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    Everyone benefits if illegal immigrants are insured

    Everyone benefits if illegal immigrants are insured

    USA TODAY
    November 12, 2009

    Remember this little heath care drama from September?

    President Obama, addressing Congress: "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false."

    Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C.: "You lie!"

    Hardly a great moment in American political discourse. In fact, it seemed to symbolize how far the quality of civilized debate has fallen. But the noise over illegal immigration and health care reform hasn't gone away, so let's take a look at the substance.

    All versions of medical overhaul would bar illegal immigrants from getting any federal subsidy or participating in the so-called public option, if there is one. But there is a significant difference between the plan passed by the House last week and language in the main Senate bill: The House would let illegal immigrants buy insurance on newly created exchanges. At full cost. With their own money. The measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee would not.

    The House approach is far superior, not just for immigrants but for society as a whole. Just as the public is better protected when illegal immigrants buy auto insurance, the same goes for health coverage.

    Illegal immigrants with the means to buy medical policies should be encouraged to do so in the exchanges, not chased away. Their premiums would help cover costs for everyone else, including older workers, those with previous medical conditions, and women who pay through the nose for maternity coverage if not part of a large pool.

    Fact is, illegal immigrants without insurance will continue to get sick. They will continue to receive care in hospital emergency rooms and clinics, both of which are supported directly or indirectly by taxpayers, the insured population, or both. That being the case, wouldn't we want to encourage those who can help defray the costs to do so?

    Opponents fixate on the government role in setting up the exchanges, "stores" where private companies could offer policies. True, taxpayer money would go to create these marketplaces. But these fixed costs would not go up in any measurable way if illegal immigrants participated.

    Actually, the opposite is true. Weeding out illegal immigrants from the exchanges could be expensive. The costs of checking records would have to be borne by policy holders or taxpayers. And the hassles of proving your legal status could dissuade some legal residents and citizens from buying insurance.

    Such checks would, of course, be imposed on people looking for government assistance -- and rightly so. But they should not be imposed on paying customers. Department stores don't purposefully delay their customers at the checkout line. Why should insurers be forced to?

    For all the political heat surrounding this issue, in truth it would not affect a huge segment of illegal immigrants. According to the non-partisan Migration Policy Institute, of the estimated 12 million unauthorized people in this country, about 3.7 million have insurance through an employer. That would not change as the result of health reform. About 7 million have no insurance at all, and some 362,000 or so buy insurance outside of work. Only the last group, plus the small segment of uninsured who have the means to buy insurance, would be effected.

    Illegal immigration is a serious problem. It should be stopped. For the moment, though, the question is: Do we want to benefit from the immigrants' presence here? Or do we want to get so hung up on the politics of immigration that it leads to warped and nonsensical public health care policies?

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    Illegals should not be covered in ER or anywhere..........

    Illegal immigration is a serious problem. It should be stopped. For the moment, though, the question is: Do we want to benefit from the immigrants' presence here? Or do we want to get so hung up on the politics of immigration that it leads to warped and nonsensical public health care policies?

    Yes, it must be stopped.

    No, we don't benefit at all from having illegals here. The groups that benefit are the illegals/ Anchors, Mexico, Big business, obama and his Dems thugs.........NOT the American people.

    warped and nonsensical public health care policies?
    The true part of this is that this health care policy runs contray to oour constituion and most of the American people don't want it.....and why the H should the American people have to pay one thin dime for health care for illegals/anchors. Gee, I wonder what the agenda of USA Today might be? sarcasm.
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    Everyone benefits if illegal immigrants are insured
    Everyone benifits if ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS go home...

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    Another attempt at making a silk purse out of sow's ear. Amazing.

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    Everyone benefits except the taxpayers left holding the bill.
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    Fact is, illegal immigrants without insurance will continue to get sick. They will continue to receive care in hospital emergency rooms and clinics, both of which are supported directly or indirectly by taxpayers, the insured population, or both. That being the case, wouldn't we want to encourage those who can help defray the costs to do so?
    We want them OUT of OUR Country!
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    Illegals do not BUY insurance/health insurance! THEY ARE ILLEGALS! Are you kidding me!!!! They drive these cars from Mexico to AZ, TX, California and they drive them until the wheels fall off. Their registration is EXPIRED. They do not care about insurance! Its the reason for hit and runs, DUH!

    Its like buying a ticket to game thats already been played!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cclarkkent
    Illegals do not BUY insurance/health insurance! THEY ARE ILLEGALS! Are you kidding me!!!! They drive these cars from Mexico to AZ, TX, California and they drive them until the wheels fall off. Their registration is EXPIRED. They do not care about insurance! Its the reason for hit and runs, DUH!

    Its like buying a ticket to game thats already been played!
    They contribute nothing only take.....and when there car is done they steal more from our streets, malls, whenever they can get them and continue on there merry way wrecking havoc on our roads, and persons......

    Kathyet

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    There are places I REFUSE to shop at, because of the amount of illegal drivers with no insurance. My insurance doubled when I moved to Tucson because of all the illegal drivers. Washington is a LONG way from the border states that deal with the real problems of illegal immigration. It must be nice to live in the perfect world of the Obama Administration and look out through rose colored glasses.
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    . They will continue to receive care in hospital emergency rooms and clinics, both of which are supported directly or indirectly by taxpayers, the insured population, or both.
    Not if our lawmakers had the balls to ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS. Illegal aliens would not have the chance to shut down clinics and hospitals if they were deported like the law stipulates.
    I dont care what illegal aliens do about health insurance. But they are not entitled to get it here or any other country they decide to invade.
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