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President Obama says he wants to change United States immigration policy. But so far, immigration has taken a backseat to other pressing issues, like health care, the economic recession and the ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. But Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a Democrat from Illinois, wants to bump immigration to the top of the President's agenda. Gutierrez explains why he thinks comprehensive immigration reform cannot wait any longer.
JENNIFER LUDDEN, host:
I'm Jennifer Ludden, and this is TELL ME MORE from NPR News. Michel Martin is away.
Coming up, we find out what Haitian migrants want from the Obama administration.
But first, reviving immigration reform. Since taking office in January, President Obama has said repeatedly that he'd like to change U.S. policy on immigration. But the issue has slipped as other priorities crowd the agenda in Congress: kick starting the U.S. economy, performing health care, managing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, advocates say the time to reignite the immigration debate is now.
One person leading the effort is Democratic Congressman Luis Gutierrez. He represents Illinois's 4th District and also chairs the immigration taskforce of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Welcome to the program.
Representative LUIS GUTIERREZ (Democrat, Illinois): Thank you.
LUDDEN: We're going to get to your specific proposal in a minute. But first, let me ask you about timing because clearly the administration and Congress are juggling, you know, a handful of huge issues. Why do you think they also need to squeeze in immigration now?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Well, it's a pressing issue. Twelve million undocumented workers in the United States living in a condition of exploitation, living in fear, living in the shadows of our society, everyday the government picks up undocumented workers and separates them from their children. We've made a promise. I think we should keep it.
LUDDEN: The Obama administration has been continuing parts of the immigration crackdown begun under President Bush, but says it has eased up on other parts. What are you hearing from your constituents who might be affected?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Well, I don't think people are buying a kinder, gentler enforcement. When you wake up in the morning without your dad or without your mom and key members of your family and you see the kind of fear and trepidation that exists in the community, there's no way to be kinder and gentler about this. The fact is that many of the same enforcement procedures have been enhanced under the Barack Obama administration and the same kinds of numbers that we saw - the unprecedented numbers that we saw…
LUDDEN: Deportation numbers.
Rep. GUTIERREZ: …in the last term of George Bush are being matched with those of the first year of Barack Obama.
LUDDEN: Now, when immigration was a top domestic agenda back in 2006 and 2007, it was debated on the floor of Congress. It was hotly debated and divisive. I mean, in many ways, the vitriol we heard then was similar to this past summer when we had the health care debates. Is it possible to have a civilized debate on immigration?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: That's a great question. Is it possible? I think it's necessary. It appears that sometime in February, early March, there'll be a debate on the Senate floor. Is it going to be nasty and mean? Sure, there'll be a lot of people who will use this as a wedge issue once again and bring bigotry and hatred back to the debate. But, you know, what? We have done it before and I think the health care debate is going to help us prepare for this one actually.
LUDDEN: Let's focus on your bill now which you plan to formally introduce, you said, by the end of this year. It's similar to past proposals, smart enforcement at the border and inside the country and eventual legalization for the millions of undocumented in the U.S. There's also a new part, it calls for a commission to match foreign visas with actual labor market demand. Can you explain how that would work?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Here's the principle, the guiding principle. No American worker, no citizen of the United States, no one born here in this country should ever have to lose an opportunity for gainful employment at the expense of someone not born here. And so what we have to do is make it clear that we're matching needs that actually exist in our society for workers in specific areas and specific geographical areas and match them.
LUDDEN: And this would be designed to deal with future demand. I mean right now people say…
Rep. GUTIERREZ: There would be - there would be two ways that you'll deal with future demand. You will deal with future demand on the basis of family reunification. That is, if you're in the United States, obviously there would be provisions in the bill to allow you to bring your wife, to bring your minor children. But we're talking about immediate family. So, you know, we're not talking about you bringing your cousin, not talking about bringing your aunt. With all respect to cousins and aunts, I love mine very, very much. We're talking about your wife, we're talking about your children, we're talking about your mom and your dad and your brothers, your immediate family.
LUDDEN: But would you then restrict for the future the family members that could be brought in?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: No, I think we can find a wonderful combination. I really believe that families are a cornerstone and a bedrock to the continued good functioning of our society. But at the same time, I do understand that you need future flows of immigrants to come to the United States. We have meat packing plants across this country. We have people who are working in the vineyards, just to make it simple, right, and also picking our garlic and our strawberries and every other fruit and vegetable that we eat. Those are important jobs to our economy and so we need a flow of workers to come and perform those jobs.
LUDDEN: Is that still true with about 10 percent unemployment rate? And anytime you talk about a future way to bring in more workers, I mean, what if you then, you know, face another downturn and suddenly you've got too many and people are calling for their deportation again?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Okay. So that is why you need to have it done in a scientific manner. So, many of the meat packing plants, for example, well, they're in small towns in Iowa and Nebraska and Oklahoma and there isn't sufficient population there to fill them. So what do you get? You would get large communities of immigrants moving there, new communities of immigrants working there. Is that somewhat changing? Yeah, it changes. So, there isn't a perfect system, but I think we can get a pretty good system in place.
LUDDEN: You know, President Obama has said he's not likely to turn to immigration before next year…
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Mm-hmm.
LUDDEN: …which is a mid-term election year for many in Congress, yourself included…
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Mm-hmm.
LUDDEN: …realistically speaking, the politics of it all, doesn't that make it really hard to pass legislation on such a contentious issue?
Rep. GUTIERREZ: Yes, it does make it very hard. And so that's why I believe our window is very small. That is to say, you do health care, you get the energy bill passed in the House and the Senate. Get both of those bills signed by the president. That should bring us to about the beginning of February and that's the window, I think you have that window of February and March. And once you go into April, you really have a diminishing opportunity because you do have the midterm elections getting closer and closer.
LUDDEN: Congressman Luis Gutierrez is a Democrat who represents Illinois's 4th District and chairs the Immigration Taskforce of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. He joined us from Chicago. Thanks very much.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject:
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Rep. GUTIERREZ: Well, it's a pressing issue. Twelve million undocumented workers in the United States living in a condition of exploitation, living in fear, living in the shadows of our society, everyday the government picks up undocumented workers and separates them from their children. We've made a promise. I think we should keep it.
Fine send the whole family back! What "Promise" who ? Your voters ? Oh the same Latino crime/family/mafia that got you elected ? Or wait! MAYBE ACORN ? We all know about them. LOL
This is a Mexican agenda, not an American one
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Rep. GUTIERREZ: Well, I don't think people are buying a kinder, gentler enforcement. When you wake up in the morning without your dad or without your mom and key members of your family and you see the kind of fear and trepidation that exists in the community, there's no way to be kinder and gentler about this. The fact is that many of the same enforcement procedures have been enhanced under the Barack Obama administration and the same kinds of numbers that we saw - the unprecedented numbers that we saw…
Oh my gosh, I guess we have a problem with illegal immigration being enforced! Maybe we need more agents, more crack downs to let illegals we mean business.
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Rep. GUTIERREZ: That's a great question. Is it possible? I think it's necessary. It appears that sometime in February, early March, there'll be a debate on the Senate floor. Is it going to be nasty and mean? Sure, there'll be a lot of people who will use this as a wedge issue once again and bring bigotry and hatred back to the debate. But, you know, what? We have done it before and I think the health care debate is going to help us prepare for this one actually.
"bring bigotry and hatred" back to the debate ??????
Ok, how bringing crime down ? Street gangs? Drugs ?? or How about the 100 illegals in front of Home depot looking for work, so they can break into your home later after they build your deck? How about enforcing American immigration standards? How about the rising costs of health insurance? Car insurance ? ETC ETC ETC...
ITS ILLEGALS DOING THIS! NOT AMERICANS
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Rep. GUTIERREZ: Yes, it does make it very hard. And so that's why I believe our window is very small. That is to say, you do health care, you get the energy bill passed in the House and the Senate. Get both of those bills signed by the president. That should bring us to about the beginning of February and that's the window, I think you have that window of February and March. And once you go into April, you really have a diminishing opportunity because you do have the midterm elections getting closer and closer.
You mean, while we still have an liberal Socialist Democrat congress. You better do it now, because once the Republicans get back in, its game over. People are seeing the BS and its not transparent, it filled with money, power, and regulation.
guteirez is always bemoaning how families are split by deportation. and the page will soon turn in the political theater. dems cant lie to cover lies much longer.his time is running out, and he only has one agenda- AMNESTY. i wonder when it will dawn on hussain that he is already a one term president? he may even get impeached, if some major calamity is perceived as his fault.i dont wish this. like my dad says, it all relavent.
It ain't gonna happen Luis Luis, get that through your thick skull. We were promised enforcement since 86 and we're still waiting. No way in this universe will we allow more illegal aliens to get a pass again! _________________ "If you love our nation, STOP illegal immigration!"
NPR...any big surprise?????? _________________ It's immoral to vote for any candidate who is not going to uphold the fundamental tenets of our Constitution.
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:15 am Post subject: NO TO AMNESTY
REP. GUTIERREZ YOU MUST STOP WORKING FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. WE DO NOT WANT AMNESTY. PERIOD. JUST DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS AND START WORKING FOR THE LEGAL CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY.
I strongly believe that Michael Chertoff and Janet Napolitano were appointed specifically to protect illegal aliens, as a hidden agenda. To focus on illegals that have committed crimes is one thing, but to prevent other law enforcement agencies from enforcing the law is going to far. As it seems, we must wait until a crime is committed (child rape, murder, robbery, etc.) before we can be protected from this plague of leaches.
When an immigrant applies for a visa, a complete background check made to assure that criminals are not brought into the country. ALL, let me say again, ALL illegal aliens are criminals. The simple fact that they are here without a visa makes them criminals. Many may say that entering the country illegally is such miner offence, but so are a lot of laws (jaywalking, parking violations, etc.) and these are enforced vigorously.
In previous months, many cases have been reported by the media of terrible crimes committed by illegals. Next, DHS and ICE will want to gag the media in regards to illegals.
To DHS and ICE, drop your illegal hidden agenda and enforce the law.
Joined: Nov 01, 2007 Posts: 3652 Location: New Alien City-(formerly New York City)
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject:
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Rep. GUTIERREZ: There would be - there would be two ways that you'll deal with future demand. You will deal with future demand on the basis of family reunification. That is, if you're in the United States, obviously there would be provisions in the bill to allow you to bring your wife, to bring your minor children. But we're talking about immediate family. So, you know, we're not talking about you bringing your cousin, not talking about bringing your aunt. With all respect to cousins and aunts, I love mine very, very much. We're talking about your wife, we're talking about your children, we're talking about your mom and your dad and your brothers, your immediate family.
Do the math, it's so much easier for the ONE to be reunited with that MANY! _________________ If a man sneaks into your home he is a burglar, not an undocumented tenant you must provide for!
Rep. GUTIERREZ: There would be - there would be two ways that you'll deal with future demand. You will deal with future demand on the basis of family reunification. That is, if you're in the United States, obviously there would be provisions in the bill to allow you to bring your wife, to bring your minor children. But we're talking about immediate family. So, you know, we're not talking about you bringing your cousin, not talking about bringing your aunt. With all respect to cousins and aunts, I love mine very, very much. We're talking about your wife, we're talking about your children, we're talking about your mom and your dad and your brothers, your immediate family.
Do the math, it's so much easier for the ONE to be reunited with that MANY!
So whats hes saying is that he wants to bring in a few hundred million, since they all have lots of children , brothers and sisters also have kids . Plus most of their parents marry so young they are still having kids too and even some grandparents still produce .
Why Luis, Why is the "window" to act so small on this issue? I thought that the vast majority of Americans were in favor of CIR amnesty. At least that's what I've been hearing from the illegal alien advocates over the past several years. So, if this is true, why would the window be small?? One would think that you could do this at any given time which you might choose if it enjoys such widespread and broad support.
To hurry it through a small window seems like trying to force something onto the American People that they oppose and will not accept. Surely that is not the case with amnesty, as so many Americans are just chomping at the bits to legalize all of the invaders and bring in hundreds of millions more.
After all, we all know how we must enjoy watching the faces of our own families and see the concern and uncertainty in the eyes of our family providers who have lost their jobs and are becoming desperate to feed, house and clothe their little children while another treasonous employer has sold his soul and his country providing illegals with the jobs just to be a traitor. I mean the fact that 20 million Americans can't find work in this country and 20 million or more illegal aliens are working is completely irrelevent. Mr. Gutierrez is certainly an advocate of the family as long as it is not an American family.
And then you have those insensitive bigotted Americans who have lost loved ones, murdered at the hands of illegal aliens or have been the victims of countless other crimes perpetrated by those who are just here to work and take care of their families. Hey, they were probably just at the wrong place at the wrong time. You really can't blame the illegal invasion for the loss. After all, Amerians commit crimes too don't they? It might have happened to their loved one anyway at some point....who knows?
And I myself look forward to waiting for long hours unneccessarily in the ER if I'm hurt badly or deathly sick behind a bunch of illegals who are using the emergency room as their primary care physician for a runny nose because they can. In fact, I can't wait to pay their bill!!
Come to think of it, it's kind of enjoyable to we Americans (and i think if am speaking for most of us here) to watch foreign invaders march in the streets of our cities by the hundreds of thousands waving foreign flags and declaring that they are here to take our country. Then to see that elected politicians who swore an oath of allegiance to this country and it's constitution sit passively by or even join with the cause of the invaders treasonously (treasonously, is that a word?....it is now) while this all takes place just gives us a warm, fuzzy, calm and easy glow.
So, I ask, why would the window be small? He is saying that he is panicking because it ain't looking good for amnesty. Barry Soetoro aka. Hussein Obama and every single politician in this country from local to federal is quite well aware where the American People stand on this issue.
Otherwise, why would the window be small?
Disclaimer: I used a little bit of sarcasm in this post.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:54 am Post subject:
Bostwitz wrote:
Why Luis, Why is the "window" to act so small on this issue? I thought that the vast majority of Americans were in favor of CIR amnesty. At least that's what I've been hearing from the illegal alien advocates over the past several years. So, if this is true, why would the window be small?? One would think that you could do this at any given time which you might choose if it enjoys such widespread and broad support.
To hurry it through a small window seems like trying to force something onto the American People that they oppose and will not accept. Surely that is not the case with amnesty, as so many Americans are just chomping at the bits to legalize all of the invaders and bring in hundreds of millions more.
After all, we all know how we must enjoy watching the faces of our own families and see the concern and uncertainty in the eyes of our family providers who have lost their jobs and are becoming desperate to feed, house and clothe their little children while another treasonous employer has sold his soul and his country providing illegals with the jobs just to be a traitor. I mean the fact that 20 million Americans can't find work in this country and 20 million or more illegal aliens are working is completely irrelevent. Mr. Gutierrez is certainly an advocate of the family as long as it is not an American family.
And then you have those insensitive bigotted Americans who have lost loved ones, murdered at the hands of illegal aliens or have been the victims of countless other crimes perpetrated by those who are just here to work and take care of their families. Hey, they were probably just at the wrong place at the wrong time. You really can't blame the illegal invasion for the loss. After all, Amerians commit crimes too don't they? It might have happened to their loved one anyway at some point....who knows?
And I myself look forward to waiting for long hours unneccessarily in the ER if I'm hurt badly or deathly sick behind a bunch of illegals who are using the emergency room as their primary care physician for a runny nose because they can. In fact, I can't wait to pay their bill!!
Come to think of it, it's kind of enjoyable to we Americans (and i think if am speaking for most of us here) to watch foreign invaders march in the streets of our cities by the hundreds of thousands waving foreign flags and declaring that they are here to take our country. Then to see that elected politicians who swore an oath of allegiance to this country and it's constitution sit passively by or even join with the cause of the invaders treasonously (treasonously, is that a word?....it is now) while this all takes place just gives us a warm, fuzzy, calm and easy glow.
So, I ask, why would the window be small? He is saying that he is panicking because it ain't looking good for amnesty. Barry Soetoro aka. Hussein Obama and every single politician in this country from local to federal is quite well aware where the American People stand on this issue.
Otherwise, why would the window be small?
Disclaimer: I used a little bit of sarcasm in this post.
Bostwitz: your sarcasm was noted:
Good post. _________________ ................................
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:06 am Post subject:
All the illegals will be dancing in the streets, flying the Mexican flag and saying "WE WON" (Viva something) if this ever passes. Its a slap in the face of all the legal immigrants, who fought so hard to come here and do the right thing and to be immigrants with integrity.
Wanna confuse a liberal. Ask them what integrity is, I bet they have a hard time answering it.
Life is about winning or loosing or as they are taught in American schools now its OK, to be a looser.
Next week, I will be making a large contribution to ALIPAC.
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