ALIPAC issues clarification on 9/12 and Glenn Beck

ALIPAC

Friends of ALIPAC,

Our e-mail that was sent out a few hours ago is causing quite a stir in the 9/12 and Tea Party movement.

Unfortunately, many people are leaping to some highly negative and inaccurate conclusions.

We are issuing this clarification e-mail to rectify some of the misunderstandings our earlier e-mail has caused.

Here is a copy of our first e-mail
No ALIPAC Rally in DC, Some 9/12 Groups are Open Borders Groups
http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-169338.html

1. No ALIPAC is not BOYCOTTING the 9/12 events in DC. Just because we decide not to throw a Rally Against Amnesty event near the date in DC, at an approximate expense to us of $10,000, does not mean we are boycotting the events. We support the 9/12 individuals and groups that are against illegal immigration and any form of amnesty, including Bush's Guest Worker Amnesty and Obama's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty like ALIPAC is.

2. We did not say we were not going to DC because there are pro-amnesty groups involved with 9/12. We said we were not going to do a rally because of a "host of reasons". Since the false claim is being made that we are not going because of the Open Borders groups and leaders, we will tell you a few of the "host of reasons" are costs, lack of time to prepare, permits, logistics, etc....

3. We did not slight Glenn Beck in our e-mail. We support Glenn Beck and have supported Glenn Beck for years. We have spoken out publicly in support of Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs for years and have recently been fighting against those trying to get Lou and Glenn fired. We regret that some people have chosen to interpret our notice about the pro-Amnesty groups as a offense offered to Glenn Beck.

4. Partisanship? ALIPAC is going to present our supporters with the facts without regard to partisan issues. When Democrats like Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are on the wrong side of the immigration debate then ALIPAC will point that out. When Republicans like George Bush, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain are on the wrong side of the immigration debate, ALIPAC will point that out. If anyone is trying to make the suggestion that ALIPAC should temper our responses based on partisan concerns, save your breath.

5. We will provide you with more information about the positions of the groups and leaders that are conducting and sponsoring the 9/12 events soon. We did not provide that information in today's email because 1. There's lots of information to compile and research to complete and 2. The details of the pro-amnesty groups and leaders involved with 9/12 and Tax Day Tea Party events deserves its own e-mail and focus of attention when ready.

We are not boycotting, we are not telling people not to go to DC, we are not bashing Glenn Beck, we are not bashing 9/12 or Tax Day Tea Party supporters, we are not bashing all groups and leaders involved with these things.

You have some real pro-Amnesty Open Borders types that are involved and those of us who are against Amnesty and for secure borders need to know who is who among the wolves in Washington, DC.

The Open Borders Lobby is a bipartisan group of Global corporations, Democrats, Republicans, non profits, think tanks, etc....

Illegal immigration, Amnesty for illegals, and the Open Borders plans are the biggest threat to the United States. Excessive taxation, loss of freedoms, attacks on free speech, and attack on all constitutional rights are part of the plan to bring American citizens and laws into "harmonization" with Canada and Mexico and a more Global community.

The Open Borders Lobby elitists want to capture the popular uprising in this nation.

We all have to be very careful here, and there should be no tears over the fact it won't be as cut and dry as Democrat Vs. Republican or supporting Obama or not.

The Open Borders Lobby has proven itself successful in forcing Americans into elections all across our nation where you have to chose between an Open Borders pro-Amnesty Democrat and an Open Borders pro-Amnesty Republican.

Any and all of you going to Washington, DC this month need to know that you are stepping into their territory.

Whatever your most important issues are, be they taxation, freedoms, rights, health care, cap and trade, it won't matter anymore, if the Open Borders Lobby Democrats and Republicans turn 15 million illegal aliens into new voters, as they intend to later this year.

If that happens, your issues won't mean anything anymore because you will have been replaced with illegal aliens who have turned into voters that have been given a chunk of your nation in return for their services.

We will release our information on the pro-Amnesty people involved with the 9/12 movement soon, but if you must have a tidbit to tide you over just Google "Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform, immigration."

And since we must anticipate some expected criticisms for releasing this information, let us make it clear that we are not just focusing on one person and one group. There are several other pro-AMNESTY, Open Borders Lobby, leaders and groups that are on the payrolls of foreign governments involved.

If anyone has any concerns or questions please direct them to me personally. Or, if you prefer you can post your comments, questions, feedback, or concerns beneath this thread on our website..
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-947226.html#947226

At your service,

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
WilliamG@alipac.us
www.alipac.us
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LAPhil · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject:

William, I have no doubt that you've done your homework on this, but nevertheless something seems a little strange here. I have never met anyone who opposes Obama's attempt to control our health care and various other parts of our lives who was in favor of amnesty. Of course that doesn't mean there are none, because there are exceptions to every rule, but could you do a little more elaborating on just what made you decide that going to the 9/12 event on behalf of Alipac wasn't a good idea?
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jinky · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject:

I'd like to know the names/groups that are Tea Party groups or 9/12 that are for open borders.
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JohnDoe2 · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject:

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Beagle-Lover · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject:

HI to all of you:

I don't think that regular readers of the ALI-PAC site would have much confusion over what William stated here. Most of us should realize that not all citizens groups are against illegal immigration, just because they are opposed to higher taxes doesn't make them supporters of "Legal Immigration" by a long shot. This was what he was pointing out to us readers... not everyone supports this concept. Some folks are motivated by a specific topics, like higher taxes, or Health care reform. Illegal Immigration may be a serious threat to some folks, and others support "open borders". It's not a party issue for many voters, some no issue at all. They want everyone to come to the USA! We don't need a Rocket Science degree to figure this out, do we??

jinky · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject:

I'm confused. If someone is against higher taxes, how could that not be against illegal immigration?
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shirliann · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Apr 02, 2009 Posts: 1

When I read the first email, I wonder why you needed to be invited, thinking that if you wanted to be apart of this event, you would get in on it. I am most certainly sure no one would have been "rejected".

That email did appear this group leaders are angry or upset over "not being invited".

I am disspointed that this group did not do what it needed to do to be there!

JohnDoe2 · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: RELATED

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Today's White House Meeting on Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Release Date: August 20, 2009

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

“Today’s meeting on comprehensive immigration reform was an important opportunity to hear from stakeholders and build on
the significant time I’ve spent on the Hill meeting with members of Congress on this critical subject. I look forward to working with
President Obama, my colleagues in Congress and representatives from law enforcement, business, labor organizations, the
interfaith community, advocacy groups and others as we work on this important issue.”

Declaraciones De La Secretaria De Seguridad Nacional Janet Napolitano Sobre La Reunión Sobre La Reforma Integral De La Inmigración

“La reunión de hoy sobre la reforma integral de la inmigración fue una oportunidad importante para escuchar a las partes
interesadas y sumar al tiempo significativo que he pasado en el Capitolio reunida con miembros del Congreso sobre este
importante tema. Anticipo con entusiasmo trabajar con el Presidente Obama, mis colegas del Congreso y los representantes
de las agencias de la ley, empresas, sindicatos, grupos religiosos, grupos que abogan por la comunidad, y otros a medida que
trabajamos sobre este importante asunto.”

Participants in Today’s Meeting:

AFL CIO, Paul Almeida
AFL CIO, Ana Avendano
AFL CIO, Arlene Baker
Agriculture Coalition for Immigration Reform, Monte Lake
American Civil Liberties Union, Chris Calabrese
America’s Voice, Frank Sharry
American Farm Bureau, Ron Gaskill
American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO, T.J. Donner
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, Paul Booth
American Immigration Lawyers Association, Crystal Williams
American Jewish Committee, Chelsea Hanson
American Meat Institute, J. Patrick Boyle
Arizona Latino Commission, Eve Nunez
Asian American Justice Center, Karen Narasaki
Associated General Contractors, Katherine Knott
Building and Construction Trades Department, AFL-CIO, Robert Pleasure
Casa de Maryland, Gustavo Andrade
Catholic Legal Immigration Network, Mark Franken
Cato Institute, Dan Griswold
Center for American Progress, Angela Kelley
Center for Community Change, Gabe Gonzalez
Change to Win, Anna Burger
Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Allison Johnson
Church World Service, Jen Smyers
Citigroup, Paul Thornell
Compete America, Rebecca Peters
Compete America, Bo Cooper
Esperanza USA, Mary Clark
Essential Worker Coalition, Laura Reiff
Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, Jon Adler
Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society/Interfaith Immigration Coalition, Mark Hetfield
Hewlett Packard, Gina Bancroft
Immigration Equality, Julie Kruse
Immigration Policy Center, Mary Giovagnoli
Information Technology Industry Council, Dean Garfield
Intel, Ryan Triplette
Interfaith Worker Justice, Kristin Kumpf
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Terry Yellig
International Brotherhood of Teamsters, John Coli
International Chiefs of Police, Russell Laine
International Federation of Professional & Technical Engineers, Paul Shearon
International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craft workers, James Boland
Irish Apostolate, Geri Garvey
Jesuit Refugee Service, Shaina Aber
Laborers' International Union of North America, Bevin Albertani
League of United Latin American Citizens, Rosa Rosales
Legal Momentum, Lisalyn Raquel Jacobs
Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services, Leslie Velez
Major City Chiefs, Dean Keuter
McDonalds, Bo Bryant
Mennonite Central Committee, Tammy Alexander
Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, Dini Karasik
Microsoft, Bill Kamela
Migration Policy Institute, Marc Rosenblum
National Association of Asian Law Enforcement Commanders, John Lee
National Association of Evangelicals, Galen Carey
National Association of Homebuilders, Jenna Hamilton
National Association of Police Organizations, Andrea Mournighan
National Baptist Convention, Rev. L.B. West
National Council of Jewish Women, Elissa Froman
National Council of La Raza, Clarissa Martinez
National Day Laborers Network, Chris Newman
National Electrical Contractors of America, John Grau
National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, Rev. Dr. Angel Nunez
National Immigration Forum, Jeanne Butterfield
National Immigration Forum, Ali Noorani
National Immigration Law Center, Marielena Hincapie
National Korean American Service & Educational Consortium, Eun Sook Lee
National Latino Peace Officers Association, Arturo Venegas
National League of Cities, Ricardo Gambetta
National Restaurant Association, Beth Johnson
National Sheriffs Association, Ann Yom
National Urban League, Valerie Wilson
New Democratic Network, Simon Rosenberg
Oracle, Dejan Pavlovic
PICO National Network, Jared Rivera
Police Executive Research Foundation, Chuck Wexler
Police Foundation, Hubert Williams
Presbyterian Church USA, Julia Thorne
Rights Working Group, Jumana Musa
Service Employees International Union, Eliseo Medina
Sheet Metal Workers International Association, Marc Norberg
Sisters of Mercy, Regina McKillip
Society for Human Resource Management, Mike Aitken
Sojourners, Rev. Jim Wallis
South Asian American Leading Together, Deepa Iyer
Southeast Asia Resource Action Center, Helly Lee
Tech America, Jeff Lande
Tyson, Nora Venegas
U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Angelo Amador
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, Ryan Dwyer
U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, David Ferreira
UNITE HERE, Brenda Carter
United Farm Workers, Arturo Rodriguez
United Food and Commercial Workers, Joe Hansen
University of Texas, Dr. Ray Marshall
Wal-Mart, Adam Hemphill
World Relief, Jenny Hwang

Moderators

White House Domestic Policy Council, Melody Barnes
White House Domestic Policy Council, Heather Higginbottom
White House National Economic Council, James Kvaal
White House Office of Public Engagement, Tina Tchen
White House Office of Public Engagement, Buffy Wicks
Department of Homeland Security, Marco Lopez
Department of Homeland Security, David Martin
Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas
Department of Homeland Security, John Morton
Department of Homeland Security, Esther Olavarria
Department of Justice, Juan Osuna

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Beagle-Lover · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject:

Well maybe this isn't clear enough. Not everyone who is against higher taxes sees Illegal Immigration as part of that problem. Some folks only see a narrow view and not a comprehensive picture of a government or political situation. Many do not understand that Illegal Immigration is a big part of the negatives: rising taxes, healthcare, prison populations, drugs, crime etc and other gov't problems we have. They pigeon-hole this issue and cannot see the correlation between it and other problems.

jabwocky · ALIPAC Fledgling Joined: Dec 12, 2007 Posts: 10

I don't know ANYBODY I have met in the 912 movement, or any freedom/lower taxes movement that is for illegal immigration, I know business owners that need to have some sort of migrant worker system (our agriculture system) but only because nobody else will do it. But they are for a legal system of ANY sorts, most I know WANT to get illegals out, they tell me criminal illegals cause problems with legals that here, (and with illegals just trying to work).
Being for legal immigration does not imply being for illegal immigration.
I think anybody screaming freedom and lower taxes, but is for illegal immigration is sorely mistaken that they can take place.
A disproportioned amount of our taxes, Federal/State/County/Local go to illegal immigrants through a myriad of costs.
This is so easy to show, one cannot argue against this point fruitfully.

WorriedAmerican · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject:

I took the first email to mean that ALIPAC wasn't going to be represented at the 912 Project.
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jinky · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:01 pm Post subject:

Amercitizen · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject:

Grover Norquist has always stuck his nose in conservative circles ....while pushing his open borders, pro Islam, destroy America agenda. He is a slime ball of the worst kind ....read Paul Sperry's book "infiltration"

navigeur · ALIPAC Fledgling 2 Joined: Sep 03, 2009 Posts: 30

The first letter, in my opinion, was a little abrupt. I have been with ALIPAC for a number of years, and am involved in the tea party movement since its inception on 2/27/2009, and will continue to be. I firmly support both causes, and will, of course, continue to do so.

I am no spokesman, certainly, but the tea party movement does not have one single cause under its umbrella, but, rather, many. Lately, at least in California, it has added a few local concerns. ALIPAC has one, an important one, for sure. I do know, that in my limited experience in 4 tea parties and 1 townhall meeting, immigration has not been at the forefront.

I do know that ALIPAC has interests in other areas and its hands in some, but the focus has been on immigration.

When I read:

"our cause is conspicuously absent from the 9/12 efforts even though we know Glenn Beck is against Amnesty. Or at least he was over the last few years. "

it seems somewhat bitter that there was no recognition or invite.

Personally, Glenn Beck is not a spokesman for the Tea Parties, he does not represent them and this may be one area of misplaced focus. I wouldn't want him to be a spokesman anymore than I would want FOX to be a supporter, necessarily. The movement is headless, without a recognizable leader, and perhaps that's how it should stay.

When I read, "Several of the groups that are featured in the 9/12 events are pro amnesty and are GOP groups that are responsible for the continued invasion of our nation over eight years of the Bush administration. "

it appears to diminish the movement by division, inadvertently.

When I read "We will provide you with more details about that in a few days. "

I am expecting an expose on the movement, to critique it.

In my opinion, I don't think it is the right time to launch an expose a week before 9/12, as any information distributed would only be useful for any opposition, media or otherwise, who might attempt to divide either movement further. I represent only myself when I say this.

When I read

"but it appears some of the top leadership of the 9/12 events are parts of the Open Borders Lobby which is a fusion of Democrat and Republican groups that favor unlimited or barely limited legal and illegal immigration.

I feel that the categorization between Democrat and Republican, even if merged, seems more pronounced that the issues. The partisan divide, again, rears is ugly head.

The tea party movement and ALIPAC are non-partisan, grass-roots movements. In my opinion, it doesn't matter who is Republican or Democrat or Independent or whatever. The issues are the focus.

Besides, you are now talking about a conglomeration of groups, including even the central valley farmers in California, who have teamed up with Republicans, in Sacramento, to fight for water, against environmental regulation. Unheard of.

Should anyone be "excluded" because of their beliefs in causes?

That's a slippery slope and certainly something to think about.

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mlretail · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Feb 07, 2009 Posts: 5

I would find it completly impossible to be part of a rally against federal taxation without mentioning that the first and foremost reason taxes are being raised is the escalating costs of illegal immigration.

Illegal immigration is not being discussed enough or hardly at all at these state-wide and nation-wide tea party rallies. Looking at the plan of events for the National Tea Party there are several Latino interests being represented.

It is amazing to me that millions of intelligent Americans don't see plain as day that illegal immigration is the number one crisis in the country. Illegal immigration and has lead up to every major problem that lies before us to include unemployment, bankrupt city, county, state and federal budgets, broke school systems, overcrowded and over budget prison systems, out of sight health care costs - and all the rest as you know.

Tea party participants deserve our respect and our support. Those of us who are against Amnesty and illegal immigration just need to work harder at enlightening half the free world about what has brought us to this breaking point in history.

JohnDoe2 · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:

Lobbying career

Grover Norquist has represented various corporate interests, including American Express, and Microsoft. Records show that Microsoft paid Grover Norquist $60,000 in 1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
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jinky · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: People Just Don't Get It

jinky · Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:

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