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Maybe somebody should remind Lou how he used to feel about amnesty.
Dobbs: Voters won't tolerate 'axis of amnesty'
POSTED: 8:20 a.m. EDT, September 7, 2006
By Lou Dobbs
CNN
Editor's note: Lou Dobbs' commentary appears every Wednesday on CNN.com.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Hang on, the political thrill ride is about to begin. Are you ready? I know I am. And it's gonna be a hoot.
Our midterm elections are now two months away, and congressional, senatorial and gubernatorial campaigns are about to shift into high gear. After five weeks at home with their constituents, or at least some of them, our elected representatives are now back in session in Washington and fully armed with an understanding of the will of the people, ready to do the people's business.
Their first order of business? Why, to announce there will be no business done in this session of Congress on the critically important issues of border security and immigration reform. Can you feel the excitement?
Congressional and Senate Republicans have discovered that Karl Rove and his friend, President George W. Bush, not only don't have a clue when it comes to their favored "comprehensive immigration reform" plans, but also that Rove and Bush's alliance with open borders Democrats represents an axis of amnesty that their constituents simply won't tolerate.
Our do-nothing Congress and our do-nothing-right president aren't exactly wildly popular to begin with. And the Congressional Republican leadership has figured out that in closely contested races, any legislation approximating amnesty for as many as 20 million illegal aliens in this country will amount to wholesale defeat at the polls on November 7.
Even the pro-illegal alien and open borders lobby has finally arrived at the conclusion that the American people won't tolerate an illegal alien population demanding the same rights as American citizens. And the in-your-face enthusiasm of illegal aliens and their amnesty-advocate supporters has waned as the public understanding of the facts has risen.
This weekend, according to the AP, a pro-illegal alien rally in Los Angeles, California, drew fewer than 1,000 people, several hundred-thousand fewer than the rally held there just four months ago. In Phoenix, Arizona, where more than 100,000 illegal aliens and their supporters took to the streets in the spring, AP quoted organizers who estimated 5,000 showed up for a so-called labor solidarity march.
This trend was apparent all across the country this Labor Day weekend: AP reported only 3,000 people gathered in Chicago, Illinois. In San Francisco and Oakland the San Jose Mercury News reported crowds of only 3,000 and 2,500 respectively. And in Dallas, Texas, the AP reports only 500 people assembled for their demonstration. That's not exactly an overwhelming turnout.
But public knowledge of the costs of illegal immigration is overwhelming the propagandists of corporate America, ethnocentric special interests, the White House and President Bush's Democratic amnesty partners in the U.S. Senate.
The leaders of the nation's principal labor unions are obviously confused. They're now caught between trying to bolster their membership rolls by backing the Rove-Bush-Reid-McCain-Kennedy amnesty legislation and explaining to their existing members what they're doing to preserve the jobs and wage levels of American citizens. Add national labor leaders to the list of those simply out of touch with the will of the American people.
Labor leaders, Bush and Rove join Cardinal Roger Mahoney, the head of the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, who all apparently believe the interests of the illegal alien population transcend the law of the land and the interest of the American people.
Mahoney is enjoying precisely the same success as his fellow elitists: The illegal alien lobby that had been declaring "Today we march, tomorrow we vote" at every rally has not produced a tangible increase in new voter registration anywhere in the country.
The open borders lobby and amnesty advocates had hoped to form a new voter bloc to sway elections, but the Associated Press reports there's no indication of a new voter boom in Los Angeles; Chicago; Denver, Colorado; Houston, Texas, or any other city that held large pro-illegal alien rallies only months ago. This weekend's fizzled marches not only failed to energize significant numbers of people to register to vote, but they also didn't even persuade them to show up.
The leadership of this do-nothing Congress is right to do nothing in support of "comprehensive immigration reform," which are simply code words for illegal alien amnesty, open borders and the national interest be damned.
Unfortunately, we have too large of a problem to even consider reaching out to make the felons (those here illegally) and their proponents.
Here's a solution I would embrace. All those who support giving illegal aliens a new path to US citizenship can trade their Passport and Citizenship with the illegal alien of their choice, with no dual citizenship allowed.
You can go first Lou.
Great Idea! _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: Apr 14, 2006 Posts: 696 Location: Virginia
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:30 am Post subject:
I am late getting back to the board this evening and have just read the comments on the podcast between William and Lou Dobbs.
I was one of the ones who posted that I would like to wait for clarification about what he had said with "the one who spoke for all Latinos"
It was so hard to believe that he is now saying he wants a Pathway to Citizenship, after all the years of him talking against Illegal immigration.
I am saddened that he has disappointed all of us who supported him here at ALIPAC and all across the country.
I still believe William and all of ALIPAC took the high ground by waiting a couple of days to have William speak with Mr. Dobbs. I perfectly understood everyone's dissapointment, shock and anger.
I see on the boards that you did a Fantastic job W. I'll be waiting to have a chance to hear the podcast and what William had to say to him.
After that I do not care to listen to anything else Mr. Dobbs has to say!
Absolutely NO Pathway to Citizenship. NO Amnesty of any sort.
That is what I believed when I joined ALIPAC and my convictions are even stronger now.
Time to take down the Pledge Page!
Joined: May 29, 2005 Posts: 755 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:37 am Post subject:
Where's the link to the podcast? I'd like to hear William and Lou. _________________ .
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I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
~Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
Where's the link to the podcast? I'd like to hear William and Lou.
The only way to listen to the podcast is to be a paying member of Lou's radio show. But even then, I don't know if it could be transferred on here. This is new on his site. It used to be free to listen to the podcasts in the archives. W is probably working on a way to get a copy.
I am late getting back to the board this evening and have just read the comments on the podcast between William and Lou Dobbs.
I was one of the ones who posted that I would like to wait for clarification about what he had said with "the one who spoke for all Latinos"
It was so hard to believe that he is now saying he wants a Pathway to Citizenship, after all the years of him talking against Illegal immigration.
I am saddened that he has disappointed all of us who supported him here at ALIPAC and all across the country.
I still believe William and all of ALIPAC took the high ground by waiting a couple of days to have William speak with Mr. Dobbs. I perfectly understood everyone's dissapointment, shock and anger.
I see on the boards that you did a Fantastic job W. I'll be waiting to have a chance to hear the podcast and what William had to say to him.
After that I do not care to listen to anything else Mr. Dobbs has to say!
Absolutely NO Pathway to Citizenship. NO Amnesty of any sort.
That is what I believed when I joined ALIPAC and my convictions are even stronger now.
Time to take down the Pledge Page!
Yes, I was also one who wanted to give Lou a chance to clarify, and he did, he supports amnesty which means he's not fit to hold public office in the United States, not even Dog Catcher.
Buh Bye, Lou. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
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Dobbs was predictable...defending himself and offering no real answers. I did not follow him much before as I am a "radio person" for news, but we need to move on from this now. We have one year and three years to keep working. Those who want to follow Dobbs...go ahead. The rest need to keep pushing ahead. _________________ It's immoral to vote for any candidate who is not going to uphold the fundamental tenets of our Constitution.
Dobbs was predictable...defending himself and offering no real answers. I did not follow him much before as I am a "radio person" for news, but we need to move on from this now. We have one year and three years to keep working. Those who want to follow Dobbs...go ahead. The rest need to keep pushing ahead.
Absolutely. We need to push on at the local and state level, start asking our Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and State Troopers to enforce US immigration law as is their duty under USC Title 8, Chapter 12 ... Section 1324, and start arresting and deporting. We need to deputize about 2,500,000 unemployed, underemployed and even employed Americans to assist them and working together get these people who aren't supposed to be here out of here. We have 3,140 Sheriffs Departments and over 19,000 Municipal Police Departments plus 50 State Highway Patrols. Together we can get this done, get it done pronto and by 2012, there won't be any illegal aliens left in the United States drying up these Traitors Amnesty For Votes like a raisin on the roof in July.
We'll also need legalize/regulate/tax under the FairTax the illegal drug trade and that "flow" over the borders will dry up like water hole in the Sahara in August and illegal immigration will become just a bad memory having been replaced with the good memory of how this generation of Americans took their country back. Then in 2012 we'll throw all these traitors out of office and send them to a Soup Line with a Traitors Pink Slip clipped to their collars where they can grovel for some soup and a biscuit. And you know what? Those Soup Kitchens may not want to serve them either, since they're the ones who used illegal immigration and free trade treason to put millions of Good Americans in those Soup Lines to begin with.
_________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Don't know how long it will be there but W came on almost half way through the broadcast.
Lou is talking compromise now so guess he's being groomed well to be a future politican who talks out of both sides of their mouth. _________________ Why aren't our immigration laws enforced?
I have never been so shocked by someone I had listened to and believed in for so many years.
Time to write Lou Dobbs off and do what ALIPAC does best without groveling Politicians.
Thank you Shad. Onward and Upward. Time for US to stop pandering to these worthless national politicians and start rubbing up to our Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and State Troopers. They have the power to do what we want which is arrest and deport illegal aliens. They have the law, the Constitution, the duty, the equipment, the vehicles, access to E-Verify, knowledge of who's who within their populations, warrants, jails, courts, judges, etc., etc., etc., so all they need is Citizen Deputies to solve the manpower/womenpower issue and we'll get this done while the Feds are still trying to figure out which ass they were suppose to kiss. Well, they'll find out soon enough.
_________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: Jan 27, 2009 Posts: 1427 Location: A Midwest State in North AmeXica
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:44 am Post subject:
Lou Dobbs has redefined the word "traitor" for me. I have NEVER felt this betrayed by a public figure.
I've called Juan McCain and Lindsey Grahamnesty traitors, and they are. I've called Luis Gutierrze and Janet Reno traitors to the American people and the Constitution, and they are.
But frankly, Lou Dobbs is a traitor on a whole new level. WORSE even than any of them. At least the rest of them have been fairly consistent. McCain and Grahamnesty are RINOs, but they are consistently RINOs. I don't think either have claimed for years to be against amnesty, then suddenly switched camps, all the while denying they were ever against it.
I hope Dobbs' radio show TANKS. He doesn't deserve ANY listeners. I hope he can't even get elected to a local school board. I hope his career is over. Completely. He makes me sick.
Joined: Jun 17, 2007 Posts: 3056 Location: SW Florida
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:45 am Post subject:
To be honest I don't know what I would do if my famiy was getting death threats and someone shot at my house.
My anger is aimed at the Pro-Illegal crowd on the streets and in our Government who protect IA's and have soo embolden them they think they can act in any manner they please,including threatening the lives of anyone who opposes them.
Here in SW Florida 3 Police officers who were called to a IA domestic dispute were surrounded by a mob of their neighbor IA's weilding knives,crowbars and other weapons because they thought the Police were there to arrest the IA's.
The Police calmed the IA group down by assuring them NO ONE would be arrested for being Illegal and sure enough they got away with their potential mob actions.NO ONE was arrested and no charges were filed ???
Do you think if citizens acted in such a violent manner they would not be charged ????
Lou has made a choice for whatever reason and IMHO it is time for us to just let Lou alone and focus on our fight to get our country back.
Don't know how long it will be there but W came on almost half way through the broadcast.
Lou is talking compromise now so guess he's being groomed well to be a future politican who talks out of both sides of their mouth.
Thanks Jean. For others wanting to listen - William starts around 47:30, just after commercial break.
Great job William! You didn't let him weasel and worm his way out of everything, like he was trying to do. Great job telling it like it is with the ethnocentrists like LaRaza THE Race, MALDEF, etc.
Outstanding job William. You gave the best points. We cannot compromise. A 1986 amnesty went from 3 million illegal aliens to upwards of 20 million. And what about the millions of births of anchor babies who can sponsor more illegal aliens for citizenship. We are looking at an increase of millions within the blink of an eye, and a dramatic demographic change for the United States.
Lou mentioned the word "purity" in regards to Alipac. We need purity, and we do not need compromise or bridge building with Maldef, La Raza, or open border lobbyists.
How can we ever overcome illegal immigration if we ever consider some form of citizenship for lawbreakers who will influence voting through the Democrat label? And then the ongoing family reunification that would be endless and result in millions more coming. We would be Mexico, and anywhere else that numerous people coming would create.
William made a great point when he talked about all of the broadcasts that Mr. Dobbs spoke, and nowhere did Alipac or others notice that Lou was for some type of path to citizenship.
You were very polite William, and very firm. You went directly to the heart of the matter. No tiptoeing around. You know the issue, and you gave the facts. Lou Dobbs' views are not compatible with the views of Alipac.
On a side note- What are Michelle Malkin's thoughts on this? She was another guest, and I did not get a sense that she was upset about this clarification.
Psalm 139:14
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I just listened to the entire show. Not only has Lou Dobbs clarified that he supports amnesty, he specifically opposes deportations. Not only did Lou Dobbs clarify his position on illegal immigration, he also clarified it on free trade treason. In his discussion with the guy from Rhode Island, Lou doesn't want to talk any more about protecting our trade or even use the words "protect" or "protectionism", he wants to talk about creating jobs by increasing our exports.
First, you can not stop illegal immigration if you legalize illegal aliens under any condition, give illegal aliens a path to citizenship under any circumstance, and refuse to deport illegal aliens. To even claim you're opposed to illegal immigration with that position is a farce, the worst case of double-speak I've run across in this debate from anyone in the past 5 years I've been following it. I've moved from disappointment to sheer shock at the total absurdity of this position.
Second, the US can't create jobs when we continue to ship them out of the country faster than we can count them under Free Trade Treason. The US can't increase its exports in relation to imports under current trade policies, which means our exports will never exceed our imports without Protectionist Trade Policies. To claim you are against Free Trade as Lou Dobbs has claimed for years but today doesn't even want to use the terms Protect and Protectionism and instead wants to call it "job creation by increasing exports" is as farcical as his claim that he wants to stop illegal immigration by supporting legalization and opposing deportation.
These are Lou Dobbs Absurdities that are exploding my brain. Within a week of leaving CNN, Lou has clarified that he not only supports amnesty, he also supports free trade treason, which means Lou Dobbs is a globalist.
William, you were terrific! Truly. Outstanding job. You made US very proud. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: May 29, 2005 Posts: 755 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: Thank You William for OUTING Lou!
I was able to listen to the entire broadcast through the "archives" link.
William did an exemplary job of cutting immediately to the chase and putting Dobbs on notice that ALIPAC is not ready to compromise its stance...not one iota.
To be honest...Lou has ALWAYS talked about, "securing the ports and borders first"and then coming to some "fair and humane compromise to allow certain illegal aliens to remain here after jumping through some hoops, paiyng fines, learning English, etc. I heard him say it on many occasions, maybe not in so many words, but I heard it and it always confused me about him and his stance, but he would then get back on track and expose all the dark corners of illegal immigration and emphasize that something needed to be done to restore the rule of law in this country. In hindsight, I think that was a tactic that he used all along to confuse the issue, a sort of "subliminal" disclaimer, if you will, to get ratings, but also to be able to have wiggle room if La Raza ever got on his case. They hate him for exposing the truth about them and illegal immigration and now We the People aren't happy with him for bluring the lines of right and wrong in the immigration debate.
We ALL, anti-illegal immigration groups and open borders groups heard what we wanted to hear from Lou and he played the TV mindf_ _ k game flawlessly. La Raza loves to be offended and have something to scream, "Discrimination" about and they got just that from Lou Dobbs...they love to hate and blame him for their troubles in getting legislation passed for their homies and he's as White as they come, so he made a good whipping boy for their cause. We on the other hand, were looking for a hero, leader, someone who believed in the rule of law and front man for our cause to save this nation's, culture, customs, sovereignty and Constitution. We rallied around him and went to bat for him when La Raza went after him, but front man? Hero for our cause? After that interview with William today...CLEARLY...Lou ain't it.
Thank you William for OUTING LOU! I have never heard him dance around and speak so fluently and smoothly out of both corners of his mouth and some other orafice I won't mention here. BUT HE DID today while speaking to you and you shoved him into a corner. He's a politician alright, to the core it seems. I'm now ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.
We aren't going to be able to find anyone to take up this cause that's involved in the mainstream. I don't think Palin will go there and now we know for certain, Dobbs isn't going to. So who will? Will William be seriously thinking about running for office? It's going to take a REAL grassroots effort to beat these people at their own game. _________________ .
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I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
~Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
It shows one of two things to me. First, that the Lou Dobbs show was entirely fake for all these years, or Dobbs is being blackmailed and fearful for his life. Strange things happen to some people when bullits fly through their windows.
Excellent job William!!!! Nothing like the truth to clear the smoke!
Lou is an excellent waffler and dancer around the truth. ALIPAC will not compromise...........well said William!!!
Lou Dobbs
he is not left,
he is not right
he has checked out of the fight _________________ The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing- Albert Einstein
Joined: Apr 24, 2006 Posts: 1910 Location: Stronghold of Suffolk County N.Y.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:45 am Post subject:
Lou Dobbs claims his stance was such that legalization was possible under certain circumstances. Now he's reaching out to the OBL crowd to find a solution? Why didn't he do this years ago. It's simple, he flip flopped and IS for Amnesty. W did a good job. BTW Michelle Malkin does not support Amnesty under any conditions, her stance is in alignment with ALIPAC's Charter.
Joined: Dec 14, 2005 Posts: 561 Location: Harford County, Maryland (Aberdeen)
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:56 am Post subject:
Great job William!
Looking back at it now, Lou was never specific on his beliefs. He was very general. He was against an unconditional amnesty, but in looking back at it, you could infer from his tone that he was for some sort of conditional amnesty. Up until this past week, that never really occurred to me. I just associated him with those whose viewpoint was like that of ALIPAC. That was a mistake on my part. In hearing all of the talk about secure borders and ports, I just lumped him into those on our side.
At least we know now where he stands. I couldn't support him for a public office after hearing the podcast.
Lou has the gift of charisma, but a large enough percentage of Latinos don't like him (that's my guess), and now, our side doesn't care for him, so he's probably not going to win any large elections (like for U.S. Senate). I say just move on. I will credit him for bringing some of these problems to light over the years. It did take boldness to do that.
Joined: May 22, 2006 Posts: 2669 Location: Houston, Texas
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:41 am Post subject:
Dianne wrote:
It shows one of two things to me. First, that the Lou Dobbs show was entirely fake for all these years, or Dobbs is being blackmailed and fearful for his life. Strange things happen to some people when bullits fly through their windows.
Either way, I have ZERO respect for the man. My guess is that his show was just that "show business." Anything for a good rating and more advertising dollars. He probably did get some threats but I have my doubts about that too. Probablymore "show business." In any case, if he were a man with any kind of back bone, he would stand up to those who made the threats and not cave in, stand up for his beliefs and protect his family with all he has. Exactly what I would have done. _________________ Certified Member
The Sons of the Republic of Texas
Just listened to the podcast. What a great job William. _________________ The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. Plato
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