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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: Poll: More rights for immigrants a hard sell
Poll: More rights for immigrants a hard sell
Survey dealt with licensing, tuition
By Zach Patberg • and Kim Predham • STAFF WRITERS • March 24, 2009
Proposals to offer illegal immigrants in-state college tuition rates and driver's licenses face an uphill battle in garnering public support, according to a Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll.
Sixty-two percent of New Jersey residents oppose granting illegal immigrants some type of limited driver's license. Even when presented with counterarguments that the licenses would make the state safer and keep undesirable jobs filled, almost 90 percent of the opponents remained steadfast.
"I just don't think they (illegal immigrants) should have all the rights that legal citizens and occupants of the United States do," said David Mitchell, 58, of Point Pleasant Beach. "We have to follow laws. . . . If we're going to dismiss the law for them, we might as well dismiss all the laws."
Gov. Jon S. Corzine has called together experts to examine ways of integrating undocumented residents into the general population. The group, called the Blue Ribbon Advisory Panel on Immigrant Policy, has reportedly considered the tuition and license ideas as part of an overall report that it delivered to Corzine last month. The report has not been made public.
Regarding lower, in-state tuition rates, 20 percent of residents favored extending the rates to illegal immigrants, with 39 percent saying the state's public colleges should shut their doors to the population entirely, according to the poll.
Just 32 percent said children of undocumented immigrants deserved in-state tuition rates.
"What this tells me is that this issue is a real hot potato right now," said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute, West Long Branch. "It reflects the tough job you (the state) have to go out there and sell this to a public that is already not very supportive."
Brad Petersen, 45, of Howell expressed concern about the dangers of giving licenses to illegal immigrants, who he said might use false names.
"That would open us up to security risks," he said.
But Rita Dentino, a coordinator for the immigrant advocacy group Casa Freehold, said granting driving privileges could actually make the state's highways safer because there would be fewer people on the road without licenses, registration or insurance.
Karen Anderson of Brick agreed. Three years ago, her 17-year-old son was in a car accident in which the driver who hit him fled the scene and did not have a valid license plate. If the driver, whom police believed was an undocumented immigrant, had been issued a license, he likely would have had insurance and his identity would have been on file for the police to track, Anderson said.
Instead, the driver was not caught, and her son had to wait tables for weeks to pay for the damage to his car, she said.
"It would be a safer and better situation for everyone," Anderson said.
As for the question of tuition, Dentino supported charging undocumented immigrants the same rate as other state residents for college.
"They certainly deserve a chance to go on to college," she said. "That way they will be productive members of our society."
Shai Goldstein, executive director of New Jersey Immigration Policy Network, a statewide advocacy coalition, objected to the poll's questions. He said they failed to reflect the complexity of the issues surrounding immigration.
"When you engage the public with simplistic questions that don't get to the heart of various issues, it creates a problem," he said. "There is a lot of educating that we in the advocacy community need to do, but these are not the type of questions I would have expected from Monmouth University."
Goldstein also criticized releasing the poll before the release of the panel's report.
Murray said a pollster's job was to ask the questions "in the way the typical New Jerseyan sees them." He added that the poll was not released until it was clear that the governor's report was not going to be made public in the foreseeable future.
A Corzine spokesman, Robert Corrales, had no comment on when the report would be made public.
The telephone poll was conducted from Feb. 2-8. It had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Gannett New Jersey newspapers are the Asbury Park Press, the Courier-Post, the Home News Tribune, the Courier News, the Daily Record and the Daily Journal.
Karen Anderson of Brick agreed. Three years ago, her 17-year-old son was in a car accident in which the driver who hit him fled the scene and did not have a valid license plate. If the driver, whom police believed was an undocumented immigrant, had been issued a license, he likely would have had insurance and his identity would have been on file for the police to track, Anderson said.
LOL! Do ya really think illegal aliens will stop using multiple ID if they were able to get a license? Do ya really think they'll pay for insurance too? They couldn't care less about making the streets "safer" dear, they are here for the cold, hard cash and government handouts. They will continue with the way they've been, you only have to look at how they did things in their own countries..they bring that culture with them. Drunk driving in many 3rd world countries is not a crime, they won't stop doing it just because they're squatting here!
NO LICENSES! NO INSTATE TUITON! NO JOBS! NO HANDOUTS! Shut down ALL incentives until they have no choice but to leave! If Casa Freehold and other advocates want them here, THEY can pay to house,feed,clothe,educate and medicate them! _________________ "If you love our nation, STOP illegal immigration!"
"They certainly deserve a chance to go on to college," she said. "That way they will be productive members of our society."
They deserve NOTHING!!!! They will not be productive members . . . they will continue to collect everything they can for free and send their money back to Mexico. _________________ "A Nation of sheep will beget a government of Wolves" -Edward R. Murrow
added to the homepage and today's email alert on CO and NJ!
Poll: Licenses and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants massively opposed!
ALIPAC NOTE: Please distribute this poll to all state and federal lawmakers with a note explaining that 62% opposition in this New Jersey poll is much lower than most other polls on this issue that range 70-80% opposed to licenses and in-state tuition for illegal immigrants.
Joined: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 12437 Location: North Carolina
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject:
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As for the question of tuition, Dentino supported charging undocumented immigrants the same rate as other state residents for college.
"They certainly deserve a chance to go on to college," she said. "That way they will be productive members of our society."
Please tell me how a college degree is going to make illegal aliens productive members of society? Least we forget, it's not legal for them to work here. An amnesty hasn't been passed yet, bucko!
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: Polls
What I find enlightening about this article is that the pro-amnesty people actually reveal in here that they bias these polls. Here we have a simple-straightforward poll that finds most respondents opposed to rewarding illegal aliens. One pro-amnesty person then comments that this poll is too simplistic and that the questions need to be worded in a more complex manner. In other words, the poll question needs to be steered toward a pro-amnesty result. I think the major newspapers have been especially bad in this regard.
Joined: Nov 01, 2007 Posts: 3642 Location: New Alien City-(formerly New York City)
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject:
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Gov. Jon S. Corzine has called together experts to examine ways of integrating undocumented residents into the general population.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this alone mean it has already been decided which direction the state of NJ plans on going? Ignoring the polls and the Public be Damned! _________________ If a man sneaks into your home he is a burglar, not an undocumented tenant you must provide for!
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 5740 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Poll: More rights for immigrants a hard sell
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As for the question of tuition, Dentino supported charging undocumented immigrants the same rate as other state residents for college.
"They certainly deserve a chance to go on to college," she said. "That way they will be productive members of our society."
They can go to college in their country of origin. In fact I recently met a Chinese-American immigrant, who has been here 20 years and is a very patriotic American Citizen, who actually went to college in Mexico first over 2 decades ago to get her undergraduate degree, then came to the US to get her PhD. In other words Mexico has good colleges and has plenty of space for their citizens, there is nor reason we have to educate them!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Poll: More rights for immigrants a hard sell
Bowman wrote:
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As for the question of tuition, Dentino supported charging undocumented immigrants the same rate as other state residents for college.
"They certainly deserve a chance to go on to college," she said. "That way they will be productive members of our society."
They can go to college in their country of origin. In fact I recently met a Chinese-American immigrant, who has been here 20 years and is a very patriotic American Citizen, who actually went to college in Mexico first over 2 decades ago to get her undergraduate degree, then came to the US to get her PhD. In other words Mexico has good colleges and has plenty of space for their citizens, there is nor reason we have to educate them!!!
Because Mexico expects them to PAY for college, they can't use the "race" card there. This is their agenda..1st they want to pass in-state tuiton for illegals. They ultimately want free college education because they're soooo poor. Gimme a freaking break! I say NO to handouts for illegal aliens! _________________ "If you love our nation, STOP illegal immigration!"
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