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Joined: Jun 29, 2006 Posts: 5764 Location: Waukegan, IL
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject:
SOSADFORUS wrote:
James call them back, they lied to you.
table, motion to - A Senator may move to table any pending question. The motion is not debatable, and agreement to the motion is equivalent to defeating the question tabled. The motion is used to dispose quickly of questions the Senate does not wish to consider further.
Can the question be 'reformed' and come up like a phoenix? The public wants it.
table, motion to - A Senator may move to table any pending question. The motion is not debatable, and agreement to the motion is equivalent to defeating the question tabled. The motion is used to dispose quickly of questions the Senate does not wish to consider further.
Can the question be 'reformed' and come up like a phoenix? The public wants it.
Has the fat lady sung??
The fat lady has not sung just yet...we have until sept. _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
table, motion to - A Senator may move to table any pending question. The motion is not debatable, and agreement to the motion is equivalent to defeating the question tabled. The motion is used to dispose quickly of questions the Senate does not wish to consider further.
Can the question be 'reformed' and come up like a phoenix? The public wants it.
Has the fat lady sung??
The fat lady has not sung just yet...we have until sept.
NEVER GIVE UP AND NEVER GIVE IN!!!! _________________
Running FULL FORCE AGAINST AMNESTY for ILLEGALS!!!!
We need to remember what happened today so that when the amnesty push comes and E-Verify is given as a carrot to our side, we will demand answers as to why they killed the E-verify program today!!!!
Can e-verify come back up any time soon?? _________________ Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God. -G.K. Chesterton from the book 'The Shack' by Wm. Paul Young-
When and HOW are we going to force these idiots to stop spending money we don't have???? _________________ Once abolish the God and the government becomes the God. -G.K. Chesterton from the book 'The Shack' by Wm. Paul Young-
I hope you don’t think that your traitorous act to keep E-Verify out of the Ominbus budget bill today went unnoticed by the American people. Everyone knows your phones were ringing off the hook in support of this very important program to ensure employers are hiring legal workers. Once again, you’ve ignored the will of the people, and proven that you have an agenda to continue supporting citizens of foreign countries, instead of the American people who pay your wages.
I am fed up with your blatant disregard for the laws in this country when it comes to the millions of illegal aliens in this country who have taken over 7 million jobs away from the American people. You care not for the 12 million Americans who are out of work. You are too busy holding your hand out for our tax money which you use to pass bills for the lobbyists who fund your campaigns, those special interest groups who buy you off to represent cheap, illegal labor. You have gotten so emboldened these days that you don’t even have the courtesy to look like you’re representing the people you are robbing from.
More and more Americans are becoming aware of these unconstitutional actions by this government and more and more people will be taking to the streets to protest a government that has run amok. Maybe, when the roar gets loud enough and you lose your seat, you’ll realize that the American people are about to take their country back. Enjoy your party while you can, because it’s about over.
It means it's still only good until September, but my guess is that they are stalling to use it as a bargaining tool to get amnesty. In other words, you give us amnesty and we'll give you E-Verify.
If they try this scheme: NO WAY, NO HOW. If everyone is legalized and the border remains unsecured, E-Verify will hardly matter.
It means it's still only good until September, but my guess is that they are stalling to use it as a bargaining tool to get amnesty. In other words, you give us amnesty and we'll give you E-Verify.
If they try this scheme: NO WAY, NO HOW. If everyone is legalized and the border remains unsecured, E-Verify will hardly matter.
Well, I'm telling you this is exactly what they've got planned. Put the pieces together. E-Verify is good until September and all the talk is that Obama will go after amnesty in the fall. From now until then, we need to put the fear of God in these people before then, by letting them know that they will not get elected another term if we have to take to the streets in their district to accomplish that. We can't wait any longer to start fighting this, or they are going to walk all over us. They have already turned a deaf ear to the people, and they are emboldened by the thought of getting a whole bunch more Hispanic voters. This being Mr. Nice Guy with these idiots is not working.
Long-term E-Verify loses 47-50 ....... Were your Senators the 2 votes who could have won it?
DEAR FRIENDS,
Thanks for all your hard work in phoning and faxing the last week. No amendment to the giant Omnibus spending bill came closer to passing than the Sessions amendment to reauthorize E-Verify for 5 years.
Of course, it was disappointing to lose the E-Verify battle this evening when a switch of only two votes would have won it. But in this temporary defeat, we see many signs of winning the longer-term battle for E-Verify to take away the jobs magnet from illegal immigration.
Later this evening and tomorrow morning, we will have customized faxes for you to send to each of your Senators based on his/her vote for the 5-year re-authorization of E-Verify. Keep checking your Action Buffet corkboard.
Also, please read my blog for a full analysis of (1) my reasons for optimism after this vote and (2) which Senators were the biggest sell-outs of unemployed American workers this evening.
Joined: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 12466 Location: North Carolina
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:35 pm Post subject:
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Of course, it was disappointing to lose the E-Verify battle this evening when a switch of only two votes would have won it. But in this temporary defeat, we see many signs of winning the longer-term battle for E-Verify to take away the jobs magnet from illegal immigration.
I'm extremely disappointed in Sen. Byrd, Sen. Dorgan, and my very own Sen. Hagan. I was hopeful these three Democrats would support the E-Verify. Honestly, I'm totally confused as to why Sen. Dorgan voted to table the amendment. I know most liberals don't give a tinker's damn about the American worker (when compared to the illegal worker), however, I always thought Sen. Dorgan was fully in the American workers corner. Guess I was wrong.
Tinybobidaho wrote:
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Do you think this is too harsh?
Dear Senator:
I hope you don’t think that your traitorous act to keep E-Verify out of the Ominbus budget bill today went unnoticed by the American people. Everyone knows your phones were ringing off the hook in support of this very important program to ensure employers are hiring legal workers. Once again, you’ve ignored the will of the people, and proven that you have an agenda to continue supporting citizens of foreign countries, instead of the American people who pay your wages.
I am fed up with your blatant disregard for the laws in this country when it comes to the millions of illegal aliens in this country who have taken over 7 million jobs away from the American people. You care not for the 12 million Americans who are out of work. You are too busy holding your hand out for our tax money which you use to pass bills for the lobbyists who fund your campaigns, those special interest groups who buy you off to represent cheap, illegal labor. You have gotten so emboldened these days that you don’t even have the courtesy to look like you’re representing the people you are robbing from.
More and more Americans are becoming aware of these unconstitutional actions by this government and more and more people will be taking to the streets to protest a government that has run amok. Maybe, when the roar gets loud enough and you lose your seat, you’ll realize that the American people are about to take their country back. Enjoy your party while you can, because it’s about over.
I think it's an excellent letter, Tiny. I hope you've already pushed the send button!
Joined: Jan 02, 2008 Posts: 5856 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject:
Think about what these 50 Senators(traitors) voted on today! They voted against this country and her citizens! It's really shocking that our own elected officals could turn their backs on Americans.
If these Senators have not been bought and paid for, then they are simply traitors who hate this country! Either way, they do not deserve to be any where near a position of leadership!
I suspect these Senators have taken a play book straight from Blago. They are going to use E-Verify as a bargining chip to get their amnesty passed! These are evil snakes that do not give a damn about this country, but rather increasing their Democratic voting block.
Like Blago said, this f'ing seat is gold...I can't just give it away without getting something in return.
Joined: Jun 29, 2006 Posts: 5764 Location: Waukegan, IL
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject:
I gained a lot from reading this on NumbersUSA. Any disagreements with his analysis?
Senate Again Shows Incredible Insensitivity to Jobless Americans (but this E-Verify fight moved the cause forward)
By Roy Beck, Updated Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:37 PM
Of course, it was disappointing to lose the E-Verify battle this evening 50-47 when a switch of only two votes would have won it.
But in this temporary defeat, we see many signs of winning the longer-term battle for E-Verify to take away the jobs magnet from illegal immigration. I'll tell you the reasons for optimism -- and tell you which Senators were the biggest sell-outs of unemployed American workers.
Because of our side's relentless campaign for E-Verify since last summer, the Democratic leadership included in this Omnibus bill a 6-MONTH extension that will keep the program from dying this month as had been scheduled. We wanted a 5-YEAR extension, but the program is not going to die.
WHAT NEXT?
Commenters below -- even as I am writing this -- are walking off today's battlefield and asking "what next?" They are ready immediately to fight some more for the some 7 million Americans who are unemployed because millions of illegal aliens are allowed to hold U.S. jobs. Good for you!
Majority Leader Reid and 49 of his fellow Democrats voted today in favor of the illegal foreign workers and their outlaw employers -- and against unemployed Americans. But frankly, I don't think many of them had their heart in it. In fact, I'll explain later that I think a lot of Democrats cringed as they cast their votes today with your weeks of pleading phone calls perhaps ringing in their ears.
I have just sent an Action Alert by email to all of you registered members of NumbersUSA, outlining the next steps. Your NumbersUSA Capitol Hill Team is already working on leveraging some behind-the-scenes activity today.
SENATE LEADER REID HAD LOCK ON BLOCKING SESSIONS AMENDMENT
Every Republican but the ill Sen. Johanns of Nebraska (who didn't vote) voted NO to tabling the long-term E-Verify extension.
The 7 Democrats who joined the Republicans in supporting jobless American workers were:
* Bayh of Indiana
* Klobuchar of Minnesota
* McCaskill of Missouri
* Baucus and Tester of Montana
* Nelson of Nebraska
* Webb of Virginia
We are most pleased with their vote and will give them good points toward their immigration grade. But the way they did it makes them less than heroes in our eyes.
Six of the seven were among the 15 Democrats who voted against the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty of 2007. Klobuchar is the real surprise today, having voted for the amnesty and having a D-minus immigration grade.
If you were watching C-SPAN during the vote, you probably noticed something odd about the 7 Democrats who voted with us, casting a NO on tabling the E-Verify amendment. That is, most of the 7 (maybe all) first voted YES. But at the end, they huddled with Reid's leadership team and began changing their votes to a NO.
What was going on was that Sen. Reid was demanding almost absolute discipline from his Democrats. The ones who felt like they needed to vote NO on our side let Reid know ahead of time, but most of them consented to vote YES if Reid required it of them.
Thus, nearly all Democrats initially voted YES (to kill the E-Verify amendment). Then, once Reid knew exactly how many YES votes he could give up and still have 50, he began allowing some of the Democrats to vote NO.
Presumably, Reid allowed a NO vote from the Democrats who were under the most pressure back home to vote NO.
So, I would say those of you in Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska and Virginia should feel highly complimented that Sen. Reid apparently feared you the most.
TOP 20 DISAPPOINTMENTS AMONG SENATORS
Of the 50 Senators who voted against assuring businesses and states that E-Verify is here to stay, 30 routinely vote to encourage foreign workers to come to the U.S. to take jobs illegally. I am not suggesting that these Senators are hopeless, but they behaved true to form today.
But there are reasons that we could have expected more out of the other 20. If only two of the following 20 Senators had voted NO today, we could have won today.
NO. 20 BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT -- Democratic Senator Burris of Illinois was recently picked by the disgraced governor to serve out Pres. Obama's Senate term. Discussions between him and the governor have cast questions about the appointment and caused other Senate Democrats to distance themselves from him. One argument that Burris has given for why he is so important in the Senate is that he is the only African-American and needs to give voice to special needs of Black Americans throughout the country. The latest federal stats show that Black Americans are suffering by far the worst unemployment, but in the face of voting for the E-Verify system to open up jobs held by illegal aliens, Burris stood against unemployed Blacks and other Americans.
NO. 11 through 19 -- The other Democrats who were elected for the first time last fall or appointed this year to fill out terms. Even though most of these Senators previously told the public that they believed in preventing unscrupulous employers from hiring illegal workers, not a single new Democratic Senator stood for enforcement today. Their first immigration act in the Senate was an anti-enforcement act. Every Freshman Democrat started his/her immigration record on the side of illegal foreign workers. That was the shame for ...
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Begich of Alaska,
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Udall and Bennet of Colorado,
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Kaufman of Delaware,
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Shaheen of New Hampshire,
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Udall of New Mexico,
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Hagan of North Carolina,
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Merkley of Oregon,
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Warner of Virginia.
NO. 7 through 10 -- Four Democratic Senators who voted against the massive Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty in 2007 because of populist concerns about the effect on American workers. These were four Senators who we have not usually been able to count on to take this stand, but because they were among the 15 Democrats who in 2007 stood against their Party's obsession with flooding U.S. occupations with foreign workers, we had begun to expect more out of ....
* Bingaman of New Mexico,
* Brown of Ohio,
* Harkin of Iowa,
* Rockefeller of West Virginia.
NO. 6 BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT -- Senator Stabenow of Michigan. She got into the Senate in 2000 because our side hammered the Republican incumbent Senator Abraham for his aggressive preference for foreign workers over Americans. Since then, she has tended to side with American workers on these close, important immigration votes (including opposing the 2007 amnesty). Not today, even though her state has the worst unemployment in the nation.
NO. 4 and 5 -- Senators Byrd of West Virginia and Dorgan of North Dakota. What happened? Both are well ensconced in their states, but how could the citizens have not persuaded them to do what they usually do. In most years, no Democrat has been more likely to stand for American workers against the importation of foreign workers than Byrd and Dorgan (who have fought against all amnesties). But today, Reid needed their votes to protect illegal aliens and Byrd and Dorgan gave theirs to him.
NO. 3 -- Senator Gillibrand of New York turned her back on her previous record and seemed to prove that the screaming New York City illegal immigration groups have truly gotten control of the recently appointed Senator. As a Member of the U.S. House, Gillibrand had been one of the 50 or so more agressive Democrats in opposing illegal immigration and in demanding mandatory E-Verify for all businesses. But as soon as she was appointed Senator, the illegal immigration groups met with her and demanded she change her ways. And that she did today.
NO. 1 and 2 -- Senators Pyror of Arkansas and Landrieu of Louisiana needed our side to see them as pro-American-worker Democrats as they ran for re-election last year. We gave them a lot of pats on the back and recognition for taking the lead in introducing the SAVE Act in the Senate to mandate the use of E-Verify for all employees in America. But now that they have been elected for another six-year term, they turned their back on E-Verify today when their two votes alone would have won the long-term extension.
TODAY WAS A GOOD STEP FORWARD
If you live in the states with the Disappointing Democratic Senators, we will give you ample opportunity to express your opinion of their behavior today.
Nonetheless, I think we moved forward even in our narrow defeat today.
If you watched the debate, you noticed that the opposition really didn't criticize E-Verify. In fact, most of the Senators arguing against the 5-year extension were just saying that today was the wrong time to do it and that the Omnibus was the wrong vehicle. Several even said they favor long-term expansion.
Absent from the remarks were the falsehoods we see so often in the mainstream media in quotations from the ACLU, immigration attorneys and religious leaders. I didn't hear talk of E-Verify being riddled with errors or rife with discrimination or threatening of falsely firing U.S. citizens.
If all of you respond strongly enough to the bad votes from your Senators today, we may be close to congressional leadership deciding that it is time to just get this issue out of the mix and pass a long-term reauthorization.
It was clear in the debate this afternoon and evening that the E-Verify amendment was an inconvenience for those who were insisting on ramming the giant Omnibus spending bill through Congress. Unfortunately, being out of work because more than 7 million illegal aliens have U.S. jobs is a lot more than an inconvenience for unemployed Americans.
Of course, it was disappointing to lose the E-Verify battle this evening when a switch of only two votes would have won it. But in this temporary defeat, we see many signs of winning the longer-term battle for E-Verify to take away the jobs magnet from illegal immigration.
I'm extremely disappointed in Sen. Byrd, Sen. Dorgan, and my very own Sen. Hagan. I was hopeful these three Democrats would support the E-Verify. Honestly, I'm totally confused as to why Sen. Dorgan voted to table the amendment. I know most liberals don't give a tinker's damn about the American worker (when compared to the illegal worker), however, I always thought Sen. Dorgan was fully in the American workers corner. Guess I was wrong.
Tinybobidaho wrote:
Quote:
Do you think this is too harsh?
Dear Senator:
I hope you don’t think that your traitorous act to keep E-Verify out of the Ominbus budget bill today went unnoticed by the American people. Everyone knows your phones were ringing off the hook in support of this very important program to ensure employers are hiring legal workers. Once again, you’ve ignored the will of the people, and proven that you have an agenda to continue supporting citizens of foreign countries, instead of the American people who pay your wages.
I am fed up with your blatant disregard for the laws in this country when it comes to the millions of illegal aliens in this country who have taken over 7 million jobs away from the American people. You care not for the 12 million Americans who are out of work. You are too busy holding your hand out for our tax money which you use to pass bills for the lobbyists who fund your campaigns, those special interest groups who buy you off to represent cheap, illegal labor. You have gotten so emboldened these days that you don’t even have the courtesy to look like you’re representing the people you are robbing from.
More and more Americans are becoming aware of these unconstitutional actions by this government and more and more people will be taking to the streets to protest a government that has run amok. Maybe, when the roar gets loud enough and you lose your seat, you’ll realize that the American people are about to take their country back. Enjoy your party while you can, because it’s about over.
I think it's an excellent letter, Tiny. I hope you've already pushed the send button!
I did. I pushed it 50 times. I did half before dinner and just finished them up. No more Mrs. Nice Guy.
Joined: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 12466 Location: North Carolina
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:15 pm Post subject:
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NO. 4 and 5 -- Senators Byrd of West Virginia and Dorgan of North Dakota. What happened? Both are well ensconced in their states, but how could the citizens have not persuaded them to do what they usually do. In most years, no Democrat has been more likely to stand for American workers against the importation of foreign workers than Byrd and Dorgan (who have fought against all amnesties). But today, Reid needed their votes to protect illegal aliens and Byrd and Dorgan gave theirs to him.
Cancel that! I was half cocked and didnt fully read the vote. Corker and
Alexander voted "no" on tabling the bill. My bad! _________________ PROMOTE SELF DEPORTATION, ENFORCE OUR
LAWS!
Thank you for contacting me about E-Verify, the electronic verification program for foreign workers. I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter.
E-Verify is designed to verify the eligibility of foreign job applicants to work in the United States. On March 10, 2009, the Senate passed the Omnibus Appropriations Act, which reauthorized the E-Verify program through September 30, 2009. Between now and then Congress will consider a number of different proposals to extend the E-Verify program. For example, the House of Representatives is currently considering H.R.662, which would reauthorize the E-Verify program for five years.
Should this or similar legislation come before the Senate, be assured that I will keep your views in mind.
Again, thank you for writing to me. Please feel free to contact me in the future about this or any other issue of concern to you.
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