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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: McCain Double-Talk on Immigration?
McCain Double-Talk on Immigration?
June 20, 2008 12:26 PM
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., met Wednesday evening with Hispanic Republicans in Chicago.
In an Associated Press story about the meeting, one quote jumped out at me: "He's one John McCain in front of white Republicans. And he's a different John McCain in front of Hispanics," Rosanna Pulido, a Latina who heads the Illinois Minuteman Project, told the AP. "He's having his private meetings to rally Hispanics and to tell them what they want to hear," she said. "I'm outraged that he would reach out to me as a Hispanic but not as a conservative."
Pulido seemed to be in a rather interesting position to talk about McCain and immigration, so I gave her a call.
An advocate and escort for seniors professionally, Pulido told me that she's one of the original Minutemen who stood on the border between Arizona and Mexico in 2005 and she's also Illinois spokesperson for "You Don't Speak For Me, American Hispanics Speaking Out On Illegal Immigration."
Her parents were from Mexico, but she was born in the U.S. (She spent a year in Mexico in the 1980s as a Christian missionary.) Pulido says her activism against illegal immigration stems from her Christian belief system and sense of right and wrong, as well as the unmet needs she sees in the senior population through her work.
"What they're doing is stealing from the American people," she says of illegal immigrants.
Pulido found out about the McCain meeting from a local newspaper, the Beacon News. She called the McCain campaign contact and let them know where she stood on the issue of illegal immigration, but said as a conservative and a Hispanic, she wanted to attend the meeting. She was curious as to what McCain was going to say.
"I have friends in Washington, DC, on this issue," she says. "We've had conversations on this issue." After comprehensive immigration reform was killed in the Senate and McCain changed his rhetoric on the subject on the campaign trail, Pulido says, "we were hopeful after John McCain started saying, 'I understand where the American people are coming from, there's gotta be enforcement first,' we thought great, he's had a change of heart."
So she went to the meeting, a room full of 150-200 people. "Sure enough," Pulido says, "his mantra at the meeting was comprehensive immigration reform.' And there were cheers and applause whenever he mentioned comprehensive immigration reform."
"Then he said, 'I bet some of you don't know this -- did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?' And the crowd roared. I was appalled," Pulido said. "He was pandering to these people -- that's what they wanted to hear."
The meeting was jammed up because McCain had attended the Tim Russert funeral that day, and had a fundraiser to attend. He was about 45 minutes late, and only spoke for approximately 15 minutes, she recalls. Originally the plan was for him to take questions, but there didn't appear to be time, she said.
Which is just as well, as far as she was concerned. "The truth of the matter is, I was in the room with 150-to-200 people, and if I'd spoken out I would have been disruptive, which was not what I wanted to do."
"He was telling one group of people one thing and the Hispanics another," says Pulido. "I'm a conservative and I think he's throwing conservatives under the bus."
Pulido doesn't know who she will vote for and says she may not know until election day. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, is not an option. "I'd never ever vote for Barack Obama," she says. "He was an Illinois state senator and unlike the rest of the nation, I know who Barack Obama is, he's too liberal for me."
What she saw of John McCain Wednesday night, however, makes her inclined right now to support Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.
JANET HOOK, LA TIMES: Senator McCain, let me just take the issue to you, because you obviously have been very involved in it. During this campaign, you, like your rivals, have been putting the first priority, heaviest emphasis on border security. But your original immigration proposal back in 2006 was much broader and included a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who were already here. What I'm wondering is -- and you seem to be downplaying that part. At this point, if your original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, would you vote for it?
MCCAIN: It won't. It won't. That's why we went through the debate...
HOOK: But if it did?
MCCAIN: No, I would not, because we know what the situation is today. The people want the border secured first. ...We will secure the borders first when I am president of the United States. I know how to do that. I come from a border state, where we know about building walls, and vehicle barriers, and sensors, and all of the things necessary. I will have the border state governors certify the borders are secured. And then we will move onto the other aspects of this issue, probably as importantly as tamper-proof biometric documents, which then, unless an employer hires someone with those documents, that employer will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And that will cause a lot of people to leave voluntarily. There's 2 million people who are here who have committed crimes. They have to be rounded up and deported. And we're all basically in agreement there are humanitarian situations. It varies with how long they've been here, et cetera, et cetera.
We are all committed to carrying out the mandate of the American people, which is a national security issue, which is securing the borders. That was part of the original proposal, but the American people didn't trust or have confidence in us that we would do it. So we now know we have to secure the borders first, and that is what needs to be done. That's what I'll do as president of the United States.
McCain has been campaigning all across the country with various cronies muttering about securing the border first and that he never really supported amnesty. McCain and Lieberman were on a PR campaign together in NH earlier in the year and lying through their teeth on McCain's immigration record. At a town hall meeting in the granite state, McCain speaks for a while uttering his gibberish about illegal immigration and the illegal's are god's children (he obviously believes that they are a special type of god’s children and deserve some kind of extra compassion), etc. Lieberman takes the mike and says..."To say John McCain ever supported amnesty for illegal immigrants is a lie..." This is extremely disturbing that both of these Senators would try to deceive and directly lie to people for the express purpose of garnering votes. You can view this for yourself in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er3gSPhNSEM
McCain is trying to run from his actions and record. He is intentionally distorting (I call it lying) the irrefutable fact that he was a supporter of amnesty by claiming he was never for amnesty. He was a main architect, contributor and proponent of the Comphrensive Immigration Reform bills (s. 1348 and s. 1639) of 2007 that were written in order to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. McCain was so deep into the content and language of these bills that they were often referred to as the Kennedy-McCain Immigration Reform bills.
McCain has consistently supported amnesty for illegal aliens since at least 2003 as reported by hotair.com from a Tuscon Citizen article…“McCain Pushes Amnesty, Guest-Worker Program,” reported the Tucson Citizen of May 29, 2003. The senator is quoted as saying: “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens. That has to be a component of it.” The newspaper also quoted McCain as saying: “I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people who are eligible and at the same time make sure that we have some control over people who come in and out of this country.”
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/05/video-liebs-says-mccain-did-not-support-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens/ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2007/06/017540.php
An in-depth interview in June 2007 conducted with WBT radio Charlotte, NC illustrates McCain’s lack of knowledge of the details in his own Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. His arrogance, disdain and condescending attitude to those who disagreed with him on the amnesty issue can also be heard: http://jeffkatz.wbt.com/audio.cfm;jsessionid=2e30fbce04aa6e53e62082817536929611f5TR?ID=7
During the Fox News presidential debate on January 10, 2008 McCain said: “I know how to secure the borders. I come from a border state where our borders are broken. More people come across our border illegally every year than most any other state. And I will secure the borders first…The remaining 12 million…we must then, in my view, address it in as humane and compassionate way as possible. The three GIs who were missing last year in action, one of them was still missing in action, his wife was about to be deported from this country. I'm not going to deport the wife of a fighting serviceman who's missing in action. I'm going to handle it in a humane, compassionate fashion.” EARTH to McMARS; if you know how to secure the borders, why is your home state’s border still unsecured (McCain has been in Congress for 26 years, the last 22 as a Senator), so much so that more illegals come across your border than anywhere else? What have you been waiting for? Amnesty (again)? Furthermore, what does a GI wife’s situation have to do with the 20 to 36 million illegal aliens here, many of which came across those borders you know how to secure but have done nothing to secure?
http://www.thestate.com/presidential-politics/story/281821.html
It’s readily obvious that McCain hasn’t changed his views on illegal immigration. “Actually, I didn’t change my position…” McCain told Sean Hannity on January 19 right after he was declared the winner of the SC Primary. McCain is constantly saying that conservatives opposed his plan because they didn’t trust the federal government. But that's only partially true. They opposed the amnesty plan because they disagreed with forgiving the crimes of 20 plus million illegal aliens crashing through our borders by giving them amnesty and putting them on a special path to citizenship. Watch the video below carefully on the interview Sean Hannity conducted with McCain right after he was declared the winner in the SC Primary. When Hannity brings up the 'Kennedy-McCain Comp. Immig. Reform' bill, McCain’s arrogance flares as he starts laughing, dismisses the question with the "actually I've never changed my position", babbles about he's from a border state so he knows how to secure the borders (remember he has been in Congress for 26 years and has done nothing); then he quickly moves in another direction to avoid addressing Hannity's question any further.
http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=07767d08-f30d-4183-9834-1be8e37b45fb
In April of 2006, McCain spoke at an ALF-CIO convention. During his speech some questioned his immigration plan, which included putting illegal aliens on a path to citizenship. When McCain insulted the attendees work ethic by saying that illegal immigrants do jobs Americans won’t do, a number of the crowd started to boo and one shouted out, “Pay a decent wage.” McCain said he’d heard that before and that illegal immigrants do jobs Americans won’t. Then he said that he’d offer anyone present $50 an hour to pick lettuce in the hot, brutal Arizona sun for a season. When a number of people shouted they’d take it, McCain said, “You can’t do it, my friends” then hurriedly left the podium and disappeared. http://blog.aflcio.org/2006/04/05/50-an-hour-to-pick-lettuce-you-bet/ http://thismodernworld.com/2811
Michelle Malkin sums up his contemptuous nature well. Her recent article states, “His admission of the shamnesty failure is grudging and bitter…For all his supposed newfound enlightenment about what most Americans want—protection against invasion, commitment to the rule of law, meaningful employer sanctions, an end to sanctuary cities, enforcement-by-attrition plus deportation reform, and an end to special illegal alien benefits that invite more law-breaking—The Maverick remains a Geraldo Rivera Republican. Instead of emphasizing the need for local and state cooperation with federal immigration authorities to prevent the release of illegal alien criminals or discussing 100 percent preventable crimes by illegal alien thugs who should never have been on American soil in the first place, McCain harps on open-borders sob stories.”
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/23/john-mccain-the-geraldo-rivera-republican/
After the massive illegal alien protests of 2006 in American cities, McCain made the following statement; “If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we (illegal alien supporters) will prevail.”
Under McCain’s immigration bill, even members of Mexican drug gangs would have received amnesty by simply signing a statement in which they renounce their gang affiliation; the so-called ‘background checks’ that illegal aliens would have received were only of the 24-hour variety, which reveal very little (if anything) and would have then been given a six month worker card; Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents would have traveled the country handing-out amnesty applications to suspected illegal aliens (Not kidding!), and all immigration enforcement would have ended.
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=602835
On June 2, 2006 (Le Mars, Iowa) when McCain was questioned about why he didn’t support immigration law enforcement, his response was ``In case you hadn't noticed, the thousands of people who have been relegated to ghettos have risen up and burned cars in France,'' McCain said. ``They've got huge problems in France. They have tremendous problems. The police can't even go into certain areas in the suburbs of Paris. I don't want that in the suburbs of America.'' That’s right, John McCain, seeking to be President of the United States is afraid of enforcing our laws because of upsetting a group of people who are illegally present in America. Why would anyone vote for a candidate who lacks the faith, commitment and optimism to believe that America is capable of enforcing the law? What we have here is a presidential candidate who uses fear mongering and deceit to advance his commitment to giving amnesty to illegal aliens. It is also irresponsible and reckless, because it conveys a very dangerous message, which is: America is governed by the rule of law, except when the threat of anarchy and violence is too great. In which case, congress and the president will simply change the law to legalize what had been illegal, thereby pacifying those guilty of behavior once considered unlawful.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/03/mccain-without-amnesty-we-might-have-riots-here/ http://o-be-wise.blogspot.com/2007/06/mccain-fears-riots-if-illegals-deported.html http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=13&num=13814
A revelation regarding McCain’s presidential campaign that had been totally overlooked by the MSM is that his “Hispanic Outreach Director”, Juan Hernandez, is the same guy who was a close advisor to Mexico’s President Vicente Fox! Hernandez headed up a Mexican bureaucracy called the “Presidential Office for Mexicans Abroad.” It was designed to allow Hernandez to travel across the U.S., meddling with local, state, and federal immigration enforcement on behalf of millions of illegal aliens in America. ” Hernandez has been quoted as saying, "I never knew the border as a limitation. I'd be delighted if all of us could come and go between these two marvelous countries… There are twenty million people, like myself, who have one foot in Mexico and one foot in the United States, and we're very proud of it… We must not only have a free flow of goods and services, but also start working for a free flow of people.” U.S. born dual citizen Juan Hernandez is very notorious for having said of Mexican Americans on Nightline on June 7, 2001, “I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think Mexico first.” Does John McCain agree that they should always “think Mexico first?” With Hernandez as his “Hispanic Outreach Director”, I don’t think there is any question. Is there any reason that anyone should think open borders fanatic Dr. Hernandez wants President McCain to secure the border? Is there any reason that anyone should trust a man to secure the border if he is getting his “Hispanic Outreach” advice from Dr. Juan Hernandez? Is there any reason why anyone should not think that John McCain is committed to giving amnesty to the 20 million illegal aliens in America? When McCain was questioned about his immigration advisor by an attendee at a Florida town hall meeting during his campaign, his response was “He’s on my staff because he supports my policies…I don’t know what his previous positions are or [his] other positions are, he supports mine.” Mr. Hernandez does indeed support Mr. McCain — and that speaks volumes. http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-100152-.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIK9ZawRMlg
At the Global Competitiveness Roundtable meeting of California technology executives on May 22, 2008 McCain, with Schwartzenegger beaming at his side, advocated the comprehensive amnesty legislation he had backed with Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy last year as a solution to provide more visas for technology workers. McCain, as before, advocated a humane approach that treats illegal workers as “God’s children.” McCain has repeatedly stated his ‘God’s children” refrain ad nausem whenever he gets questioned on illegal immigration. Earth to Deep Space John: All people are “God’s children”, John. It’s just that the vast majority of Americans are adamantly opposed to giving amnesty to those that are foreign nationals with no regard of our nation’s soverignity and laws by illegally entering our country. http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=691714
Lest we forget or if anyone is unsure as to what the definition of amnesty is, I will provide it below:
AMNESTY, in relation to immigration matters, is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to illegally enter a country. Amnesty rewards illegal aliens with the very thing they seek by illegally entering our country…legalization of their presence here.
AMNESTY:
1. A general pardon for offenses against a government
2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole
3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense
Not only is McCain a supporter of amnesty, he is not fond of any fencing for immigration control or for security reasons. McCain said, “By the way, I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the V********V fence if they want it.”[Prisoner of Conscience - Vanity Fair, February 2007: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mccain200702
”We are not going to erect barriers and fences” (June 5, 2007 CNN Republican Presidential Candidates Debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5G3kH1PvvU ) That’s surely true if McCain gets his way as he has demonstrated over and over again how anti-fence and border security he is. In 2006, McCain voted for the Specter Amendment to the Senate’s Immigration Bill that required consultation with Mexico to seek their approval before constructing any border fence. He’s so concerned with hurting Mexico’s feelings at the expense of our border security that he made sure the consultation language was put into the main body of the 2007 Kennedy-McCain Amnesty legislation attempt. That’s right, the Straight Talk Express who now says he’s all for border security is committed to consultations with Mexico to ask them if it would be OK if we built a border fence.
I suppose McCain has never heard of the 14-mile double-layer fence between San Diego and Tijuana, Mexico. Its benefits in stopping illegal entry into the U.S. were immediate and long lasting. According to a 2005 Congressional Research Service report illegal alien apprehensions along the fence region dropped from 202,000 in 1992 to 9,000 in 2004, a reduction greater than 95% ( http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200712/NAT20071219b.html )
Particularly galling is that December’s omnibus spending bill did not include the appropriations for construction of the double layer 700-mile border fence, which was passed into law just a few months earlier. Additionally, the requirement of a double-layer fence mandated by the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was removed, so if funding is ever restored, a truly effective fence being constructed is unlikely.
I’m sure if McCain was somehow elected President; one of his first official acts would be to take down the fence surrounding the White House and the Green Zone in Bhagdad…right John? _________________
"If you can't do business legally, then you have no business being in business." -zeezil Anything short of deportation is amnesty.
MCCain is a bigger traitor than even I thought....makes me sick he would go infront of these people and pander behind the backs of American citizens!! _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
"Then he said, 'I bet some of you don't know this -- did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?' And the crowd roared. I was appalled," Pulido said. "He was pandering to these people -- that's what they wanted to hear."
McCain, you idiot. Before Spanish ever found its way to Arizona, the following Indian tribes in Arizona, all established prior to any Spanish presence, all had their own languages and dialects: Apache, Cocopa, Halchidhoma, Halyikwamai, Havasupai, Hopi, Kohuana, Maricopa, Mohave, Navaho, Paiute, Papago, Pima, Quahatika, Sobaipuri, Tonto, Walapai, Yavapai and Yuma.
Are you really this stupid or is it something else? Oh, thats right...you are P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G. But, I think you are also a bit stupid. _________________
"If you can't do business legally, then you have no business being in business." -zeezil Anything short of deportation is amnesty.
I could never vote for Mccain for President because of his amnesty stand.My state voted in May in the primary.I voted for Alan Keyes for President.My first non-republican presidential vote in all my 40 voting years.That was my last vote as a republican.I am now an Independent.The "galvanized" republicans running for federal offices are beginning to out liberal the liberals.There's little difference in either party.Mccain and Obama have basically the same policy on amnesty.
ABC NEWS is engaging in selective censhorship. I have had 4 perfectly pertinent, clean, data supported comments removed from the comment section because obviously the administrator doesn't like my politics.
How's that for freedom of speech? _________________
"If you can't do business legally, then you have no business being in business." -zeezil Anything short of deportation is amnesty.
"Then he said, 'I bet some of you don't know this -- did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?' And the crowd roared. I was appalled," Pulido said. "He was pandering to these people -- that's what they wanted to hear."
McCain, you idiot. Before Spanish ever found its way to Arizona, the following Indian tribes in Arizona, all established prior to any Spanish presence, all had their own languages and dialects: Apache, Cocopa, Halchidhoma, Halyikwamai, Havasupai, Hopi, Kohuana, Maricopa, Mohave, Navaho, Paiute, Papago, Pima, Quahatika, Sobaipuri, Tonto, Walapai, Yavapai and Yuma.
Are you really this stupid or is it something else? Oh, thats right...you are P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G. But, I think you are also a bit stupid.
They all seem to have a problem with history! _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
Joined: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 12995 Location: North Carolina
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject:
ChromeDome wrote:
Quote:
There's little difference in either party
When it comes to dealing with illegal immigration and border security there is. Least we forget, the majority of Republicans in the U.S. Congress have been on our side. It certainly wasn't the Democrats that helped to stop the last two amnesty attempts.
Joined: Jan 02, 2008 Posts: 6909 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:
Instead of worrying about amnesty, Obama and McCain should read the US Constitution, particulary Article IV , Sec 4, in which the Constitution guarantees every state in the Union a Republican Form of government and protect each one of them from INVASION.
I would like to see them apply the same dedication and tenacity to satisfying or defining the legal meaning of an "invasion" as it pertains to illegals and the Constitution, as they do amnesty for their beloved illegals.
I know, the operative word here is "invasion" and what constitutes an invasion. Unfortunately, the framers have left that up to us to determine what constitutes an invasion and I guess these two dimwits ( and many others in our government) do not believe 20-30 million people (majority from mexico) who entered this country in violation of Federal immigration would rise to the level of an invasion - despite the untold number of American citizens physically injured or killed at the hands of illegals.
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