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We need to legalize/regulate/tax the illegal drug trade, run it as a legitimate regulated monitored enterprise and re-assign all customs and DEA agents now wasting their time seizing 316,000 colorful Christmas "bongs" to seizing illegal aliens and distributing them back to their home countries, so US citizens can get their jobs back and buy some Christmas presents for their kids in our country.
I agree. It is just so dumb that our borders are being invaded and they are worried about some pipes. Yes those DEA agents could help to protect the borders and fight crime. They are totally trained and most cities are short of cops these days. I am sure the feds could also use them in federal law enforcement....like to fight gangs or whatever. Pipes...omg.
Exactly. If we promoted this right, we could solve 3 birds with 1 stone. Pass the FairTax, (force illegal aliens while here to pay the same taxes as US citizens), legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade (shut down illegal alien controlled drug gangs working for illegal foreign drug cartels and curtail the illegal aliens in our country running drugs drugs for this illegal enterprise by putting them out of business), reassign all LEO presently "looking for marijuana growing in the home" and "bongs" and wasting their time and our money arresting and prosecuting some poor dude for smoking pot or crack to the illegal alien and human smuggling operations, illegal alien labor networks, illegal alien document theft, identity theft, and all the other crimes they're involved with and our money would be much better spent, illegal immigration would dry up like a rain puddle in a desert, Americans would get their jobs back, go home with all their money and all their relatives presently in jail for non-violent drug charges would be set free to rejoin their families and help support them by going back to work.
It' a win-win-win deal. So it's definitely time for simple pragmatic solutions that solve multiple problems with 1 strategy, to improve life, liberty and working conditions for American Workers with 2 policy changes that stop illegal immigration and tax illegal aliens while they're here while denying them all benefits. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:46 am Post subject:
Judy wrote:
redpony353 wrote:
Judy wrote:
We need to legalize/regulate/tax the illegal drug trade, run it as a legitimate regulated monitored enterprise and re-assign all customs and DEA agents now wasting their time seizing 316,000 colorful Christmas "bongs" to seizing illegal aliens and distributing them back to their home countries, so US citizens can get their jobs back and buy some Christmas presents for their kids in our country.
I agree. It is just so dumb that our borders are being invaded and they are worried about some pipes. Yes those DEA agents could help to protect the borders and fight crime. They are totally trained and most cities are short of cops these days. I am sure the feds could also use them in federal law enforcement....like to fight gangs or whatever. Pipes...omg.
Exactly. If we promoted this right, we could solve 3 birds with 1 stone. Pass the FairTax, (force illegal aliens while here to pay the same taxes as US citizens), legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade (shut down illegal alien controlled drug gangs working for illegal foreign drug cartels and curtail the illegal aliens in our country running drugs drugs for this illegal enterprise by putting them out of business), reassign all LEO presently "looking for marijuana growing in the home" and "bongs" and wasting their time and our money arresting and prosecuting some poor dude for smoking pot or crack to the illegal alien and human smuggling operations, illegal alien labor networks, illegal alien document theft, identity theft, and all the other crimes they're involved with and our money would be much better spent, illegal immigration would dry up like a rain puddle in a desert, Americans would get their jobs back, go home with all their money and all their relatives presently in jail for non-violent drug charges would be set free to rejoin their families and help support them by going back to work.
It' a win-win-win deal. So it's definitely time for simple pragmatic solutions that solve multiple problems with 1 strategy, to improve life, liberty and working conditions for American Workers with 2 policy changes that stop illegal immigration and tax illegal aliens while they're here while denying them all benefits.
Ditto ...all that you said above. Also some of the DEA agents could be assigned to watch pedophiles when they are released. With the extra manpower, situations like the JayCee Dugard tragedy might be avoided.
DEA agents already have investigative and surveillence skills and that could be put to much better use. There is actually a shortage of good law enforcement in some sectors. Their talent is being wasted. And the jails are full of people who need treatment and are not getting it. So in and out they go and their root problems are never solved through being in jail.
If poor working conditions and lack of job security were addressed in this country maybe less people would be on drugs in the first place. It seems to me that in the past when people could build something during their life and could count on their job....there seemed to be much less drug and alcohol addiction.
Now we have a very depressing situation. Low pay, poor working conditions and lack of job security. And many dont have access to healthcare. Depressed wages has something to do with that. If wages had kept up with the cost of living over the years then people would be able to afford healthcare just like they did in the past.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:08 am Post subject:
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:36 am Post subject:
In the smoke shops, they call them tobacco pipes.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:38 am Post subject:
Drug Paraphernalia Seized At Local Smoke Shops - San Diego
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:47 am Post subject:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
redpony353 wrote:
Nothing will come of this. Unless the person or people are not licensed to sell these. There is a reason there have been no arrests in this case yet.
They already lost 316,000 bongs. That's a pretty hefty penalty in any country, even if no one ever gets arrested.
They were sent from China. The U.S. can't make arrest there, and China probably won't even envestigate.
They have to be able to prove that the people that they were sent to knew what they were. That's hard to do.
They have to all have been used to smoke drugs as well. So each pipe will have to be tested and found to have illegal drug residue on it. Because according to the law, that is how drug paraphanelia is defined. And if no residue is found, and the person is authorized to sell these items, then no law has been violated. In that case you and I as taxpayers will have to pay for damages to the pipes, or damages caused by the owner of the pipes not having access to the pipes. So the person who was suppose to recieve the pipes wont have to pay, taxpayers will have to pay.
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:51 am Post subject:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
redpony353 wrote:
Nothing will come of this. Unless the person or people are not licensed to sell these. There is a reason there have been no arrests in this case yet.
They already lost 316,000 bongs. That's a pretty hefty penalty in any country, even if no one ever gets arrested.
They were sent from China. The U.S. can't make arrest there, and China probably won't even envestigate.
They have to be able to prove that the people that they were sent to knew what they were. That's hard to do.
They wont lose it. They are probably covered in the Exemption clause:
(f) Exemptions This section shall not apply to -
(1) any person authorized by local, State, or Federal law to manufacture, possess, or distribute such items; or (2) any item that, in the normal lawful course of business, is imported, exported, transported, or sold through the mail or by any other means, and traditionally intended for use with tobacco products, including any pipe, paper, or accessory"
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:59 am Post subject:
They wouldn't have seized them if they couldn't keep them.
No one ships 316,000 used bongs because no one would buy used bongs.
They violate federal inport laws.
They have been seized and no one will test any of them because none of them have been used.
Would you go to federal court and ask the judge to return 316,000 illegally imported bongs and risk going to prison over it as well as loosing the stuff?
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:21 am Post subject:
[quote="JohnDoe2"]They wouldn't have seized them if they couldn't keep them.
No one ships 316,000 used bongs because no one would buy used bongs.
They violate federal inport laws.
They have been seized and no one will test any of them because none of them have been used.
Would you go to federal court and ask the judge to return 316,000 illegally imported bongs and risk going to prison over it as well as loosing the stuff?
THE END.[/quote
If they have been illegally imported then they would have already arrested the guy. The fact that the pipes are "clean" and "unused" precludes them from being classified as drug paraphanelia. Maybe they seized them because they wanted to find out if there were drugs included in the shipment. But it doesnt look as if there are drugs involved. So there is no paraphanelia classification. They will have to return the property.
You said they would not have seized them if they could not keep them. Interesting. There are many cases where property is seized and no one is ever charged with a crime. This practice is illegal and corrupt. Maybe they will keep the pipes. But why seize them? If they are not going to make an arrest why do it? Are they corrupt? Because if no law was broken, then they have no legal right to seize property. So that would show they have some other motivation....like maybe....selling the property themselves. If any laws were actually broken, they would have made an arrest by now. More evidence of our dysfunctional and corrupt government.
If it was my property would I go to court? Yes I would. If I had not broken any laws. And it appears at this point that no laws were broken. They would have made an arrest by now. So the answer is yes, I would go to court and retrieve my property.
We need to legalize/regulate/tax the illegal drug trade, run it as a legitimate regulated monitored enterprise and re-assign all customs and DEA agents now wasting their time seizing 316,000 colorful Christmas "bongs" to seizing illegal aliens and distributing them back to their home countries, so US citizens can get their jobs back and buy some Christmas presents for their kids in our country.
I agree. It is just so dumb that our borders are being invaded and they are worried about some pipes. Yes those DEA agents could help to protect the borders and fight crime. They are totally trained and most cities are short of cops these days. I am sure the feds could also use them in federal law enforcement....like to fight gangs or whatever. Pipes...omg.
Exactly. If we promoted this right, we could solve 3 birds with 1 stone. Pass the FairTax, (force illegal aliens while here to pay the same taxes as US citizens), legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade (shut down illegal alien controlled drug gangs working for illegal foreign drug cartels and curtail the illegal aliens in our country running drugs drugs for this illegal enterprise by putting them out of business), reassign all LEO presently "looking for marijuana growing in the home" and "bongs" and wasting their time and our money arresting and prosecuting some poor dude for smoking pot or crack to the illegal alien and human smuggling operations, illegal alien labor networks, illegal alien document theft, identity theft, and all the other crimes they're involved with and our money would be much better spent, illegal immigration would dry up like a rain puddle in a desert, Americans would get their jobs back, go home with all their money and all their relatives presently in jail for non-violent drug charges would be set free to rejoin their families and help support them by going back to work.
It' a win-win-win deal. So it's definitely time for simple pragmatic solutions that solve multiple problems with 1 strategy, to improve life, liberty and working conditions for American Workers with 2 policy changes that stop illegal immigration and tax illegal aliens while they're here while denying them all benefits.
Ditto ...all that you said above. Also some of the DEA agents could be assigned to watch pedophiles when they are released. With the extra manpower, situations like the JayCee Dugard tragedy might be avoided.
DEA agents already have investigative and surveillence skills and that could be put to much better use. There is actually a shortage of good law enforcement in some sectors. Their talent is being wasted. And the jails are full of people who need treatment and are not getting it. So in and out they go and their root problems are never solved through being in jail.
If poor working conditions and lack of job security were addressed in this country maybe less people would be on drugs in the first place. It seems to me that in the past when people could build something during their life and could count on their job....there seemed to be much less drug and alcohol addiction.
Now we have a very depressing situation. Low pay, poor working conditions and lack of job security. And many dont have access to healthcare. Depressed wages has something to do with that. If wages had kept up with the cost of living over the years then people would be able to afford healthcare just like they did in the past.
Exactly. Only 2% of the population is addicted to drugs, the same 2% that was addicted in 1913 when they passed the first drug laws. Whether the drugs are legal and as safe as possible or illegal and as unsafe as they can be, there's a certain percentage of our population that has this propensity. It's just who they are and the craving for them will drive them to it whether it's legal or illegal. That's been all we've learned about during the soon to be 100 Year War on Drugs. What we as a society have done to these people is far worse than what any drug did to them. We stole their liberty, their livelihoods, their families and cast them into a trash bin, abandoned them, called them names, threw them out of the house, locked them up, and killed thousands of them in the process. For what purpose again? I ask that question a lot and no one really knows the answer so they blurt out "for their own good". And just how is stealing someone's liberty, livelihood, family, future and often their life in their own good?
The War on Drugs was a well-intentioned program that became a total perversion of anything we can consider decent. It's become both indecent and immoral. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:00 am Post subject:
Judy wrote:
redpony353 wrote:
Judy wrote:
redpony353 wrote:
Judy wrote:
We need to legalize/regulate/tax the illegal drug trade, run it as a legitimate regulated monitored enterprise and re-assign all customs and DEA agents now wasting their time seizing 316,000 colorful Christmas "bongs" to seizing illegal aliens and distributing them back to their home countries, so US citizens can get their jobs back and buy some Christmas presents for their kids in our country.
I agree. It is just so dumb that our borders are being invaded and they are worried about some pipes. Yes those DEA agents could help to protect the borders and fight crime. They are totally trained and most cities are short of cops these days. I am sure the feds could also use them in federal law enforcement....like to fight gangs or whatever. Pipes...omg.
Exactly. If we promoted this right, we could solve 3 birds with 1 stone. Pass the FairTax, (force illegal aliens while here to pay the same taxes as US citizens), legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade (shut down illegal alien controlled drug gangs working for illegal foreign drug cartels and curtail the illegal aliens in our country running drugs drugs for this illegal enterprise by putting them out of business), reassign all LEO presently "looking for marijuana growing in the home" and "bongs" and wasting their time and our money arresting and prosecuting some poor dude for smoking pot or crack to the illegal alien and human smuggling operations, illegal alien labor networks, illegal alien document theft, identity theft, and all the other crimes they're involved with and our money would be much better spent, illegal immigration would dry up like a rain puddle in a desert, Americans would get their jobs back, go home with all their money and all their relatives presently in jail for non-violent drug charges would be set free to rejoin their families and help support them by going back to work.
It' a win-win-win deal. So it's definitely time for simple pragmatic solutions that solve multiple problems with 1 strategy, to improve life, liberty and working conditions for American Workers with 2 policy changes that stop illegal immigration and tax illegal aliens while they're here while denying them all benefits.
Ditto ...all that you said above. Also some of the DEA agents could be assigned to watch pedophiles when they are released. With the extra manpower, situations like the JayCee Dugard tragedy might be avoided.
DEA agents already have investigative and surveillence skills and that could be put to much better use. There is actually a shortage of good law enforcement in some sectors. Their talent is being wasted. And the jails are full of people who need treatment and are not getting it. So in and out they go and their root problems are never solved through being in jail.
If poor working conditions and lack of job security were addressed in this country maybe less people would be on drugs in the first place. It seems to me that in the past when people could build something during their life and could count on their job....there seemed to be much less drug and alcohol addiction.
Now we have a very depressing situation. Low pay, poor working conditions and lack of job security. And many dont have access to healthcare. Depressed wages has something to do with that. If wages had kept up with the cost of living over the years then people would be able to afford healthcare just like they did in the past.
Exactly. Only 2% of the population is addicted to drugs, the same 2% that was addicted in 1913 when they passed the first drug laws. Whether the drugs are legal and as safe as possible or illegal and as unsafe as they can be, there's a certain percentage of our population that has this propensity. It's just who they are and the craving for them will drive them to it whether it's legal or illegal. That's been all we've learned about during the soon to be 100 Year War on Drugs. What we as a society have done to these people is far worse than what any drug did to them. We stole their liberty, their livelihoods, their families and cast them into a trash bin, abandoned them, called them names, threw them out of the house, locked them up, and killed thousands of them in the process. For what purpose again? I ask that question a lot and no one really knows the answer so they blurt out "for their own good". And just how is stealing someone's liberty, livelihood, family, future and often their life in their own good?
The War on Drugs was a well-intentioned program that became a total perversion of anything we can consider decent. It's become both indecent and immoral.
".....for their own good...."
That is what really scares me about this country sometimes....about this government to be more specific. They all decide on a mantra and then inflict it on the citizenry. Once they get entrenched in a mantra, they just all follow like robots and no one really examines the progress or effectiveness of that path until it causes so much destruction that it can no longer continue. They dont seem to get it that they are incarcerating ILL PEOPLE. It is wasting money and lives. Would we send someone to jail to be cured of cancer? Um...no. So why do we do it with addicts? IT DOES NOT WORK. I know I am preaching to the choir...lol. But it drives me nuts how they stay on a path that obviously leads nowhere.
That is what really scares me about this country sometimes....about this government to be more specific. They all decide on a mantra and then inflict it on the citizenry. Once they get entrenched in a mantra, they just all follow like robots and no one really examines the progress or effectiveness of that path until it causes so much destruction that it can no longer continue. They dont seem to get it that they are incarcerating ILL PEOPLE. It is wasting money and lives. Would we send someone to jail to be cured of cancer? Um...no. So why do we do it with addicts? IT DOES NOT WORK. I know I am preaching to the choir...lol. But it drives me nuts how they stay on a path that obviously leads nowhere.
I know. It's sad, tragic, dangerous and I'm convinced taking a terrible toll on our society for no valid reason whatsoever. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject:
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY ARE ILLEGAL TO IMPORT.
C.B.P. News Release
Instead of Christmas Ornaments, CBP Officials in Los Angeles Discover Drug Paraphernalia
(Thursday, November 19, 2009)
Los Angeles - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials at Los Angeles/Long Beach seaport complex seized 860 boxes of drug paraphernalia arriving from China in a sea container. The domestic value of the shipment is estimated to be more than $2.6 million.
It is illegal to import, export or sell any type of drug paraphernalia in the United States. On November 17, CBP officers seized 316,068 pieces of drug paraphernalia, which were being imported to the United States.
“CBP is devoted to prevent the entry of drugs and drug paraphernalia from entering the United States,” said Jeannette Lewis, CBP acting director of Field Operations. “These are 316,068 pieces of drug paraphernalia which will not make it to the streets,” Lewis added.
CBP has a multi-layer approach to target containers inbound to the United States.
This particular shipment was selected for inspection before the shipment arrived from overseas. The commodity was described as glass figures and Christmas ornaments but the highly decorated glass pipes did not fool CBP officials. Drug pipes and bongs tend to be very decorative with bright colors and designs to attract young people.
The term paraphernalia refers to any equipment, product or material of any kind, which is primarily intended or designed for use in introducing into the human body a controlled substance. The items will be destroyed.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.
Contacts For This News Release
Cristina Gamez
CBP Public Affairs
Phone: (562) 980-3200 Ext: 127
I certainly hope they don't ban toilet paper roll cardboard! Not as elegant but a lot cheaper. And it is recycling something that would end up in the trash. _________________ Immigration is not a right that belongs to anybody and everybody who wants to come here. It is a privilege we Americans alone decide to convey. - Patrick J. Buchanan
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY ARE ILLEGAL TO IMPORT.
C.B.P. News Release
Instead of Christmas Ornaments, CBP Officials in Los Angeles Discover Drug Paraphernalia
(Thursday, November 19, 2009)
Los Angeles - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials at Los Angeles/Long Beach seaport complex seized 860 boxes of drug paraphernalia arriving from China in a sea container. The domestic value of the shipment is estimated to be more than $2.6 million.
It is illegal to import, export or sell any type of drug paraphernalia in the United States. On November 17, CBP officers seized 316,068 pieces of drug paraphernalia, which were being imported to the United States.
“CBP is devoted to prevent the entry of drugs and drug paraphernalia from entering the United States,” said Jeannette Lewis, CBP acting director of Field Operations. “These are 316,068 pieces of drug paraphernalia which will not make it to the streets,” Lewis added.
CBP has a multi-layer approach to target containers inbound to the United States.
This particular shipment was selected for inspection before the shipment arrived from overseas. The commodity was described as glass figures and Christmas ornaments but the highly decorated glass pipes did not fool CBP officials. Drug pipes and bongs tend to be very decorative with bright colors and designs to attract young people.
The term paraphernalia refers to any equipment, product or material of any kind, which is primarily intended or designed for use in introducing into the human body a controlled substance. The items will be destroyed.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.
Contacts For This News Release
Cristina Gamez
CBP Public Affairs
Phone: (562) 980-3200 Ext: 127
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
Sheriff's Department Raids Two Local Smoke Shops - 420 MagazineAfter a several months-long undercover investigation, the San Diego County Sheriff's ... Website: Sheriff's Department Raids Two Local Smoke Shops ...
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Seven East County smoke shops raided
Jan 21, 2009 ... EL CAJON – Seven East County smoke shops were raided by police and sheriff's deputies starting Wednesday afternoon in the latest of several law enforcement raids ... More than 160 San Diego holiday events, and counting ...
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North County smoke shops raided by authorities
Dec 19, 2008 ... ESCONDIDO — Authorities raided smoke shops in three North County ... Wednesday, the Sheriff's Department served search warrants in San Marcos and Vista. ... rik A. Weichelt, president of the San Diego Association of ...
www3.signonsandiego.com/.../bn19smoke142839-shops-raided/
These are all old links. What ever happened with these cases? Just because they raided them does not mean anyone was ever convicted of a crime? Where are the links that show the outcome?
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject:
vortex wrote:
I certainly hope they don't ban toilet paper roll cardboard! Not as elegant but a lot cheaper. And it is recycling something that would end up in the trash.
LOOOOL!!!! If you use it to smoke drugs....it is already illegal!! Anything with drug residue on it. LOL...your toilet paper could be ILLEGAL!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
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It is not drug paraphanealia UNTIL IT HAS BEEN USED FOR DRUGS.
You can say that as many times as you want, but they still seized 316,000 bongs as drug paraphernalia and they are going to destroy all of them.
Someone is out the cost of making them and the cost of shipping them from China to the U.S.
That is not the point and you know it. Pipes are still not illegal....and not paraphanelia unless used for drugs. That makes the seizure illegal. That is the point. So there is something else going on. Maybe the transporter is also a drug dealer and they want to make an extra dent in their operation. Maybe the receiver is an illegal and cant go to court to get the property back....who knows what is going on. The fact remains that pipes are not automatically drug paraphanelia.
First, they are only doing this in one tiny section of the country. And the gang task force was involved. So it is not about the pipes, but the gangs. They just want to put a big azzed dent in their operation. Good for them. But, according to the DEA site, pipes are not illegal unless used for drugs. Thats the point.
I certainly hope they don't ban toilet paper roll cardboard! Not as elegant but a lot cheaper. And it is recycling something that would end up in the trash.
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:
butterbean wrote:
vortex wrote:
I certainly hope they don't ban toilet paper roll cardboard! Not as elegant but a lot cheaper. And it is recycling something that would end up in the trash.
Joined: Aug 05, 2008 Posts: 12572 Location: PARADISE (San Diego)
Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:01 pm Post subject:
redpony353 wrote:
JohnDoe2 wrote:
Quote:
It is not drug paraphanealia UNTIL IT HAS BEEN USED FOR DRUGS.
You can say that as many times as you want, but they still seized 316,000 bongs as drug paraphernalia and they are going to destroy all of them.
Someone is out the cost of making them and the cost of shipping them from China to the U.S.
That is not the point and you know it. Pipes are still not illegal....and not paraphanelia unless used for drugs. That makes the seizure illegal. That is the point. So there is something else going on. Maybe the transporter is also a drug dealer and they want to make an extra dent in their operation. Maybe the receiver is an illegal and cant go to court to get the property back....who knows what is going on. The fact remains that pipes are not automatically drug paraphanelia.
First, they are only doing this in one tiny section of the country. And the gang task force was involved. So it is not about the pipes, but the gangs. They just want to put a big azzed dent in their operation. Good for them. But, according to the DEA site, pipes are not illegal unless used for drugs. Thats the point.
Please give us a link to the law that authorizes federal agents to seize and destroy "LEGAL" merchandise.
Hint: You can't because there isn't one.
If the merchandise was legal they wouldn't be (in your own words) "a gang", they would be "BUSINESSMEN", "in the import/export business".
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From th U.S. Department of Justice
Drug Paraphernalia Factsheet
Under the Federal Drug Paraphernalia Statute, which is part of the Controlled Substances Act, it is illegal to possess, sell, transport, import, ...
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