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NoBueno
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| In any event, the Supreme Court is a long way off at the moment. The first step is to get this initiative passed. Is a ballot initiative the same as a proposition? if so, and enough signatures are gathered, this will appear on the 2010 ballot? Is that right? |
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Bowman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| NoBueno wrote: | | In any event, the Supreme Court is a long way off at the moment. The first step is to get this initiative passed. Is a ballot initiative the same as a proposition? if so, and enough signatures are gathered, this will appear on the 2010 ballot? Is that right? |
Yes to all. 650,000 signatures are needed, I am working on getting my share right now. |
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cayla99
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| Bowman wrote: | | cayla99 wrote: |
I think whether or not they grant the writ depends on whether or not they like what the 9th circus has to say on the subject |
In that case they will probably grant the Writ since the 9th Circus comes up with off the wall rulings that are more often than not overturned by the Supreme Court. |
On the other hand, lately they have had some sane rulings......I know...scared the blank out of me also. I wanted to check the temperature in hell
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NoBueno
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Bowman
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Only for registered California voters. |
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jean
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Was looking for news articles tonight on the web and while doing a search found this story in General Discussion. We look for Homepage articles in the News Stories forum so please post major important news stories there ok? 
Added to Homepage:
http://www.alipac.us/article-4351--0-0.html
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builditnow
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| Bowman wrote: | | NoBueno wrote: |
Please try to understand what i'm saying. Even if this legislation passes, and without an act of Congress and without Supreme Court intervention, the erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment will continue. Do you understand?
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Eventually, the Supreme Court may get involved. Until such time, we are where we are. |
It won't be eventually, the opposition (MALDEF, ACLU, etc.) has said they will sue to stop implementation of this initiative the day after is passes. The initiative backers then will take it all the way to the Supreme Court, so we will get a ruling one way or the other. If the Supremes rule against us, the backers hope the publicity will get enough public support to force Congress to pass a law ending the practice.
So while the initiative will not directly end misuse of the 14th Amendment, it has a good chance of indirectly ending it. |
I agree. I think this is terrific news! At least its a start to changing the anchor baby absurdity.
It seems I also read recently that some US senator or House rep submitted a bill also regarding clarifying that the 14th Amendment does NOT apply to anchor babies.....? It might have been an article posted here. |
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SOSADFORUS
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The biggest worry is who is going to be sitting on the United States Supreme court by the time it gets there....we will have Sotomayor and Obama will probably appoint two others in place of Stevens and Ginsburg, they better hurry every chance they get....One thing is for sure anyone one who thinks Sotomayor will actually interrput the constitution and not make up what she wants it to be is sadly mistaken.
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onetrickydude
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Sad Sad for the innocent children but these people are using them to get some kind of living expenses and other benefits from the country. It is a shame that babies are being used this way … this only shows the kind of criminals that we are dealing with in this country. They come to have children here by the dozens thinking about themselves NOT about the children that they are bringing to this world.
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What is sad is all the folks who are out of work now because their job was given to illegals who work for less with no benefits.
Sad, is the damage that has happened to this beautiful country over the last 12 years due to the invasion of illegal immigrants.
What's the saddest thing of all is that our government allowed this to happen.
I'm sorry but these kids don't belong here anymore than their conniving parents. |
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Ratbstard
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The Chinese here in NYC send their 1yr old children to China to live with relatives until they are 5yrs old. Then they come back for an American education.
The ones who can afford to anyway.
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Buzzm1
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| If anmyone hears who is managing the Petitions to collect 450,000 signatures, please post that information...thanks |
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uniteasone
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Let us not forget they not only have ANCHOR BABIES to collect benefits but they also send some off to work as well. Just as noticed in some of the big busts in the agri-businesses where they found under aged kids working in the plants.
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Bowman
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| uniteasone wrote: | | Let us not forget they not only have ANCHOR BABIES to collect benefits but they also send some off to work as well. Just as noticed in some of the big busts in the agri-businesses where they found under aged kids working in the plants. |
Not only that, many of them use their kids SSN to get a job. |
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azwreath
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[quote="Bowman"] | uniteasone wrote: | | Let us not forget they not only have ANCHOR BABIES to collect benefits but they also send some off to work as well. Just as noticed in some of the big busts in the agri-businesses where they found under aged kids working in the plants. |
Not only that, many of them use their kids SSN to get a job.[/quote]
They also have no qualms about selling their anchors personal information to others for the purposes of fraud as well.
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LiquidRevolver
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I just pray that this law passes.
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LadyStClaire
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ITS TIME FOR ALL AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO STAND WITH TED HAYES ON THIS SUBJECT.THIS SHOULD BE DONE IN EVERY STATE IN THE UNION.EVERY AFRICAN-AMERICAN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BARACK OBAMA CAME FROM THOSE WHO WERE BROUGHT TO THIS COUNTRY AS SLAVES. FORGET ABOUT JESSE JACKSON AND AL SHARPPTON BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE.THEY MARCH WITH THOSE COMING ACCROSS THE BORDER FROM MEXICO INSTEAD OF MARCHING ON THE SIDE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE.I HAVE NO USE FOR EITHER OF THEM. AND AS FOR THE PRESIDENT,THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A ONE TERM STINT FOR HIM. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS WRONG TO BE PANDERING TO THOSE WHO ARE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THERE WERE OTHER RACES AND NOT JUST HISPANICS WHO VOTED FOR THIS MAN. SO THEREFORE HE DOES NOT OWE THESE PEOPLE NADA. THIS BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP NEEDS TO COME TO AN END FOR THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE.   |
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LadyStClaire
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| builditnow wrote: | | Bowman wrote: | | NoBueno wrote: |
Please try to understand what i'm saying. Even if this legislation passes, and without an act of Congress and without Supreme Court intervention, the erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment will continue. Do you understand?
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Eventually, the Supreme Court may get involved. Until such time, we are where we are. |
It won't be eventually, the opposition (MALDEF, ACLU, etc.) has said they will sue to stop implementation of this initiative the day after is passes. The initiative backers then will take it all the way to the Supreme Court, so we will get a ruling one way or the other. If the Supremes rule against us, the backers hope the publicity will get enough public support to force Congress to pass a law ending the practice.
So while the initiative will not directly end misuse of the 14th Amendment, it has a good chance of indirectly ending it. |
I agree. I think this is terrific news! At least its a start to changing the anchor baby absurdity.
It seems I also read recently that some US senator or House rep submitted a bill also regarding clarifying that the 14th Amendment does NOT apply to anchor babies.....? It might have been an article posted here. |
THE FIGURE HEADS IN WASHINGTON HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT THE 14th AMENDMENT WAS NOT INTENDED FOR BABIES BORN TO ILLEGAL AILEANS IN THIS COUNTRY.THIS NEEDS TO END ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND NOT JUST IN CALIFORNIA. THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL THERE BE A LITTLE MORE IMPROVEMENT IN THE ECONOMY OF OUR NATION. ITS TIME FOR ALL OF THESE FREEBIES TO COME TO AN END FOR ILLEGALS ALSO.YOU COULDN'T GO TO MEXICO AND BE TREATED TO THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. |
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LadyStClaire
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| Bowman wrote: | | uniteasone wrote: | | Let us not forget they not only have ANCHOR BABIES to collect benefits but they also send some off to work as well. Just as noticed in some of the big busts in the agri-businesses where they found under aged kids working in the plants. |
Not only that, many of them use their kids SSN to get a job. |
SO MUCH FOR HARD WORKING HONEST PEOPLE RIGHT  THESE PEOPLE DO NOT WORK ANY HARDER THAN AMERICANS.IF THEY ARE ALL THAT AND A BOWL OF GRITS,THEN WHY DON'T THEY FORFIT THEIR PUBLIC ASSISTANCE? |
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LadyStClaire
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| Bowman wrote: | | NoBueno wrote: | Even though they cannot get a birth certificate or benefits, are those anchor babies born in CA still US citizens? The answer is yes, because the 14th Amendment an its erroneous interpretation still conveys citizenship to them.
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Not exactly, the 14th Amendment does not allow states to decide who is a citizen and who is not, so this initiative after passage will be headed to the Supreme Court, who will have to decide if anchor babies are US citizens or not. We might get lucky and they say no. If they say yes the initiative will be ruled invalid and we start over trying to get a similar measure passed in Congress. A Federal law of this type will stand up in court. |
IF IT FAILS WHICH I HOPE IT WON'T.THEN WE WILL TAKE TO OUR STREETS JUST LIKE THEY DO EVERY MAY1st WHEN THEY ARE MAKING DEMANDS ON A COUNTRY THAT IS NOT THEIRS |
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LadyStClaire
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| hattiecat wrote: | It is absolutely imperative to stop illegal aliens from giving birth in this country.
The number one way they are bankrupting the states is through the medical care, birth costs, benefits given after the birth, and subsequent education of their U.S. born children. Stop anchor baby citizenship and a huge burden will be lifted from American taxpayers. |
YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT BY THE GOVENOR OF CALIFORNIA.HE IS DENYING THAT FACT BUT WE ALL KNOW ITS TRUE. AND ITS THAT WAY FOR SEVERAL STATES IN THE UNION. |
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April
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vmonkey56
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Related Link:
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER PROTECTION ACT
Sponsored by Taxpayer Revolution
http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/
| Quote: | AN INITIATIVE TO HELP CALIFORNIA'S
BUDGET DEFICIT CRISIS:
CALIFORNIA TAXPAYER PROTECTION ACT
BORDER CONTROL BY STOPPING THE MAGNETS
The initiative requires illegal alien mothers to apply in person and pay an additional fee for a certificate designating a "Foreign Parent," submit official government issued identification with photograph and fingerprint, all of which is transmitted to the United States Department of Homeland Security.
ENDS illegal aliens use of all public funded benefits including pre-natal, non-emergency medical care and in-state tuition. California is one of thirteen states with this taxpayer expense. In 1987, California had a teenage birth rate below the national average. Pre-natal commenced for illegal aliens in 1988. Four years later the teenage birth rate was twice the national average and the highest of any state. If you understand the multitude of long term problems that are transferred from one generation to the next which are caused by teenage births, you will support this initiative.
TERMINATES all child welfare checks that are now direct deposited into illegal aliens bank accounts for the anchor babies. Many of these checks become remittances that are sent out of the U.S. The Department of Health and Human Services confirmed the state can require lawful presence of all applicants to prevent state block grant funds from going to illegal aliens.
The California Legislature allows issuance of child welfare to illegal aliens for 18 years. Citizens can only receive the benefit for five years. Between 1988-1995 this welfare program quadrupled and continues to spiral out of control. In spite of the budget deficits the Legislature refuses to end this welfare magnet or lower the number of years to five.
Public benefits issued to only citizens, or qualifed aliens with signed affidavits verified for lawful status. The text is the same as Oklahoma's laws that have been upheld in district court.
If "birth tourism," and all other welfare paid to illegal aliens had been stopped 20 years ago there would not be the state budget deficit crisis there is today. That problem is costing taxpayers over $2.5 Billion every year.
An article in the Sacramento Bee on September 10, 2007 by Washington correspondent David Whitney summed up automatic citizenship: "Although Congress has never passed a law saying so, no president has ever ordered it, and no court has ever ruled on the issue, each of these babies automatically becomes a U.S. citizen when it takes its first breath."
Our citizen’s movement will launch the national debate we need to bring an end to "birth tourism" and AUTOMATIC CITIZENSHIP in the United States of America. The movement will uphold the recorded words and real intent of the authors of our Constitution. To the authors and the states which passed the 14th Amendment "subject to the jurisdiction" is to mean even today that citizens are born to parents who are "not subjects of a foreign power." Their intent was to clarify that there is no automatic birthright citizenship.
With your support to Taxpayer Revolution we can launch the legal movement to end birth tourism, caused by the unconstitutional policy of automatic U.S. citizenship. Please mail donations and self-addressed stamped envelopes for petitions to:
TAXPAYER REVOLUTION P.O. Box 9985 San Diego, CA 92169
Formally supported by the American Legion, Department of California, Reps. Dana Rohrabacher and Brian Bilbray, Numbers USA, and more. Please see Endorsements. PLEASE CONTRIBUTE on-line now.
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April
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cjbl2929
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys just so you know the CA bill that is now gathering signatures to make it on the ballot for a vote - is identical to the Oklahoma and a couple other states laws that have already been challenged many times over by La Raza and Maldef and the ACLU and have won in court every single time. Even in the 9th court.
If this passes it will "legally" become law because there are to many court case challeges that have failed - the court has time and time again said the way this bill is written does not cause any issues, which prohibit it from becoming law.
Hence many states already have this law in place. |
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vortex
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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W will be talking to Ted Hilton tomorrow on the radio show so tune in.
And wouldn't retroactive be just heaven? |
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