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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: May Day march creates dilemma for Hispanics
EMILY C. RUIZ
Globe Gazette
Pro-immigrant groups across the country are preparing to stage a series of marches May 1, pressing the White House and the Homeland Security Department to halt immigration raids and move forward on comprehensive immigration reform.
“Change is in the air,” Juan Jose Gutierrez, director of the Los Angeles-based Latino Movement USA, promises.
This year marks the third grass-roots-organized May Day event with two unique factors:
— The marches are being guided by a national coordinating committee — The First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A.
— This is the first time that the marches will be held during a presidential election year.
Pro-immigrant groups from throughout the United States met in Mexico City in November to form the First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A. Attracting minimal press attention, they formed the first national coordinating committee for the May Day marches. The initiating body consists of 46 members representing 23 states.
“The idea is that every single state and territory in the Union where we have Latinos living and working should have representation,” says Gutierrez.
National political analysts have been in open agreement for months that the outcome of the 2008 presidential election will depend heavily on the Latino and immigrant vote.
Where the experts part ways is in assessing the impact national demonstrations will have on other voters. Even among Latinos, opinions range widely.
National Council of La Raza President Janet Murguia handles the subject with cautious concern.
“Marches visually demonstrate to each of us that we are not alone, but this year there is only one march that will truly empower our community and demonstrate our clout. Our next march must be to the voting booth this November.”
Elena Rios, president of the National Hispanic Medical Association, counters, “If the marches are anything like they have been in the last few years, where more of our community are showing their pride and commitment to their fellow Latinos, whether they’re documented or not, I think it’s fantastic. I hope it gets media attention — and more than just Univision and Telemundo. I hope we get on CNN and mainstream English media talking about the importance of the Latino vote in this election year. It will have an impact.”
Chicago Sun-Times columnist Esther Cepeda has doubts: “The marches have become unproductive. They cause a yawn among news editors and reporters and create a backlash from anti-Hispanic forces. I don’t think the mass demonstrations get people who otherwise aren’t energized about the upcoming presidential elections to go out and get registered to vote. Is there even enough time left? There certainly isn’t to get citizenship.”
Gutierrez bristles at those who insist that immigration reform can’t happen in an election year.
“They say everyone should wait until sometime after the November elections. I disagree. Nothing can hurt the pro-immigration-rights movement more than doing nothing.”
He offers as evidence: “Never before have the candidates had to deal with the issue of immigration in a very direct way.”
Jose Garza of Dallas, executive director of the League of United Latin American Citizens’ National Housing Commission, notes, “We need to take whatever action is necessary to get this Congress, the future Congress and the future president to really deal with the issues of the immigrant worker. What we are asking for is fairness and equity. When it’s time to mobilize, we can do it correctly.”
The turnout of marchers has decreased nationally since 2.5 million participated in 2006.
Gutierrez blames “the lack of nerve on the part of significant members of the Spanish-speaking media who have helped persuade the community not to continue to participate in the mobilization.”
But, he contends, “that slogan, ‘Hoy marchamos, manana votamos’ — ‘Today we march, tomorrow we vote’ — has crystallized the movement. People are beginning to feel their power, both when we take to the streets and when we go to the ballot box.”
— Emily C. Ruiz is a reporter with Hispanic Link News Service in Washington. E-mail Emily@hispaniclink.org.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:21 am Post subject:
Chicago Sun-Times columnist Esther Cepeda has doubts: “The marches have become unproductive. They cause a yawn among news editors and reporters and create a backlash from anti-Hispanic forces.
Bingo. Only not anit-Hispanic. Anti those who have entered or stayed in our country illegally. The marches of '06 made me aware of this issue.
We'll see what the third round of marches bring. Last year the numbers were way down.
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: May Day march creates dilemma for Hispanics
ALIPAC wrote:
Pro-immigrant groups from throughout the United States met in Mexico City in November to form the First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A. Attracting minimal press attention, they formed the first national coordinating committee for the May Day marches. The initiating body consists of 46 members representing 23 states.
“The idea is that every single state and territory in the Union where we have Latinos living and working should have representation,” says Gutierrez.
What happened to representation for the citizens of America, whatever their race???? If you are a citizen, you deserve representation - if not - you deserve nothing here.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:25 am Post subject:
where is ICE .. you know the
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have hundreds of busses on hand for this extravaganza and deport, deport, deport _________________ I'm a Conservative ~ "BOO" and According to Obama and Napolitano I am (AKA) the "Boogieman"
where is ICE .. you know the
Incompetant
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Enigma
have hundreds of busses on hand for this extravaganza and deport, deport, deport
GREAT IDEA! Any way to do it legally? Don't they have to have a reason to ask for ID?
Why not?
I find it ironic that any of our government agencies have to worry about doing their LEGAL jobs, when it comes to those who are here illegally. Boggles the mind.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:
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“Change is in the air,” Juan Jose Gutierrez, director of the Los Angeles-based Latino Movement USA, promises.
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— The marches are being guided by a national coordinating committee — The First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A.
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Pro-immigrant groups from throughout the United States met in Mexico City in November to form the First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A.
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“The idea is that every single state and territory in the Union where we have Latinos living and working should have representation,” says Gutierrez.
There are more sentences I could quote from the article but I'm sure you get the idea that this march is only about latinos. Then they wonder why the perception is that illegal aliens are latinos from mexico. Esther Cepeda had it right when she said:
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create a backlash from anti-Hispanic forces
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Please march. More sheeple wake up on May 1 than any other day of the year! It's also a great day to go shopping and eat away from home plus it's a very good learning day for schoolchildren!
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:
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There are more sentences I could quote from the article but I'm sure you get the idea that this march is only about latinos. Then they wonder why the perception is that illegal aliens are latinos from mexico.
Got that right. I honestly can't think of a single time in which any other illegal, of non-hispanic decent, had the pro-illegal group out marching and protesting for them. It's ALWAYS Latino issues. Even in the big march....you didn't hear the hate talk from the non-hispanic illegals. I remember I think it was the group from China....they had their Chinese flag....but they carried it like a banner waist high during the march. You didn't see "Anglos go back to Europe" on signs or any other hate talk. Even when they panned the crowds.....there's a difference with people yelling who are standing up for themselves.....and another with the tangable hate. Didn't see the vulgar behavior from the other groups. To be honest when they tried to ride the coat-tails of the African-Americans.....I figured they might say something about the groups from Haiti caught and immediatly deported. But not a whisper. Dirt cookies and a trek through the ocean is hardly an easy ride. But no....they're the only ones who are poor, only ones having to learn English, only ones working hard for minimul pay....please. Many people who were a part of the original marches were there because of long wait times, years waiting for their families to join them here....people actually with legit reform issues. But as with everything it boiled down to just Latino rights and they just had the others tag along as their tokens to make them look fair and balanced. Even the "tolkens" knew they weren't concerned about them and never steped up again behind the Latino movement. Why hang out all day just listening to Latinos give speeches in Spanish?
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:26 am Post subject:
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— The marches are being guided by a national coordinating committee — The First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A.
Pro-immigrant groups from throughout the United States met in Mexico City in November to form the First Parliament of Mexican Migrant Leaders Living in the U.S.A.
“The idea is that every single state and territory in the Union where we have Latinos living and working should have representation,” says Gutierrez.
The only conclusion I come to from the above is we are being invaded by Mexico/Latin America. The will of the American people, our laws and sovereignty mean nothing to these people, they reject them and want to impose their own laws and sovereignty. Any American citizen (especially politicians) who assist this invasion are guilty of treason.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:
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The only conclusion I come to from the above is we are being invaded by Mexico/Latin America.
Sure looks that way to me. Calderone and Fox sticking their noses in.....demanding jobs and better pay for their people and everything. Must speak Spanish. Oppertunities no one else gets.......
The illegal alien marches were first initiated by the cartel of pro-Mexican illegal alien groups many of which are fronts and do work for the MExican government (whose interest in keeping the illegal alien Mexican population here (instead of in Mexico) is based purely on GREED).
The Mexican government has used the Institute for Mexican Abroad (solely created and funded for that purpose), the Hermandad Mexicana, of course, LA RAZA, LULAC, MALDEF. Many of the "leaders" of these organizations and others belong to more than one group. La RAZA has over 500 "affiliates" nationwide, the Mexican Consulate has 47 Consulates.
powerful image...and if they don't call that an invasion...then what is an "invasion"? That was not a horde of AMERICANS marching. But, they did awaken law-abiding Americans and immigrants to take stock, and take action against this illegal immigration anarchy.
I, for one, am looking forward to May 1st. Traffic will be light, stores will be bright, clean and uncrowded. My kids will be able to learn the way they are meant to learn....sounds like Utopia to me! Im going to make sure I am out "stimulating the economy" on May 1st.
By the way, I hope all the "protesters" do thier usual thing....start some fights, burn the US flag, fly the mex flag above the USA flag, riot, flip the bird to the camera, display handwritten anti-American signs (curse words included), drop F-bombs and basically do things that make true Americans sick. More and more people will wake up to our cause. _________________ It's immoral to vote for any candidate who is not going to uphold the fundamental tenets of our Constitution.
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: who is juan jose guitterez, ...Mexican Socialist/Marxist
uan Jose Gutierrez, ANSWER, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and NBC News
Juan Jose Gutierrez Juan Jose Gutierrez is the director of Latino Movement USA, and NBC News featured him as a spokesman for the Hispanic community last month. A week before then, he was a featured speaker at a public forum sponsored by the "Party for Socialism and Liberation". The flyer for that is to the right, and a description of the event is here. Note that the other featured speaker was Karina Garcia, the Political Chair of the Chicano Caucus at Columbia University (columbia.edu/cu/chicanocaucus).
Did NBC News know about this? Perhaps they did, but they were convinced to run the segment without identifying his underlying beliefs because of his links to the SEIU and Los Angeles mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.
Maybe after airing that report they also found out about the Los Angeles branch of that party holding their 3rd annual "Socialism Conference" on November 11:
...The day will begin with a focus on fighting the capitalist offensive, including the meaning of the capitalist mid-term elections; immigrant rights and the case for amnesty; fighting the Minutemen and right-wing attacks; Black liberation and socialist struggle; and the struggle against racism, sexism and homophobia, and for working class unity...
...Featured speakers include Brian Becker, Party for Socialism and Liberation and National Coordinator of the ANSWER Coalition (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism); Karina Garcia, Political Chair of the Chicano Caucus at Columbia University in New York; Muna Coobtee, Free Palestine Alliance; Eugene Puryear, Howard University student leader; Gloria La Riva, Coordinator of the National Committee to Free the Cuban Five; Ian Thompson, Editor of PSLweb.org; Juan Jose Gutierrez, Director of Latino Movement USA; Carlos Alvarez, Youth & Student ANSWER; Angelina Corona, Executive Director of Hermandad Mexicana Nacional; and Preston Wood, Coordinator of ANSWER Coalition-LA...
Surely, the crack researchers at NBC News discovered this.
And, just as surely, they've read the article "Latinos Threaten to Take to the Streets":
Tuesday US Latino organizations threatened to carry out mass demonstrations on the streets of the United States if Congress refuses to take actions favoring immigrants.
[The executive director of the DC chapter of the Central American Resources Center (CARECEN-DC) Saul Solorzano]* urged for an all-embracing migratory reform to authenticate 11.2 million people with no identity papers.
We'll wait 110 days [for the new Democratic Congress], if in that time the legislative body does not act, "we will," he warned.
...USA Latino Movement director Juan Jose Gutierrez expressed his opposition to Congress and White House propaganda for their interests to the detriment of immigrants.
One of the points on the Democrats agenda will be modification of the US migration laws, which House Democratic leader Harry Reid called a failed system.
Nancy Pelosi, who will be first female House speaker, hopes to reach a bipartisan accord on this topic.
*In the article, he's refered to as "Central American Resources Center executive director Raul Solorzano", but his first name is actually Saul.
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: who is juan jose guitterez, ...Mexican Socialist/Marxist
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And, just as surely, they've read the article "Latinos Threaten to Take to the Streets":
Tuesday US Latino organizations threatened to carry out mass demonstrations on the streets of the United States if Congress refuses to take actions favoring immigrants.
"We'll wait 110 days [for the new Democratic Congress], if in that time the legislative body does not act, "we will," he warned.
Your 110 days were up 300 days ago, why haven't you taken it to the streets USA Latino? Or are you referring to your pathetic May Day protest last year?
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: who is juan jose guitterez, ...Mexican Socialist/Marxist
Bowman wrote:
legalatina wrote:
And, just as surely, they've read the article "Latinos Threaten to Take to the Streets":
Tuesday US Latino organizations threatened to carry out mass demonstrations on the streets of the United States if Congress refuses to take actions favoring immigrants.
"We'll wait 110 days [for the new Democratic Congress], if in that time the legislative body does not act, "we will," he warned.
Your 110 days were up 300 days ago, why haven't you taken it to the streets? Or are you referring to your pathetic May Day protest last year?
Bowman are you speaking to Legalatina or the article? Legalatina is an American and is on our side.
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: who is juan jose guitterez, ...Mexican Socialist/Marxist
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Bowman wrote:
legalatina wrote:
And, just as surely, they've read the article "Latinos Threaten to Take to the Streets":
Tuesday US Latino organizations threatened to carry out mass demonstrations on the streets of the United States if Congress refuses to take actions favoring immigrants.
"We'll wait 110 days [for the new Democratic Congress], if in that time the legislative body does not act, "we will," he warned.
Your 110 days were up 300 days ago, why haven't you taken it to the streets? Or are you referring to your pathetic May Day protest last year?
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Bowman are you speaking to Legalatina or the article? Legalatina is an American and is on our side.
He was refering to the quoting (article)Legalatina did in her post!! _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: ignorance and arrogance
I just wonder why they don’t protest in their own countries, it just shows their ignorance and arrogance. I too hope they march, it will turn more Americans against the invasion. This has potential for some infighting to start with in their own groups, you can already see the power struggle.
There will be some ugly events no doubt caused by these groups, so be sure to have a camera of some type with you. I’m sure they will be coaching them to carry US Flags, bought at walmart made in another county. This would be a great opportunity for ICE to make record bust, but I have little faith they will do anything. _________________ <div>Do your job and enforce the law!
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject: Re: ignorance and arrogance
2manyia-lasvegas wrote:
I just wonder why they don’t protest in their own countries, it just shows their ignorance and arrogance. I too hope they march, it will turn more Americans against the invasion. This has potential for some infighting to start with in their own groups, you can already see the power struggle.
There will be some ugly events no doubt caused by these groups, so be sure to have a camera of some type with you. I’m sure they will be coaching them to carry US Flags, bought at walmart made in another county. This would be a great opportunity for ICE to make record bust, but I have little faith they will do anything.
They do it here because they call us Americans "suckers". America is not "macho" enough to stand up to them. They don't have the cajones to protest in their own countries, because they know they will lose.
America is perceived as weak. When are we gonna get it?
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Esther Cepeda had it right when she said: 
How could anyone forget...Please do it again, one more big push like that should send a whole lot more Americans right over the edge!! 
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