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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject: Why the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Has Become Danger
Why the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) Has Become Dangerous To The United States!
by William Gheen
President of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
www.alipac.us
July 30, 2009
A once revered civil rights group named the Southern Poverty Law Center has now become a threat to the freedoms and security of American citizens due to their repeated attacks on all First Amendment rights and their utter debasement of the political process.
Due to the severity of the consequences of the SPLC's actions on our nation, their well funded and organized repeated attacks on American freedoms of speech, the press, the right to peaceably assemble, and petition the government for a redress of grievances, let us as Americans of every race and creed unify in our calls for the dissolution and complete political destruction of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
While in the past the SPLC has targeted "hate groups" or groups deemed racist and potentially violent, such as the KKK and Neo Nazi groups, the SPLC has recently used their reputation for righting these groups to go after moderate and mainstream Americans, journalists, and show hosts and anchors in an attempt to suppress free speech.
The most recent attack from the SPLC on American freedoms has come in the public call for the firing of Lou Dobbs by SPLC President Richard Cohen.
Cohen asserts that Mr. Lou Dobbs is fueling hatred and inciting people to violence because he discusses issues such as illegal immigration and open borders on his show. The most recent call for Lou Dobbs to be fired was in response to Dobbs making the following statement on his radio show regarding the birth certificate and Constitutional eligibility of President Barrack Obama.
The SPLC and groups like Moveon(dot)org are scrambling to defend Barrack Obama when his approval numbers are diving with Rasmussen Reports showing Obama's core ratings falling to negative 12 today!
Lou Dobbs did not take a position on President Obama's Constitutional eligibility to serve as President as a natural born citizens. Lou Dobbs simply said "President Obama needs to "produce a birth certificate".
American citizens of all walks of life are regularly made to provide a copy of their original birth certificate for jobs, licenses, passports, and other documents. Therefore, it is completely reasonable that President Barrack Hussein Obama should do the same to quell the large cohort of citizens that have serious questions about his eligibility to serve in an arena where there should be no doubts!
God forbid that the Southern Poverty Law Center's call for free speech and freedom of the press to be destroyed in one fell swoop succeed, but is not even their call for the destruction of these rights offense enough?
Surely there will be some far left open borders and amnesty enthusiasts, that represent less than twenty percent of the US Population on the political issues of illegal immigration, that will support the SPLC call for the firing of Dobbs because they feel they will benefit from this abridgment of Constitutional rights in America.
However, Lou Dobbs's political views are more closely aligned with the vast majority of Americans who want America's borders secured and our existing immigration laws enforced. An even larger majority of people will support Dobbs's right to say what he likes and report what he likes as an American citizen and member of the media. Thankfully, many Americans still realize that free speech is a sacrosanct pillar of our nation's political processes and once esteemed place in history.
Today, SPLC President Richard Cohen sent out another release claiming that Lou Dobbs has some association with James von Brunn, the neo-Nazi accused of killing the Holocaust Memorial Museum guard.
This is outlandish, ridiculous, and absolutely hurtful to our Republic when you consider the fact that the SPLC and its sister organization the Anti Defamation League (ADL) have both been involved with documents sent out by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the DHS Fusion Center in Missouri that warn police to distrust American citizens based on their political beliefs, favorite books and movies, Presidential candidate choice, or bumper stickers.
The SPLC and ADL attempts to politicize American police in a way not seen in history since the reign of Stalin or Hitler are threats to our Republic, our nation, and the the freedoms and security of all American citizens. That is why ALIPAC sent out a national advisory warning Americans about these groups earlier this year!
Now things have taken a new turn with the SPLC asking even their left leaning supporters to come along with them on a direct attack on free speech and the freedom of the press in America in a move that is designed to try and limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Most of us could understand and tolerate these groups and their spokespersons having different political views than us. I even fully support their free speech and right to engage in unpopular free speech supporting their positions in support for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens.
But by targeting moderate groups and commentators, smearing their names with false associations with murderous racists, and attempting to simultaneously interfere with Constitutionally protected freedoms of Americans, the SPLC has gone too far and has become a threat to the American rules, principles, ideals and freedoms necessary to allow peaceful political change and diffuse calls for violence from the extremes.
I personally feel that the actions of the SPLC are increasing the chances of political violence in America as this group is trying to silence free expression of concerns and redress of grievances of tens of millions of Americans. The Americans the SPLC is targeting are not some violent fringe group, they are heartland Americans of every race and political party that believe in the founding principles of the United States!
Since the SPLC is actively involved in state and Federal legislation to reinforce their anti-American agenda, and since the SPLC has been identified in the effort to turn American police into political police, and since the SPLC is now fully on record calling for the firing of one of America's most respected and revered news show hosts on CNN, let us therefore resolve to seek the political removal of the SPLC from the media and political processes they seek to control.
We do not advocate anyone lift a finger in anger against them, but to engage in the process that we support and use the freedoms we still have for their intended purpose. The pen and the computer keyboard is mightier than the sword and is the apt response to this threat. The truth and a majority of Americans are on our side and all we need to do is channel that power down on the heads of those responsible for these outrages at the SPLC.
Let us speak out with one voice against the SPLC and challenge the presence and messages of their spokespeople such as Richard Cohen, Morris Dees, Mark Potok, Heidi Beirich, and others when they are masquerading as a civil rights group before the media and lawmakers.
Let us reach out to Americans that have been funding the Southern Poverty Law Center that have been led to believe that the groups focus is on fighting radical violent groups. They need to know that their funds are being used to attack American freedoms that are important to us all. It is time for someone to launch an education campaign to counter what the SPLC is trying to do to our nation and to people like Lou Dobbs.
The SPLC is dead wrong on what they are trying to do and how they are going about it and we cannot sit idle as they move to destroy the last vestiges of freedom in America when so many of our brethren and forebears have paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect those freedoms for us all. _________________ Vox populi vox Dei
Ad majorem Dei gloriam
I gave donations to Southern Poverty Law Center for several years on a fairly regular basis. I was working at the time and could afford it and felt that it was a good cause. Something happened, I believe it was about 4 years ago, I noticed a distinct change in their letters and then read that their leadership was in some kind of trouble. I became ill and retired about this time and unfortunately cannot remember what it was, but I do remember that it made me angry and I have not contributed to them since, although I occasionally still receive literature from them. From what I have read here
it seems that their leadership has done a complete reversal to what they were espousing in the beginning! Or perhaps it was hidden and not as easily discerned. I now wonder if there are people who are contributing to them who are not aware of their position?
Joined: Jul 25, 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Peekskill, NY
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: How quickly things can change!
Many movements throughout the course of history certainly have started out with very good and sound intentions. Civil rights? Sure, years ago many did not have civil or equal rights and a movement called the Civil Right was formed and for good reason. What has happened to this movement? What happened to the end of segregation? Many remember the 1955 incident in Montgomery, Alabama when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat to a white rider. Sure, why should she? She had the same right to sit in that seat as anyone else.
Segregation is wrong! Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement paved the way to end this. People of all races now enjoy equal rights and segregation was outlawed, or at least this is what we are told to believe. What are we seeing now? Black only radio stations, tv stations, magazines, colleges and many other things. Isn’t this segregation? When one race denies another race equal rights it is a violation of the same Civil Rights that this movement was founded under.
I know there are many that will not agree with this. Then again, there were many that did not agree with the original motives for the Civil Rights movement. Amazing when one only sees what they want to see.
It appears that something has seriously changed within the leadership of this organization, The Southern Poverty Law Center has dropped the ball. Somewhere, along the way they forgot what it is that they are fighting for. Now they are attacking other American’s First Amendment rights. It defeats the purpose of what they are all about! _________________ I am a Son Of The American Revolution.
I have to disagree that segregation is not now complete. I have 5 black grandchildren and 7 black great-grandchildren. They are all well educated, well dressed, and live in what would be considered middle to upper-middle
class homes. They are all honest, christian, hard-working, and good parents.
Their friends consist of both blacks and whites and none of them have ever been associated with any organization, or workplace which was all black. None of them have ever been in trouble with the law either.
They all did well in school and 2 earned athletic scholarships. One in football and the other in basketball. The youngest was offered 4 scholarships in music! And "NO" they did not get their athletic prowess from the black side. My father and his 4 brothers all were outstanding athletes and our heritage is all white on all sides except for one Sioux Indian. They were born and raised most of their lives in Arizona but graduated high school in Kentucky. Their church is an integrated protestant church and they are all active in that church. I live in another state and before I retired was an RN. When showing some of my co-workers pictures of my black grandchildren several of the young, white girls wanted to know how they could go about meeting those guys because they thought they were really handsome. And they are!! There may be instances of intolerance in places but no matter what, you will always find that no matter where you go!
This is an April article, but it relates to this topic:
Money Inspires Anti-Immigrant Rhetoric of Lou Dobbs and Talk Radio, Says La Raza Official
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) – Clarissa Martinez De Castro, director of immigration and national campaigns for the National Council of La Raza, says that money inspires the anti-immigration rhetoric of talk radio hosts and CNN’s Lou Dobbs. She took part in a panel discussion at an Anti-Defamation League (ADL) conference in Washington, D.C. on Monday.
“People like Lou Dobbs and other similar folks, to go from a certain platform to a very shrill voice and persona that they have got, is they’re making money, folks, right?” Martinez said when an audience member asked how to “educate someone like Lou Dobbs?
“The thing about Lou Dobbs is you can’t educate somebody like Lou Dobbs,” Martinez said. “Because what guys like Lou Dobbs does, or what he did at some point, at this point, I’m not sure if he’s lost it completely.”
Martinez also said money inspired “the very disturbing voices” on talk radio.
“So if you look at some of the very disturbing voices that you hear on [immigration] issues on talk radio, or Lou Dobbs, for example, is they’re making some money,” Martinez said.
Much of the conference’s workshops and programs focused on the ADL’s mission to stop anti-Semitism and racism and support the state of Israel and the Jewish community in the United States. But one workshop, “Immigration: Toward a Civil and Bigotry-Free Discussion,” featured Martinez; Frank Sharry, founder of America’s Voice, a pro-immigrant advocacy group; and Stacy Burdett, ADL’s associate director of Government and National Affairs.
During the question-and-answer sesssion for that panel, Martinez said Dobbs and other anti-amnesty commentators should be held accountable.
“I think that there is also another very disturbing thing for all of us: that at the end of the day these folks are on the air and their stations are not holding them accountable to what being on the public airwaves means,” Martinez said.
She told the audience that targeting advertisers may be a way to chip away at the success of shows like “The Lou Dobbs Show” on CNN.
“Some of the things we’ve discovered is that many companies actually don’t know that they are indeed sponsoring Lou Dobbs because of the way that the messages are sold,” Martinez said.
“So we are looking into that, and I think that there are--perhaps if Lou Dobbs feels that that persona makes him money--perhaps there may be other individuals, institutions and companies--it’s not just from the public sector--who might feel otherwise,” she added.
“And so, you are going to see a lot more work around those [sponsors],” Martinez said.
The ADL’s three-day Shana Amy Glass National Leadership Conference wrapped up on Tuesday with Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano addressing the conference.
The National Council of La Raza, a politically liberal group, is a national Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization with headquarters in Washington, D.C.
IMO,many should strive to to remain as true to what they think and say as Lou Dobbs seems to.
He is hated by the open border lobby because he makes a clear distinction between immigrant and{illegal immigrant}.
Immigrant suggest that the person came to this country thru the legal process mandated by US laws.
Illegal immigrant suggest the person came to this country by overstaying a visa that had expired and just disappeared into the population,walked, ran crossed the Rio Grande wading, swimming was drove in a vehicle that avoided legal checkpoints.
What is remarkable to me is the elite continue in the same policy both Republican and Democrat and use these people and ultra liberal whites in this country to maintain their hold on power.
It was stated recently that the Negro race make up roughly 13% of the population.What part of that % is of voting age registered and positioned to cast a ballot?
Same question about those from south of the border.
If we assume that the two races total 25% of the the voting population then I would think that it would follow that the liberal whites put Barack Hussein Obama in office.
Congratulations are in order.
As for immigration neither party will nominate a candidate that will stand up and say what is going on with these people over running our country and pushing institutions into bankruptcy.c
California should be a case study of the cause and effect of illegals on a local ,state and federal level.
It will take more than words to stop this being pushed upon the taxpayers of our country.
I am a white man who grew up poor in rural Mississippi and the SPLC never hinted that they might help me. I could be mistaken though. I thought I grew up chopping and picking cotton but the only pictures I see now show only blacks doing it. Who says we have a liberal media?
Joined: Apr 28, 2007 Posts: 68 Location: Philly Area
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject:
mooney wrote:
I thought I grew up chopping and picking cotton but the only pictures I see now show only blacks doing it. Who says we have a liberal media?
I thought there might have been just a few whites, blacks and asians who also did agriculture out in the west, but I could be mistaken. Apparently only "hispanics" are competent enough to do those jobs. After all, that's all you see in pictures and video, so it must have always been true. _________________ Diggers Realm
I thought I grew up chopping and picking cotton but the only pictures I see now show only blacks doing it. Who says we have a liberal media?
I thought there might have been just a few whites, blacks and asians who also did agriculture out in the west, but I could be mistaken. Apparently only "hispanics" are competent enough to do those jobs. After all, that's all you see in pictures and video, so it must have always been true.
With what the Globalists are doing to America right now, we may all be lucky to pick cotton soon.
W _________________ Vox populi vox Dei
Ad majorem Dei gloriam
It's obvious that groups like the SPLC and LaRaza are the ones trying to keep racism alive in this country. The general population in America do not even think about racism when Lou is doing a broadcast on illegal immigration, or on the controversy of Obama's birth certificate. They instead see what is right and what is wrong, and worry about the lawless direction this country is taking. Political groups are also to blame, like the Hispanic Caucus, the Black Caucus, etc. These are the ones who put labels on people instead of treating everyone as Americans. Until we get rid of the labels, nothing will change in this country, and our government is the biggest offender of this practice.
Joined: Jul 25, 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Peekskill, NY
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:12 pm Post subject: Racism, only one way?
I am fortunate to retire from civil service 2 years ago. I split my time between the good ole USA and another country in the Caribbean. While sitting in an outdoor bar, there were two gentlemen sitting on the other side of the small bar. The two men noticed that I was speaking to my friend in a foreign language other then English and they began to laugh and call me racial insults. They started that chest pumping nonsense that they are African Americans. The insults started, “Cracker, honkey, devil, ice man” and “who does that silly a** white boy think he is, talking that bulls*it?” They had no clue what I was talking about, they were just pissed off that I was speaking in a language they did not understand. The stinking nasty insults rolling out of their mouth was pure racism!
My friend, who happened to be the same color as they, but obviously not American, gave them a piece of his mind. He straight out told them to take their racist garbage and go back to the US with it. The West Indians in this country don’t stand for that. They say it is American propaganda created by troublemakers. Here I am, living in a different country, far removed from this nonsense with wonderful people of color that don’t buy into this, and what do I get thrown in my face. Pure racial hatred, American style! _________________ I am a Son Of The American Revolution.
I have to disagree that segregation is not now complete. I have 5 black grandchildren and 7 black great-grandchildren. They are all well educated, well dressed, and live in what would be considered middle to upper-middle
class homes. They are all honest, christian, hard-working, and good parents.
Their friends consist of both blacks and whites and none of them have ever been associated with any organization, or workplace which was all black. None of them have ever been in trouble with the law either.
They all did well in school and 2 earned athletic scholarships. One in football and the other in basketball. The youngest was offered 4 scholarships in music! And "NO" they did not get their athletic prowess from the black side. My father and his 4 brothers all were outstanding athletes and our heritage is all white on all sides except for one Sioux Indian. They were born and raised most of their lives in Arizona but graduated high school in Kentucky. Their church is an integrated protestant church and they are all active in that church. I live in another state and before I retired was an RN. When showing some of my co-workers pictures of my black grandchildren several of the young, white girls wanted to know how they could go about meeting those guys because they thought they were really handsome. And they are!! There may be instances of intolerance in places but no matter what, you will always find that no matter where you go!
Thank you for sharing that information about your family! I do hope segregation is over or at least nearly so. That's great news!
Now we have to work to save everyone's job from illegal immigration and excessive legal immigration. There will be terrible suffering if we don't succeed because there are more people than jobs and that is unacceptable.
_________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
I used to respect Julian Bond and Southern Poverty Law Center. But now, while I still respect Julian Bond, I have no respect at all for the SPLC. Julian is still on the Board of Directors, and I can't believe he would be selling out the American People using these types of tactics to support illegal immigration which hurts poor people the most, which means still today it hurts Black Americans the most because still today, they only earn the lowest in our country of only $34,000 per average household while the average for all households is $50,000 and non-hispanic whites is $52,000 and Asians are way up there at $64,000! Julian should put an end to this or his legacy will go up in smoke. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: SPLC
Dear Mr. Gheen,
I wanted to make a comment based upon the assertion that the SPLC once had good intentions.
In the mid to late 1990s I was the secretary for Americans for Constitutional Integrity (ACI). ACI was a group of individuals that advocated a return to strict adherence to the Constitution as written by the founders. Non racist and non partisan ACI was open to all people except those who advocated violence. We believed in personal liberty and limited government. Yet we were placed on the front page of the hate group web site. This was used to place us under FBI and BATF surveillance (confirmed by a number of our police/sheriff department members).
I must from my own experience with the SPLC maintain that the SPLC is and has always been an enemy of the Constitution, and an organ of suppression and Marxist activism. Morris Dees has a long history of anti-American rhetoric and activities that are easily researched.
In closing, please keep up your good work on the illegal immigration issue.
"In fact, what is most shocking is that the SPLC has spent far more resources hounding conservative organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies, and prominent citizens like CNN's award-winning anchor Lou Dobbs, than it has protecting the civil rights of American voters...."
Posted August 10, 2099 06:34 PM
Mission Creep and the Southern Poverty Law Center's Misguided Focus
In case you missed the story, last November 4th a polling precinct in Philadelphia, PA was patrolled by an organization called the New Black Panther Party, a Marxist group that in 2000, was listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a racial hate group. Video footage shot in 2008, show Black Panther precinct workers intimidating white voters. This was covered by the news organizations, and resulted in charges being filed by the Bush Department of Justice, whose job it is to defend and protect the voting rights of all Americans.
What should have been an open and shut case has become something more troubling, after the Eric Holder-led Justice Department dropped charges against the Black Panthers, who supported President Obama. Currently, this decision to drop the charges, is being challenged by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, (an organization with which I am affiliated).
Now this is the part where things really get interesting.
The SPLC has been mum on the issue, despite the fact that in 2000, it included the New Black Panther Party among its annual list of hate groups. In fact, what is most shocking is that the SPLC has spent far more resources hounding conservative organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies, and prominent citizens like CNN's award-winning anchor Lou Dobbs, than it has protecting the civil rights of American voters, which includes white people as well as black. The unrelenting attacks on Mr. Dobbs and others are shameless. The once venerable organization wages war against conservative individuals, principles, and organizations. How unfortunate for America. How unfortunate for the organization's founders.
There is a name for what has happened. It is called "mission creep." Mission creep occurs when an organization strays beyond its original purpose and engages in actions antithetical to its goals. Rather than monitoring hate groups, the Southern Poverty Law Center has become one.
Aug 12 12:09 AM US/Eastern
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.
The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.
Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.
It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s—right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.
Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.
"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."
The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.
While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.
But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.
These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.
The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.
The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.
Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.
Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.
"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.
A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.
The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.
One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:06 am Post subject:
Anybody besides me think this Eileen Sullivan is an operative of the government?
Clearly, the crushing oppression by this administration is about to be set in motion. I'd wager that "spark" Bart McEntire mentioned has already been prepared and awaits activation, and it will be a false-flag act originating within the government to facilitate the crackdown all of us instinctively know is coming.
Eileen Sullivan could very well be a government "plant" or whatever you might want to call her. The government may pull a faux crackdown on the people. They are stupid if they do, because most people who are prepared for just such a thing, will never be known until the "real" thing happens and I have a feeling that there will be an astonishing number who will participate, of all colors and all ages. The people are really angry and the more that the government threatens the madder they get! Their(the government) little ideological minds tell them that they are superior in every way to the "common "man and will soon be able to rule the country their way. They will continue to spend money like the proverbial "drunken sailor" and lord it over the rest of us. So they think. Hitler and Stalin got away with it for about 12 to 25 years, depending on which one it was. Germany with the help of the U.S. now is pretty well off, but Russia with the added years of repression has never been able to completely come out of it. Putin is ex-KBG so its no wonder. Another scary thing is that they will leave us vulnerable to China and Russia who are both moving into our hemisphere via the Panama Canal(run by China) and South American countries hostile to the U.S. and friendly with the Russians.
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