Rebuking latest crazy Slander from Jim Gilchrist

ALIPAC

This is being prepared to send to the pro amnesty groups that are promoting new false statements made by Jim Gilchrist who heads up the practically defunct Minuteman Project which has had no significant operations since 2006 despite continued attempted fund raising.

Jim Gilchrist is reacting negatively to a new picture of him posing at the border with Shawna Forde who has been accused of double homicide including the murder of a 9 year old little girl.

Here is the picture that Gilchrist is upset about...

In his response to the pro Amnesty groups, Jim Gilchrist makes the following false claims.

JIM GILCHRIST CLAIMS:

" She was also actively solicited by William Gheen of ALIPAC to act as a fund raiser for him in the Seattle area. She said she refused Gheen’s offers and wanted to work alone…to have her own group."

"When Forde claimed to be a victim of a beating and attempted rape, and then a shooting, in Washington state back in December 2008 and January of 2009, William Gheen of ALIPAC, Jeff Schwilk of SDMM, Brook Young of the defunct Immigration Watchdog (N. Hollywood, Ca.), and Chelene Nightingale of the defunct Save Our State (SOS) in Los Angeles launched an vicious and relentless internet email and blogging campaign designed to emotionally bludgeon Forde into oblivion.

While I make no excuse for Forde’s ALLEGED involvement in the home invasion robbery/homicide for which she is being charged, I do put some of the blame for her ALLEGED errant behavior on the shoulders of William Gheen, Jeff Schwilk, Brook Young, and Chelene Nightingale for their deliberate and vile actions toward Forde that, in my opinion, may very well have pushed her over the emotional edge, culminating in her ALLEGED involvement in ALLEGED criminal activity.

As a victim myself of similar email and blogging hate campaigns sponsored by these delusional and incurably mean propagandists, it is my opinion that as long as these kinds of people are involved in the immigration law enforcement advocacy movement it’s future success is very bleak. "

Source Link...
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These statements are demonstrably false because ALIPAC has never solicited fund raisers period. All funds are raised in the open on our website and with e-mails to those that sign up for our alerts. As the open records show on our FEC reports and here at ALIPAC, we have never asked any other individual or group to raise funds for us.

ALIPAC's first contact with Shawna Forde came in the form of an e-mail to my private e-mail account that I assume was given to her by Jim Gilchrist. Forde's e-mail came during one of the many exchanges where other leaders in our movement tried to reign in or quarantine the inappropriate behavior of Jim Gilchrist and his few remaining supporters.

Shawna Forde's first e-mail to me was attacking ALIPAC claiming she had never heard of us. The e-mail was in defense of Jim Gilchrist.

Shawna Forde was assigned the tittle of Border Operations Manager or something similar by Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project.

ALIPAC's main involvement with Shawna Forde was when we took actions to prevent the circulation Shawna's claims and photos of an alleged rape being circulated by Jim Gilchrist of Minuteman Project and Glenn Spencer of American Patrol.

It was clear to our analysts that both Shawna Forde's claims and her pictures were fictitious and being used for attempted fund raising by Minuteman Project which had already displayed unscrupulous tactics many times before.

It is our understanding that both Jim Gilchrist and Glenn Spencer have been questioned by law enforcement in regards to their association with Shawna Forde. ALIPAC has never been questioned by law enforcement. We have sent all of our documentation dealing with trying to stop Shawna Forde and her financial patron Jim Gilchrist from causing harm to our movement and issue.

It is my firm opinion that Jim Gilchrist if finally starting to realize that he has completely destroyed himself in the eyes of the immigration enforcement movement with the exception of a few castaways and people on his fund raising mailing list that have not learned of his partnership with Shawna Forde.... YET.

What he does not realize is that each time he decides to lie about ALIPAC and try to displace blame on us for his own failures, we will take the time to work more on making sure that more people know the truth about Jim Gilchrist, Glenn Spencer, and their partner Shawna Forde.

These steps are necessary to make sure that we all work as hard as possible to hold people accountable and to do our best to prevent anyone like Shawna Forde from harming people or important issues again.

In this case, Jim Gilchrist worked hard to promote and support Shawna Forde and ALIPAC worked hard to stop or limit Jim Gilchrist and Shawna Forde prior to the murders and afterward.

Those are the facts,

William Gheen
President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
www.alipac.us

(Source Link Responding to: http://tinyurl.com/yjnlcuo

April · ALIPAC Executive Officer Joined: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 22703

The more desperate he becomes the nuttier he gets!!! Rolling Eyes

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Judy · ALIPAC Super Hero Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 13881

No one believes that tripe. It's good to deny these false statements about ALIPAC and the horrid lies about William and respond to these ridiculously false claims but not to worry. Americans are awake now. They know who is real and who isn't and they're going to find out before they draw a conclusion. Jim Gilchrist should hang it up and retire.
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93camaro · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject:

That is total garbage!!! Mad

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vortex · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject:

Poor soul does not realize that his descent into delusion is obvious to so many.
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tinybobidaho · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject:

What an idiot Jim Gilchrist is. Rolling Eyes

Ratbstard · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject:

As my grandmother used to say, "What a Whack-a-Doodle."
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ryantheray · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Nov 17, 2009 Posts: 5

There is stupidity coming from all sides. Figure out who is the real enemy. You're all falling into divide and conquer.

Mayday · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject:

Hylander_1314 · Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject:

This guy needs to start taking thorizine (spelling?) He's outta control like he's on a dog-gone bender or somethin'.
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Reciprocity · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:09 am Post subject:

This guy is still around? Laughing

SOSADFORUS · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:57 am Post subject:

We know who the real enemy is, Jim G is one of them along with LaRaza and the rest of the ethnocentric radical racist groups out there.
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Bowman · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject:

Floorguy · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject:

Who is Jim Gilchrist?

I personally have never heard of him, until this thread.

But then again, I'm a newbie compared to the majority of Americans for Legal Immigration.

Off to educate myself, just who this thug is.
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ryantheray · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Nov 17, 2009 Posts: 5

vortex · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject:

Surely, you jest, ryantheray.
Gilchrist has been seeking self-serving attention since day one.
And it is not being divided and conquered, as you suggest, but winnowing out those with personal motives rather than the common good of this country.
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ALIPAC · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject:

Ratbstard · Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject:

Well stated W.
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Judy · ALIPAC Super Hero Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 13881

ryantheray · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Nov 17, 2009 Posts: 5

William let's be honest here, those 80 organizations don't all really exist anymore. You and I both know that MANY are now defunct and/or only consist of one person to begin with. But it does make is sound good to quote there are 80.

And having a cheering section is nice for the ego, yet it's those that actually do the work by lobbying or getting out in the streets that are the real heroes. The battle of egos or what every 'name' you want to give it, is not in the interest of the cause and discredits all those that have worked so hard to bring the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront.

William you have done more than your share of the effort, and deserve to be applauded for it, but you didn't do it alone and neither did Gilchrist. Your bashing each other shows a lack of respect for those of us who are in the background and have done nothing to deserve the damage the infighting is causing.

This is not about a squabble between those leading the anti-illegal immigration cause. It's not about you William or Jim, it's about getting the next amnesty stopped. And with the White House repacked with open boarders sympathizers, we will have a battle like never before.

I'm not saying the two of you need to hold hands and sing kumaya together, but it does no one any good to continue discrediting other because it lands up discrediting us all.

And by the way, you did a very nice job of handling Lou Dobbs on the radio the other day. My hat is off to you. That's what a leader should do and is the kind of stuff that will put us ahead.

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ryantheray · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Nov 17, 2009 Posts: 5

I just thought I might also add that you can go ahead and ban me. I know stating my opinion on this matter would not be welcomed. I have no interest in being a cheerleader for either you William or Jim. Since I know where the bodies are buried I have no interest in digging them up, we will are see the issues end within the next year anyway. Let's hope it doesn't end in an amnesty.

ALIPAC · Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:37 am Post subject:

If you really knew so much ryantheray then you would be aware that Jim Gilchrist was sending out hate emails against people in his own organization during the battles against the amnesty bills in 2006 and 2007.

When he was interviewed by Todd Hartley of Phoenix News, Jim Gilchrist tried to talk as if he had played some major role in the defeat of the legislation but it became very clear in the interview that Jim Gilchrist did not even know what had just happened.

So for you to post about Jim Gilchrist as if he ever was a benefit to defeating amnesty in the past, or for you to post as if he would be any benefit to our cause now that his border operations manager has been charged with the murder of a 9 year old little girl is....

INSANE!

And since you are speaking so insanely, we must raise the high possibility that you are in fact one of Jim Gilchrist's last remaining supporters.

Anyone else around here agree with ryantheray? Speak freely folks, if anyone agrees with him go ahead and speak out.

Sure, some of the 80 groups that signed the letter against Gilchrist have gone on but he is still burnt political toast with every other sane group that knows about him.

W

April · ALIPAC Executive Officer Joined: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 22703

Ratbstard · Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:55 am Post subject:

W, I fear you have slandered Burnt Toast.
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ryantheray · ALIPAC New Recruit! Joined: Nov 17, 2009 Posts: 5

William, you just don’t get it. It’s not about who did what or who’s wrong. Those who are just feeling the affects of this invasion and wanting to become active will see what both of you, you and Gilchrist, are doing and get turned off by the childishness of it. Most people don’t know the history of who did what and to whom, they just want to fight the next amnesty. Look outside of your circle, and see what you’re doing from the eyes of the public at large.

And I know that you and your cheerleaders feel the easiest way to discredit me is to attach me to Gilchrist. Wrong. I am no fan of Jim Gilchrist, never have been. But just because he’s been a fool so often, doesn’t dismiss your actions and childishness in participating in a campaign to discredit anyone you disagree with. It also makes you look like a fool. And it discourages many new people who may want to just get started in the fight against amnesty, but may not want to bother weeding through all the mud slinging and so they just decide to stay away. That’s what I’m reading on other blogs.

There is good propaganda and there is damaging. A wise person knows the difference. There is a time when it may be better to just walk away. Think about it. Chances are we have less than a year and this will all be over. Amnesty may pass, but many of us sure hope not. If that happens, then what will you do William? Tell yourself that the infighting had no effect on the outcome? Wrong, because is it having an effect, a negative effect.