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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: The Proof is in! Majority of Americans oppose Comprehensive
The Proof is in! Majority of Americans oppose "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" Amnesty!
May 8, 2008
by William Gheen
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)
We painfully watch as a few designer polls, that falsely claim a majority of Americans support "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" or a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens currently in the US, get a great deal of press in the print media. The large volume of polls that contradict this claim get little coverage in the media.
But now the proof is truly in, and I hope many will join with me in daring Congress to take up "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" in 2008. Come on Congress, make my day!
The reason this unpopular legislation failed last year and the reason Congress is reluctant to take the issue up during an election year is they know the truth is a majority of American reject changing the current laws to allow illegal aliens to stay in the US.
If the propaganda coming out of the mouths of open borders fanatics like Rep. Joe Baca, (D-CA) or Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) were true, then members of Congress would be rushing to bring the legislation to the floor and eager to campaign on it in the 2008 elections. The fact that members of Congress do not want to address the legislation or campaign on it is proof that a majority of Americans reject the legislation.
Furthermore, if a majority of Americans really favored "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" amnesty, then why have 35 states passed immigration enforcement only legislation over the first few months in 2008? Why would Michigan, Oregon, and Maine cut off licenses to illegal aliens?
While a small group of states have passed a very small volume of bills to assist illegal aliens, the trend is clear that 95% of the legislation is designed to detect and arrest illegal aliens, push them out of jobs, and stop them from driving or receiving taxpayer benefits!
According to today's article by Patricia Zapor titled 'States take up immigration bills; Congress stays on sidelines' state legislators have considered more than 1,100 bills already in 2008 and the vast majority are for enforcement and lacking the benefits described in the DC bills calling for reform.
This is because most of our state legislators know what the public wants and are responding with enforcement bills.
So we can see that the massive trend towards enforcement only laws passed by states during an election year, combined with Congress trying to pretend the bills don't exist are proof that the public mandate rejects "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"
In closing, I want to point out that we have hundreds of polls showing that nearly 80% of Americans want the borders secured, local police enforcing immigration laws, no licenses for illegal aliens, no taxpayer benefits for illegal aliens, and businesses that hire illegal aliens to be punished.
The "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" bills supported by Baca, Gutierrez, McCain, Kennedy, Graham, Martinez, Clinton, Obama etc. would override all of the existing laws, which are supported by the public in these polls. It is insanity to believe the fake assertion that 80% of Americans oppose licenses for illegal aliens, but would support a bill in Washington that would give them all licenses. Are we to believe that 80% of Americans want local police to enforce immigration laws, but not on the 12-20 million illegal aliens in the US after Comprehensive Immigration Reform passed? By what stretch of the imagination should anyone believe that 80% of Americans do not want taxpayer benefits going to illegal aliens but it would be OK to give them taxpayer benefits after they paid a small fine and signed up for a new ID under Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
The truth is that the overwhelming evidence proves that a super majority of Americans oppose Comprehensive Immigration Reform, Guest Worker Program, Temporary Worker Program, Path to Citizenship, etc... That is why the supporters of amnesty have to keep changing the name!
A majority of Americans support the enforcement of our existing immigration laws only, which results in illegal aliens returning home on their own or with government assistance.
Any lawmaker, candidate, reporter, activist, or organization that supports the current lack of enforcement of the existing laws, or supports the overthrow of these laws by passage of new legislation, which a majority of Americans oppose, is a traitor to the American republic and an enemy of the citizens of the United States.
"We The People of the United States" will hold each of you accountable for the lost American jobs, tax monies, and lives suffered because of your agenda. We will hold you accountable for attempting to overthrow our Republic for which our flag stands, destroying the self governance of our citizenry, and subjugating the American majority by depriving us of the power to decide policy in our own nation at the behest of Global corporations.
--- _________________ Vox populi vox Dei
Ad majorem Dei gloriam
I hope you like and approve of the article I'm releasing today. If so, please send copies and draft your own messages around to send to every lawmaker on every level. You might also consider sending this to talk show hosts and liberal newspaper reporters!
I hope you will find this of use and will deploy it for our cause.
Great letter W. I am getting it out starting right now.....will sent to MSM, and congress.
COME ON EVERYONE LETS GET THIS GREAT LETTER SPREAD FAR AND WIDE!! _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
Joined: Aug 17, 2007 Posts: 4443 Location: Indiana, formerly of Northern Cal
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:27 am Post subject:
Thank you W. If you have links to the polls, it would be helpful _________________ Proud American and wife of a wonderful <strong>LEGAL</strong> immigrant from Ireland.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing." -Edmund Burke (1729-1797)
Joined: Oct 31, 2007 Posts: 39 Location: California
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Majority of Americans oppose "Comprehensive Immigration
William what you say is true. The foreign power in control of our goverment understands that but have made their minds up to do as they wish with or without our support. We can play politics and get no where or take action and march across this great country.
I have never witnessed such a complete group of bonehead senators and congressman.
They could never in business get away with the none performance displayed Dailey. Frankly I am sick and tired of paying taxes to a group of people who cannot or will not preformed.
My e-mail to our elected officals:
80% of Americans want the fence built and demand that you support HR 4987. In addition we demand you enforce our immigration laws and that no Amnesty of any kind be granted. I personally don't care what you think. We the tax payers are paying you to fulfill our wishes that was the reason we put you in office and will be the reason we remove you from office if you do not comply. I have written , e-mailed and called trying to get your attention and have asked that you support the people of the United States. I am through asking I am telling you , do your job or step down.
It's one of three reasons that you feel you need not listen to the public.
1. You feel that you no better than the majority of Americans wants good for this country
2. You feel Americans do not have the power to remove you from office.
3. You are making more money through the backdoor than the front.
I don't care which of the three it is. Any choice of the three would make you wrong.
Build the fence grant No amnesty of any kind or get out!
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Illinois
Anyone in Illinois is welcome to contact me regarding organizing an effort to implement similar legislation here as has been done in so many other states, OK, AZ, GA, etc.
Did a copy & paste , plus added a little tag of mine .Got it send to Congressman Stearns , Senators Nelson and Martinez .
Now i look forward to "Form" letters _________________ Nam vet 1967/1970 Skull & Bones can KMA .Bless our Brothers that gave their all ..It also gives me the right to Vote for Chuck Baldwin 2008 POTUS . NOW or never
Please tell us how we can make the bobble heads in washington listen to us, We need a strong message that they can not dismisss. I keep hearing about how Americans want comrehensive immigration reform but all the people I talk to say they want them off our welfare rolls and out of our country so where are they getting these trumped up polls from?
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Myths and distortions about illegal immigration
A couple of points-
The term 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform' is an Orwellian term for amnesty for illegals. In recent years there are more and more examples of how our language has been twisted and distorted by elected officials in DC. We need to point this out to average Americans.
( examples: 'Pension Protection Act' means allowing companies to steal earned pension benefits, 'Social Security Equalization act' means giving social security benefits to illegal immigrants after they return to Mexico, and so forth).
Given that most illegals are from Mexico, I suggest asking them if they want a 'path to citizenship' as an American. When they stop laughing, they will be wiring money back to Mexico and waving the Mexican flag. Most of them have absolutley no interest in becoming American citizens.
In fact, they want the American Southwest back as a part of Mexico.
And when Calderon and his slimy predessor, Vincente Fox lecture the US on Mexico's exportation of poverty, they should be reminded that they are the priviledged 'white' Spanish ruling class that has betrayed their poor citizens and caused the mass migration of poor uneducated Mexican people.
Dave Lovelace
San Jose
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Thoughts on illegals in Los Angeles
A transcription of Doug McIntyre's on illegals and Jamiel's law on Friday 4/5/08 on Los Angeles KABC radio.
We have been covering Jamiel’s Law in the aftermath of the atrocity that was the murder of Jamiel Shaw, II. allegedly by Pedro Espinosa, an illegal immigrant, gang banger.
Here’s another one out of Marshall Town, Iowa. By the way, these stories go coast to coast all the time. Today in L.A. Times they have an article out of Marshall Town, Iowa that one Monica Del Carmen Lopez drove an SUV into the side of a mini-van in October and she killed a 90-year-old grandmother and injured three of her relatives. They discovered this 23 year old gang banger was already arrested countless of times, mostly for minor infractions. However, she had also been arrested for assault, child endangerment for exposing a child to methamphetamines, because she hung out with meth heads and meth dealers. And by the way, she was in the country illegally. “Every day I struggle not to be angry,” says Ramona Kilmore who suffered a broken rib and other injuries in the accident. "All I can think of is my mother might still be alive if immigration laws would have been enforced.”
Now, how similar does that sound to Jamiel Shaw, Sr? And by the way, before anyone says “this is just immigrant bashing,” listen to the story of the family that lost their mother. Kilmore, who’s mother was killed, the issue was not about race, but about following the law. She and her husband Merrill have four adopted children from other countries. “We’ve followed all the rules from getting fingerprinted at the police station to hiring lawyers and waiting forever to hear whether the government would let this happen. If we can do it, why can’t everyone?" Good Question.
Meanwhile, Lopez, charged by local prosecutors for operating a car without a license, drove through two stop signs and plowed into the car and killed their grandmother. This is the same thing that Anita and Jamiel Shaw, Sr. said about their son’s murder. It is not about race or trying to drive a wedge between blacks and Latinos, and we’re not trying to drive a wedge between whites and Latinos or anybody else. Just asking that the law to be followed. Because here is another woman who was killed by someone who was in the country—that if there were not sanctuary city policies—and Iowa certainly has done this. Iowa has done this because they wanted to drive down the cost of labor in the poultry industry. And that’s exactly what’s happened.
In Iowa, they have drawn a large Latino population most of whom are illegal because of industrial and meat-packing jobs. Now we’ve been talking about that for more than a decade—that the chief lobbyists—you have to understand that there are two (this is why we can’t get a remedy to the problem of illegal immigration) because there are two separate groups that have nothing in common at all, that have calcified and destroyed the two-party system with checks and balances. You have left-wing politics like we have in L.A.--who want more poor people so they can make greater demands for resources to supply government services, which gives them greater political power. More patronage jobs, the more money you have to spend is the old golden rule theory—he who has the gold makes the rules. And politicians who can show a need that they have tremendous amounts of poverty and people in need and in addition can go to state, city and politicians and taxpayers and say that we need more money, and then, of course, they get to hire more salaried teachers, they get to hire more social workers, more nurses aides, they get to hire more everything, housing people, everything, and that gives them more power; because the more jobs you can hand out the more beholden people are to you. So that’s one side of the equation. The other side of the equation are Republican Congressmen and Legislators and Senators and Presidents who want to make labor cheaper for big industry. And as you know, we have outsourced countless thousands, if not millions of jobs to Asia and other countries. But there are some jobs you can’t outsource. One of them is the poultry and meatpacking industry because it doesn’t make sense to import meat and chicken and things like that because it’s too expensive. It has to get to the market quickly and to be fresh so it has to be processed locally.
The meat packing and poultry industry used to be the highest paying job in the American industrial sector because it is one of the nastiest jobs and a dangerous job. Now guess what, it still is a nasty and dangerous job. It’s now one of the lowest paying jobs in American industry and the reason is that they have replaced American workers and naturalized citizens who are legal citizens of this country with illegal labor, which has driven down the labor costs and that’s why you see places like Cargo, plants in Nebraska where these little towns in Nebraska, 85 per cent of the kindergartners or first graders are now from Mexico, Guatemala, or Honduras, or someplace like that. And they’ve done the same thing in Iowa—that’s what brought someone like Monica Del Carmen Gonzales Lopez to Marshall Town, Iowa—to drive an SUV into a mini-van and kill a 90-year-old grandmother—and at 23 years of age. What a gift to Marshall Town, Iowa. She’s 23, she’s been arrested multiple times, including assault and exposing a child to methamphetamine, and there she is plowing along in an SUV, with no driver’s license, running stop signs, plowing in and killing someone.
Had she been deported during any of the previous arrests, including assault and exposing a child to methamphetamine, she would have been out of the country and she would not have been in Marshall Town, Iowa to kill the 90 year old and to injure the other people. It’s not rocket science.
Now what’s going to happen? The Iowa Legislature, last week, passed a law that would require law enforcement agencies to hold illegal immigrants until the charges against them are resolved rather than to let them out on bail so they can flee. They also passed a law that would make it a felony with a maximum fine of $7,500 and up to five years in prison for hiring illegals. Now this proposal drew bipartisan support from the state legislature, but Republicans dismissed it as a political move by Democrats—that they said would vanish after the election. I’m not sure that that’s going to happen. The bill’s sponsor is a Democrat in the Iowa Legislature, named Rick Olsen, and I love this, listen to this California, listen to this Los Angeles, listen to this City Council, listen to this, vis-à-vis Jamiel’s Law, quote “Someone has to take charge, who else is going to do it if we don’t if we don't?” You see, this again puts the truth to the lie—that immigration is simply a matter of the Federal government doing its job, and therefore, if the Federal government doesn’t do it’s job there is nothing the local authority can do. There are plenty of things local authority can do, if you do it. But California chooses not to. L.A. County chooses not to. The City of Los Angeles chooses not to. In fact, what they do is they tend to side with the ACLU and MALDEF the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund and other advacy groups who oppose any locale steps and of course this month the ACLU and MALDEF filed a federal class action law suite againist the Arizona laws and civil liberity groups are lining up to sue Iowa if they take any action. So this is the dodge, this is what we have, we see over and over again. And you’ll see as Jamiel’s Law gains more traction, and its going to because the more people hear about the murder of Jamiel Shaw, II, and what goes on here in L.A., the more people want something done. Special Order 40 protection was not designed, and should not have been designed, and should not have been invoked to offer sanctuary for gang bangers. Somebody like this woman, Monica del Carmen Gonzales Lopez who has been arrested countless times, including for methamphetamine exposure to kids and assault, should not have been in the country to kill this 90 year old.
How many more times do we have to have this story told? Once the deaths totaled, it’s greater if you look at it and you track it coast to coast. We lose more people per year to illegal immigrant deaths—either murder, or drunk driving fatalities than we lost on 911. Think about that. And obviously it doesn’t mean that all illegal immigrants are killers, but its common sense that if we enforce our local laws we would not be losing these people-- if they were not here to commit the crimes. We’d still have an army of our own domestic called grown “nut cases” and murderers, but at least we wouldn’t be dealing with this. It’s common sense.
Learn about Jamiel’s Law. It’s real simple. We have to support it. May lst, by the way, at Ebell Theatre, Walter Moore is going to give a presentation of Jamiel’s Law. You should find out about that to. We’ll get you all the information.
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject:
Welcome to Alipac jpm. Glad to have you with us. If you use Alipac's News and Stories archives you will see death after death, injury aft injury and crime after crime. What we need is a whole section here just for the crimes that are placed in the news. We need a whole section just for victims that are reported. Years ago we wouldn't have seen any, but they have been reporting it more and more. Some still won't so you know how much more is out there.
Here's some recent, related & relevant info as a further reminder:
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Rasumssen Reports, May 23, 2007:
"The enforcement side of the debate is clearly where the public passion lies on the issue. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration.” That view is held by 89% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 63% of unaffiliated voters ... Only 29% of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States.”"
Opposing view: No mandate for amnesty
Americans want to enforce our laws against illegal immigrants.
By Mark Krikorian
"...In a pre-election poll of likely voters, done for the center by the Polling Company Inc. using neutral language (i.e., without the words "amnesty" or "aliens"), 44% backed enforcing laws "to cause illegal immigrants to go home over time." An additional 20% wanted roundups and deportations; only 31% supported legalization. When offered the full range of choices, amnesty is rejected 2-1."
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: More on Jamiel's Law
An email from Walter Moore, a candidate for Mayor of L.A.
Jamiel's Law: Villaraigosa And City Council Unamimously Favor Illegal Aliens Over American Crime Victims
By Walter Moore, Candidate For Mayor of Los Angeles, WalterMooreForMayor.com
On March 2, 2004, the Los Angeles City Council -- including Villaraigosa, Zine, and Smith -- voted 15 to 0 to pass an ordinance (No. 175853) requiring all City agencies to accept Mexico's "Matricula Consular" cards as valid identification.
Repeat: the vote was 15 to ZERO.
The only people who benefit from that ordinance, of course, are illegal aliens. After all, anyone in the country legally would have valid identification. The ordinance is part of the City's "sanctuary city" policy: aiding and abetting illegal immigration by changing our rules to accommodate illegal aliens.
Fast forward to today, May 8, 2008.
It has been a month since the Shaw family came to City Council and urged them to pass Jamiel's Law, to spare another family the heartbreaking burden of a preventable murder.
What action has City Council taken? None. No vote. No ordinance. Nothing but talk and Zine's watered-down counterfeit motion, which would merely "request" that Chief Bratton modify Special Order 40 somewhat. Incredibly, City Council hasn't even had the guts to put that tepid, toothless motion to a vote. And Bratton has arrogantly declared that he won't change one word of Special Order 40 in any event.
Nor, of course, has Villaraigosa himself taken any action. His silence on Jamiel's Law is deafening. He came to Jamiel's funeral for a "photo op," but he won't come to the aid of Jamiel's family now that they're trying to spare other families the terrible loss they themselves have suffered. Villaraigosa could deny "sanctuary city" protection to gang members with the stroke of a pen. Special Order 40 is a memo, not a law. The Mayor has to power to amend it or even abolish it by issuing a simple Executive Directive. He refuses to use that power. He insists on making our city a sanctuary for gangs.
So we're done with the Mayor and the City Council. Last night, the Shaws and I signed a formal request for the City Clerk to put Jamiel's Law on the March 2009 ballot. Today I will FedEx the request to City Hall. Within a month, we should have petitions ready for L.A.'s voters to sign.
Then you, I and our fellow voters will have 120 days to gather at least 74,000 L.A. voters' signatures. We will do that, and we will put Jamiel's Law on the March 3, 2009 ballot.
And on March 3, 2009, we will make L.A. a sanctuary not for gangs, but for law-abiding American citizens and legal aliens.
On March 2, 2004, the Los Angeles City Council -- including Villaraigosa, Zine, and Smith -- voted 15 to 0 to pass an ordinance (No. 175853) requiring all City agencies to accept Mexico's "Matricula Consular" cards as valid identification.
Repeat: the vote was 15 to ZERO[quote]
This type of assinine menatily should have already been stopped ! This must be a NAU order . Therefore is it not in direct violation of Federal and state laws ? Oath of office ? Where are the stop guards on these types of issues? Federal Marshalls etc . _________________ Nam vet 1967/1970 Skull & Bones can KMA .Bless our Brothers that gave their all ..It also gives me the right to Vote for Chuck Baldwin 2008 POTUS . NOW or never
Joined: May 18, 2007 Posts: 10306 Location: Alipacers Come In All Colors
Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:
Populist wrote:
Good analysis W. Let's send this around.
Here's some recent, related & relevant info as a further reminder:
---
Rasumssen Reports, May 23, 2007:
"The enforcement side of the debate is clearly where the public passion lies on the issue. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal immigration.” That view is held by 89% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 63% of unaffiliated voters ... Only 29% of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States.”"
Opposing view: No mandate for amnesty
Americans want to enforce our laws against illegal immigrants.
By Mark Krikorian
"...In a pre-election poll of likely voters, done for the center by the Polling Company Inc. using neutral language (i.e., without the words "amnesty" or "aliens"), 44% backed enforcing laws "to cause illegal immigrants to go home over time." An additional 20% wanted roundups and deportations; only 31% supported legalization. When offered the full range of choices, amnesty is rejected 2-1."
The article brings up a great point about distortion.
Quote:
...The reason this unpopular legislation failed last year and the reason Congress is reluctant to take the issue up during an election year is they know the truth is a majority of American reject changing the current laws to allow illegal aliens to stay in the US.
If the propaganda coming out of the mouths of open borders fanatics like Rep. Joe Baca, (D-CA) or Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) were true, then members of Congress would be rushing to bring the legislation to the floor and eager to campaign on it in the 2008 elections. The fact that members of Congress do not want to address the legislation or campaign on it is proof that a majority of Americans reject the legislation.
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This says it all in the current US political climate and speaks volumes of their character. I would like to see this question asked to McCain and B. Hussein Obama directly.
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