor look the same... lol, same down stroke and all. Well, that's what I see anyway.
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Why would a woman who's husband had been shot and says she was beaten and raped recently be walking alone in alleys at 9:30 at night?
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Women who have been violently raped by strangers usually refuse to go anywhere alone after the rape for a long period of time, walking down an alley alone at night after such a traumatic event is very strange and unusual. _________________
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:
April wrote:
ALIPAC wrote:
This story just gets stranger and stranger.
Why would a woman who's husband had been shot and says she was beaten and raped recently be walking alone in alleys at 9:30 at night?
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Women who have been violently raped by strangers usually refuse to go anywhere alone after the rape for a long period of time, walking down an alley alone at night after such a traumatic event is very strange and unusual.
I hope they are checking for flash burn on all individuals involved.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject:
If you haven't already checked out this interview with Shawna Forde, give it a listen. The interview itself answers a few questions (depending on how you look at it ), and the call-ins ask good questions and provide some great facts.
Shawna Forde with Minutemen American Defense was Shot Thursday night the 15Th at 9pm on her way to where she was staying "5 block" walk.
She was walking when thought someone was falling her in car so she went through alley as short cut wile on phone she was gunned down two shots through her arm.
She had surgery and is listed in stable condition, She may suffer long term nerve damage not to say everything else.
She is at Providence Colby campus in Everett, WA room 502
We here at mad are stunned and furious that our patriotic leader that we admire and has contributed allot to this movement with boots on the ground and many of us that have come to love and respect Shawna.
We ask for your prayers, If you want to talk bad it would only then show the low of the lowest.
As Shawna would say
"stay the course"
Semper Fi
Mad Administration
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So, her husband gets shot, she gets raped and beaten, then shot sometime later. You'd have to be really crazy to have someone shoot you, or to have shot yourself. She would have been immediately admitted to a psych ward upon a successful interview with authorities. There are many other ways to go about injuring oneself, and/or getting rid of oneself.
I'll tell you what, if someone broke into her home, and did what she claimed they did, why would she want to stay home? How long does it take to get a CCW permit where she lives? Furthermore the housing market is not doing very well, and home sales are down across the nation. I know of houses locally that have been for sale for over a year now. Unless she offered her house for near nothing, she cannot just move, unless she really was dumb. Most people cannot just pick up and move. In this world, we are lucky to find two friends, and it looks like she doesn't even have one to walk with her down a dark alley. She's an easy target, and apparently everyone knows it now.
We all know the pro-amnesty scum will do anything to get their way. Watch your backs, regardless if her story is true or not.
There are three things in this latest article that really stand out in my opinion.
1. Notice how careful the reporter is to completely qualify each detail as "she reported" "claimed", "Alleged" etc... It appears this reporter is highly suspect of these reports and is making a big effort to label each bit of information to the source.
2. This line really grabs me.
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On Thursday, the woman said she believed she was being followed by somebody, turned around and was shot, Goetz said.
“The details after that, we're not real clear on,” he said.
Officer Goetz is indicating that there are some major details missing or confusion surrounding this story.
3.
Quote:
Forde last week met with detectives to be interviewed on the sexual assault report. They asked her back to talk about her husband's shooting. Forde indicated she would talk to them, but had to reschedule and the meeting is pending, Goetz said.
It is my understanding that in any murder or attempted murder case, police automatically investigate the spouse right away because most of the time the spouse ends up being the culprit in these kinds of crimes. Special scrutiny would be placed on any spouse involved in divorce proceedings. Police would move to clear or confirm the spouse as a suspect or being involved as a primary course of action in my opinion. Any of you with more law enforcement experience than me, feel free to weigh in.
The police also want to move quickly in these cases so the evidence trail does not get cold.
While Mrs. Forde is reporting some very shocking crimes against her, why in the world would she postpone a meeting with police to discuss the attempted murder of her husband?
If she truly felt that the attacks on her and her husband were related and related to her political activities as she has claimed in writing, wouldn't she want to help police with all of the information she could share as quickly as possible?
In my opinion, it is a big contradiction between saying that people are out to kill and harm you and your family and delaying speaking with the police about these matters.
Also, what in the world would take precedence over accommodating the police and assisting them with the investigation of the attempted murder of your husband?
The way this article reads, it sounds like Shawna went in to talk about her reported crimes of assault and rape but when it came time to talk about her husband she agreed but then came up with some reason not to speak with police as agreed.
Shawna's reports of rape and sexual assault, followed by her report that a stranger shot her at night in an alley with no witnesses in sight, are stories that all point the finger away from herself as a possible suspect and towards some outside force.
The police are the only ones that can accurately assess Shawna's evidence or lack of evidence in these reported crimes.
One of the reasons I'm just not buying her official story is that so many things don't make sense.
And who is this assassin or group of assassins that, according to the way Shawna is broadcasting her story to the nation, have attempted to kill her three times and failed.
If some external group was truly trying to just scare her instead of killing her, don't you think that would have been accomplished when her husband was gunned down?
If not then, wouldn't it have been enough when her husband was gunned down and she was allegedly beaten black and blue and raped?
I have trouble believe this is an attempt to scare her or intimidate her because if that was the motivation of a hostile individual or group, it would be complete overkill to do three things like this.
Now, if there is an individual or group that wants to kill Mrs. Forde for some reason, this has got to be the most incompetent assassin I've ever heard of.
Three failed attempts on her life that result in major life threatening injuries to her husband and only minor injuries documented to Shawna?
I swear, my gut feeling is this story is going to end up on the Lifetime channel eventually.
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Well, yeah, no witnesses so everything is being reported to the reporter by her. The only witness was that of a neighbor whom heard a gunshot. I don't know when the reporter took her statement, but if it was immediately after the wound, she was in shock, pain, and confusion, not to mention it is stacked on with all of her other issues she faced in her recent past.
The pictures posted by Shawna (and then quickly taken down) were not police or hospital photographs, but appeared to have been taken in a home and appeared to be amateur work. The pictures clearly showed shallow lacerations, but I saw no mention of cuts in the medical record nor any recommendation in the record for treatment for cuts. The posted medical record did not have police photographs checked, whereas other procedures were checked. If a person is trying to document bruises and cuts, that is puzzling. Why no police photographs (not that I would expect them to be posted anywhere, but I would expect the box to be checked to show they were taken) The medical records stated that no serious injuries were found. Why were the bruises so light looking if someone was trying to hurt and scare her? It is incredibly easy to cause major discoloration, especially in the area of the eye socket. Further review of the posted document shows that she signed the consent form to be photographed, but apparently nothing got photographed. Very strange.
Maybe she gave them VD, so they came back with a vengence. Maybe it was botched. You said she was trying for the city council. Look here, Van Dorst (German?) says "crime is good for the city, it allows usage of free labor". I hope everybody doesn't get to do "free labor" at the cost of their reputation, with a mile long Rap Sheet. Where's the Boy Scouts when you need them?
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject:
Gunshot wounds can be self inflicted. Especially, if they are non-life threatening like in the arm.
I think all of this is either attention seeking or a diversion to avoid talking to the police about her estranged husband's attack. This could be a guilt riden cover-up of his attack or the intentional building an insanity defense.
She could easily be placed under observation for mental stability, if a court finds that she is harmful to herself or to others.
Either way, this woman needs help(legal or mental) and this needs to stop happening to her, regardless of wheather it is self-inflicted or not.
Dixie _________________ Englishmen, who have no right in this kingdom of France, the King of Heaven sends you word and warning...depart into your own country... Joan of Arc.
A self-inflicted gun shot wound shows gun powder at the wound. From a distance, gun powder would not show up on the wound, at least as much as a self-inflicted shot would. The Police do stick around the Hospitals and await a verdict from a Physician. So , I would imagine that if it was self-inflicted the story would read different.
Gunshot wounds can be self inflicted. Especially, if they are non-life threatening like in the arm.
I think all of this is either attention seeking or a diversion to avoid talking to the police about her estranged husband's attack. This could be a guilt riden cover-up of his attack or the intentional building an insanity defense.
She could easily be placed under observation for mental stability, if a court finds that she is harmful to herself or to others.
Either way, this woman needs help(legal or mental) and this needs to stop happening to her, regardless of wheather it is self-inflicted or not.
Dixie
Let's play CSI. I thought of this myself. When they have a shooting victim don't they test for powder burns, they can tell how close the gun was when fired. And were any bullits recovered, if so what calliber. what type of gun???
Gunshot wounds can be self inflicted. Especially, if they are non-life threatening like in the arm.
I think all of this is either attention seeking or a diversion to avoid talking to the police about her estranged husband's attack. This could be a guilt riden cover-up of his attack or the intentional building an insanity defense.
She could easily be placed under observation for mental stability, if a court finds that she is harmful to herself or to others.
Either way, this woman needs help(legal or mental) and this needs to stop happening to her, regardless of wheather it is self-inflicted or not.
Dixie
Let's play CSI. I thought of this myself. When they have a shooting victim don't they test for powder burns, they can tell how close the gun was when fired. And were any bullits recovered, if so what calliber. what type of gun???
Only the police can get to the bottom of this and answer these questions.
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Here is the latest article with new info and some older infpo
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Jennifer Buchanan / The Herald (click to enlarge)
Shawna Forde, an official with the Minutemen American Defense, was reportedly shot in this alley in Everett on Thursday night.
Everett police (click to enlarge)
A police sketch of a suspect that Shawna Forde said attacked her on Dec. 29.
EVERETT -- Police are investigating more violence connected to an Everett woman who has claimed she is being targeted because of her freelance operations to thwart drug smugglers and illegal immigrants.
Shawna Forde, 41, was hospitalized after she reported being shot in the arm while walking alone in an Everett alley Thursday night.
It is the third report of violence connected to Forde in Everett since Dec. 22. That's when her estranged husband was shot at his home. Forde reported being beaten and raped by intruders in the same house a week later.
Forde was in satisfactory condition Friday morning at Providence Regional Medical Center Everett, hospital spokeswoman Cheri Russum said. Privacy laws prohibit her from offering other details.
Mike Carlucci, a Seattle private investigator Forde has identified as her spokesman, said Friday that Forde is directing all media questions to her attorney, whom he declined to identify.
Police were called just after 9:30 p.m. Thursday to an alley in the 1800 block of 24th Street to reports of someone screaming and the sound of a single gunshot, Everett police Sgt. Robert Goetz said.
A woman in the alley had what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the arm. She told police she was walking alone when shot, Goetz said.
In keeping with police department policies, Goetz would not directly confirm the woman was Forde. The woman who was shot was taken to the hospital with injuries he said were not considered life threatening.
She told police she was walking from the Veterans of Foreign Wars post to a friend's house near 23rd Street and Colby Avenue, Goetz said.
The alley is less than two blocks from the home on Rockefeller where Forde's husband was shot and she later reported being sexually assaulted.
On Thursday, the woman said she believed she was being followed by somebody, turned around and was shot, Goetz said.
"The details after that, we're not real clear on," he said.
The woman was not immediately able to provide detectives with a description of whoever shot her. Investigators plan to interview her again Tuesday, Goetz said.
Alicia Delaney lives in a house just off the alley. She was getting ready for bed when she heard a popping sound, a car door slam and then the loud rumble of an engine just outside her bedroom window Thursday night.
Delaney said her housemates recognized the noise as a gunshot. They ran outside and found a woman slumped over. They called 911.
The area soon was swarmed by police and emergency vehicles, Delaney said.
"When it happens right there it doesn't feel so good," she said.
Celia Cortes lives on Oakes Avenue, her home abutting the alley. She heard "a pop, a loud pop," and not long after that police were at her door, asking if she had noticed anything suspicious. On Friday afternoon, blood still stained the ground off the alley where the shooting was reported.
Goetz said Everett police major crime detectives are investigating whether there is any connection between what happened Thursday and the Dec. 22 shooting and the reported Dec. 29 sexual assault.
Forde last week met with detectives to be interviewed on the sexual assault report. They asked her back to talk about her husband's shooting. Forde indicated she would talk to them, but had to reschedule and the meeting is pending, Goetz said.
Forde and her husband moved into separate homes in July. In October, he filed for divorce.
Forde is national director of Minutemen American Defense, a group that lobbies against illegal immigration and sends volunteers to Arizona to monitor the nation's border with Mexico.
In interviews and Web postings, she publicly linked the shooting of her husband, 51, and the attack she reported on herself a week later. She has suggested the violence was somehow connected to her activism fighting crime, drugs and illegal immigration, but offered scant details.
Forde's rape report triggered a blogosphere backlash, with speculation that the attack could be a hoax.
Forde has dismissed questions as "politics," and labeled as "ridiculous" any suggestion that she may have somehow simulated her injuries reported in the Dec. 29 attack.
Her hospital discharge papers connected to that incident were posted earlier this week on Forde's Minuteman American Defense Web site. They show she was examined for a reported rape and was treated for a possible concussion, neck pain and bruises.
Detectives have limited leads to follow up in the case, Goetz said. On Friday they released a sketch of one of the intruders Forde said attacked her Dec. 29.
The initial suspect description she provided to officers that night was of a young, white male wearing a black mask, Goetz said.
In interviews, Forde has said she was knocked unconscious by her attackers in the kitchen and had only vague recollection of what happened. She said there may have been up to three attackers.
Goetz said that last month, after Forde called them to report she'd been attacked, police searched the area with a tracking dog without success.
Forde ally Jim Gilchrist, president of the California-based Minuteman Project, said Forde spent roughly three months on the Arizona border in 2008 working with others to watch the border with Mexico. He said she sent e-mails describing how she was "deeply entrenched" in monitoring the activities of drug cartels.
He is surprised by the recent violence surrounding her.
"I don't think this is a hoax. I don't know what to think," he said. "I'm certainly in shock. We have to let law enforcement play it out and see what is going on."
Police urged anybody who lives near the alley where Thursday's shooting was reported, or who may have seen or heard anything, to call the police tip line at 425-257-8450.
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), and the call-ins ask good questions and provide some great facts.
