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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: Democrats feeling angst over 2010
Keep the pressure on, Schumer still wants to push amnesty.
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The Hill
Democrats feeling angst over 2010
By Alexander Bolton - 11/04/09 06:00 AM ET
Vulnerable House and Senate Democrats want their leaders to skip the party’s controversial legislative agenda for next year to help save their seats in Congress.
In the run-up to the 2010 midterm elections, they don’t want to be forced to vote on climate change, immigration reform and gays in the military, which they say should be set aside so Congress can focus on jobs and the economy.
“It’s hard; the most important issue in front of us is the economy right now, and that’s where most of us really want to stay focused, the economy and jobs, that’s what our constituency is concerned about,” said Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D), who is facing a tough race next year in Arkansas.
Rep. Bob Etheridge (D), a centrist contemplating a run for Senate in North Carolina, helped Democratic leaders in the summer by voting for climate change legislation on the House floor.
He now wants Democratic leaders to narrow their focus on jobs and the economy.
“Three things ought to be the top priority: jobs, jobs and jobs,” he said.
Lincoln said that lawmakers should focus on passing healthcare reform and wait until next year to effect financial regulatory reform and reduce unemployment.
“That’s an awful lot to bite off and chew for right now,” said Lincoln, who described herself as “not in a hurry” to tackle climate change, an issue she has some jurisdiction over as chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee.
Sen. Evan Bayh (D), who is running for reelection in conservative-leaning Indiana, said “jobs should be our top priority and we shouldn’t do anything that detracts from that,” echoing a sentiment of many colleagues in similar positions.
Bayh said he recognizes that Congress should be able to “walk and chew gum at the same time and hopefully do more than one thing,” but that controversial issues will become especially difficult next year.
Climate change legislation would be “difficult to accomplish under the best of times and doubly so when the economy is not at all good,” Bayh said.
But he did not fault his leaders for setting such an ambitious agenda, saying that “if at the end of the day [losing reelection] is your only concern, you should probably find another line of work.”
Climate change is only one of several lightning-rod issues Democratic leaders may ask their vulnerable colleagues to vote on next year.
They must also tackle the tricky issue of extending or repealing the tax cuts passed under former President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. If they extend popular tax cuts, such as the marriage tax cut, the child tax credit and reductions to the estate tax, lawmakers must decide whether to pay for it with spending cuts (or other tax increases).
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), vice chairman of the Senate Democratic Conference, still wants to take up immigration reform next year. He told reporters Tuesday that it is still on the agenda for the 111th Congress. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has called immigration reform his No. 3 priority after healthcare reform and global climate change legislation.)
Reid, meanwhile, has pushed for the repeal of the military’s “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, which prohibits gays from serving openly in the military.
Gay-rights activists have put strong pressure on Obama and Democratic leaders to repeal the ban sooner rather than later.
Reid sent a letter to Obama last month asking him to provide recommendations on gays serving in the military, noting that Congress is considering “future legislative action.”
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said he was not certain whether repealing “Don’t ask, don’t tell” would be on next year’s agenda.
It looks increasingly likely that healthcare reform will spill into next year, and Democrats have made it a high priority to overhaul the nation’s financial regulatory laws before next November.
One Democratic senator facing reelection in a Republican-leaning state said he does not want to see the issue of gays in the military, immigration reform or even climate change on next year’s agenda.
The lawmaker predicted, however, that it would be very difficult to avoid a long debate over climate change legislation because a faction of liberal senators led by Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) and John Kerry (D-Mass.) would insist on taking it up on the floor next year. Interest groups that often have the ears of party leaders will also be pushing those issues.
Some Democrats are worried the ambitious agenda could make winning reelection that much harder.
“If it was up to me, I would figure out how to handle the war and fix the economy,” said Rep. John Tanner (Tenn.), a senior centrist Democrat who has found himself in the crosshairs of the National Republican Congressional Committee, which has recruited a promising GOP challenger.
Tanner worries his party may be trying to bite off too much in the 111th Congress.
“For all of these big issues, the trick is — to use a football analogy — to go for a first down instead of an 80-yard Hail Mary,” he said. “Some of the more philosophically driven people want to do an 80-yard Hail Mary, but getting first downs is how you legislate over time.”
A group of vulnerable Democratic lawmakers see healthcare reform, climate change and immigration reform as desperation passes down the length of the political playing field. They acknowledge that healthcare reform may very well pass, but they say that climate change and immigration reform have dim prospects.
Rep. Bobby Bright, an Alabama centrist viewed as one of the most endangered Democrats in the House, said that many Americans feel alarmed by the drastic legislative changes moving through Congress. He said leaders should consider breaking up sprawling controversial bills into smaller pieces that voters would not find so daunting in size and scope.
“Maybe this healthcare bill is going drastically too far,” he said. “If we could take it in smaller steps, we could build confidence.
“We can’t come in and change the world overnight,” he said. “We’re moving forward at a pace that average people are concerned about, and my constituents very much so.”
Keep the pressure on, Schumer still wants to push amnesty.
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John Cornyn of Texas still wants it, too. I called his office to complain about Mexican citizens calling our Congressional offices, en masse, and they told me to take it up with my own Senators.
What are these guys going to do? Open a permanent office for Mexico's Foreign Secretary next to theirs? We need to keep compaining about the SEIU, their central roles in the Obama administration and their point man with BOTH Mexico and Venezuela, Eliseo Medina.
Did anyone see the climate change committee hearings on c-span yesterday?
The Repulicans boycotted it, only Democrats were there and Boxer was pissed along with the rest of the Dems! One Republican came in made a 15 min. speech on how the meetings were run and then got up and left
It was great! and about time!
They don't listen to the Republicans, don't allow them amendments or vote them all down, so why bother going! This really made Boxer look bad
Way to go Republicans!!! Let the Dems own the piece of crap they are pushing on us. _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
Rep. Bob Etheridge (D), a centrist contemplating a run for Senate in North Carolina, helped Democratic leaders in the summer by voting for climate change legislation on the House floor.
He now wants Democratic leaders to narrow their focus on jobs and the economy.
“Three things ought to be the top priority: jobs, jobs and jobs,” he said.
This is the type of LEECHS we are sending to D.C. ... _________________ Yea though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death
81000 Americans killed by illegal aliens since 9-11
Keep the hooks in 'em, ALIPAC and America. And yes Democrats, it's jobs, jobs, jobs and more jobs. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:03 am Post subject:
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), vice chairman of the Senate Democratic Conference, still wants to take up immigration reform next year. He told reporters Tuesday that it is still on the agenda for the 111th Congress. (Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has called immigration reform his No. 3 priority after healthcare reform and global climate change legislation.)
The only "reform" I want to see is one that provides that prospective immigrants:
1) Apply just like all other legal immigrants did.
2) Prove that they can read, write and comprehend the English Language and understand the laws of the United States.
3) Undergo extensive criminal background checks, locally and internationally. ANY crime = immigration request denied. We have enough crime here.
4) Undergo extensive "vetting" so that the American Citizens are not subjected to any communicable diseases.
5) Prove that they have either a job waiting for them when they get here or a sponsor who will agree to provide financially for all needs (housing, food, medical, etc.) so that they are not a financial burden on the Federal government or the State that they emmigrate to.
6) An end to the practice of automatic citizenship by birthright to children born of illegal aliens. (Anchor-babies.)
Joined: Jan 27, 2009 Posts: 1253 Location: A Midwest State in North Amerimexico
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:34 am Post subject:
Welcome to ALIPAC Yonderis.
Birthright Citizenship is the FIRST thing that needs to change. This is one of our biggest problems, one of the main incentives for illegal immigration. This results in U.S. citizenship being almost meaningless. A pregnant woman illegally sneaks into our country, goes to any hospital ER to give birth, at tax-payer expense, and voila', a new U.S. citizen! Sickening.
Yonderis wrote:
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6) An end to the practice of automatic citizenship by birthright to children born of illegal aliens. (Anchor-babies.)
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:17 am Post subject:
builditnow wrote:
Welcome to ALIPAC Yonderis.
Birthright Citizenship is the FIRST thing that needs to change. This is one of our biggest problems, one of the main incentives for illegal immigration. This results in U.S. citizenship being almost meaningless. A pregnant woman illegally sneaks into our country, goes to any hospital ER to give birth, at tax-payer expense, and voila', a new U.S. citizen! Sickening.
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6) An end to the practice of automatic citizenship by birthright to children born of illegal aliens. (Anchor-babies.)
Thank you, builditnow. It's good to be here.
Yes. I agree completely. I wasn't posting in any particular order, but changing that should definitely be the first step towards "reform".
U.S. citizenship is all but meaningless as it is now. There is no benefit to being a citizen anymore. In fact, it's becoming a detriment.
Anymore illegal aliens receive the same benefits (constitutional - for the most part, benefits, jobs taken from citizens, vote, counsel at trials for their crimes, etc.) without paying the taxes that a citizen must pay to live here and be afforded those benefits as needed.
Where's the benefit of being a citizen?
It's disgraceful. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Welcome to alipac Yonderis, sounds like you have been all over this problem for some time, glad you have joined us in the fight!!
I agree with everyone but would like to add one of the most important things is law enforcement, we must stop Janet Napolitano from picking and choosing what laws she want to enforce.
ALL immigration laws must be enforced, and it is not up to her to change the laws to suit herself, the "immigration Nationality Act" through (287g) program gives state and local goverment the authority to enforce the laws and she seems to think as a law enforcement officier she can change laws only congress has the authority to do, we have too many people over stepping their bounds of authority.
I also question an illegal aliens constitutional rights, as the Bill of Rights refers to the rights of citizens , I don't believe they have any rights under OUR constitution. _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
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Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:34 am Post subject:
Thank you, SoSad. Point me in the direction of a self-help group. Good Lord, I started reading here at 9:30 or so last night. It's now 9:30 a.m. here.
My parents emigrated back in '59 or '60 and I know what they went through just to get here. Add to that, had they committed any crime during the 5 years prior to them obtaining citizenship, they would have been deported.
I lost a business years ago as a result of illegal aliens.
Citizens are afforded the benefits of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Those here illegally should not be and to the best of my knowledge aren't.
Yet the bleeding hearts (ACLU, etc.) seem to prevail to the bleeding heart politicians (Democrats, for the most part) and here we are.
Oh, I sooooo agree on Janet Napolitano. That is one person who needs to be removed from office before she does more damage than she's already done. Traitorous "b" with an "itch". There is no way any citizen or legal alien can say she upholds the laws of this country. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Thank you, SoSad. Point me in the direction of a self-help group. Good Lord, I started reading here at 9:30 or so last night. It's now 9:30 a.m. here.
If you find that self help group let me know, I need it also Look at it this way we are getting in alot of practice for the ungodly amount of hours and stress we put in when the traitors in DC indroduce yet another shamnesty bill...They just don't comprehend the word NO.
Nice looking son you have there, please thank him for serving our country and protecting Americans, let him know we are doing our damndest at home to try to preserve what he is fighting for over there, so when he comes home we will still have something left to protect. _________________ AUT*AGERE*AUT*MORI (EITHER ACTION OR DEATH)
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject:
I will, SoSad. I'm afraid that we are the "self-help" group. In this case it's a matter of eliminating the problem, thereby eliminating the need for a "self-help" group.
Thank you for the compliment re: my son, Ryan. I'll pass your kind words on. I know he'll appreciate knowing he's supported and yes, we are doing what we can at home. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
The democrats should feel the angst. They might as well pack it up if they supported the Health Care bill, TARP, the Bailout, the Climate bill, ACORN or Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Americans tried let them know how we felt about certain policies and they refused to listen.
I lost a business years ago as a result of illegal aliens.
Welcome and so glad to have you Yonderis. We have several members here who have lost businesses due to IA's. You and LoneProtester could have a nice long chat. He has been thru the ringer with it and his ongoing story has been posted here several times.
At the risk of being nosy, what type of business did you have? _________________ It's immoral to vote for any candidate who is not going to uphold the fundamental tenets of our Constitution.
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject:
Hi SicNTiredInSoCal and Thank you. It's good to be here. I'm in good company.
No imposition at all. I had a construction business. (Drywall.) I feel for LoneProtester. That's what I felt like at the time. Broke my heart the day I told my guys to find other employment.
GC's were hiring the IA's to do the jobs to get them to completion. THEN, those same jerks (who used to give us the jobs) would call us in for "pick-up" work - as in, to fix the IA substandard work that was holding up the job/inspections.
It was a huge fight (I'll not repeat the language) between me and the GC's when I refused to continue doing pick-up work only. Bottom line - I told them they could get their (expletive) IA's back to fix their (expletive).
Pick-up work doesn't feed a family where it's one to a household and they pay 100% of their own bills.
IA's were undercutting us by 25% and more. Easy to do when it's four to a household and they are only paying 25% of the bills and no taxes.
I had enough banked personally and through the business to carry my guys for two months and they had that much time to find new employers. Three had to go out of state back then.
Broke my heart. These were friends. People we bbq'd with, attended birthday parties with, etc.. People who entered my home with no fear of GSD's and let their children play with them. We were together through births, deaths, etc. And, as a result of the damned IA's, I had to let them go and close the doors.
Sorry. Didn't mean to run on like that.
It's been almost 15 years and that was back in California.
Some things you just never get over. And you learn earlier than most the damage that IA's can do to the American family and worker. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Hi SicNTiredInSoCal and Thank you. It's good to be here. I'm in good company.
No imposition at all. I had a construction business. (Drywall.) I feel for LoneProtester. That's what I felt like at the time. Broke my heart the day I told my guys to find other employment.
GC's were hiring the IA's to do the jobs to get them to completion. THEN, those same jerks (who used to give us the jobs) would call us in for "pick-up" work - as in, to fix the IA substandard work that was holding up the job/inspections.
It was a huge fight (I'll not repeat the language) between me and the GC's when I refused to continue doing pick-up work only. Bottom line - I told them they could get their (expletive) IA's back to fix their (expletive).
Pick-up work doesn't feed a family where it's one to a household and they pay 100% of their own bills.
IA's were undercutting us by 25% and more. Easy to do when it's four to a household and they are only paying 25% of the bills and no taxes.
I had enough banked personally and through the business to carry my guys for two months and they had that much time to find new employers. Three had to go out of state back then.
Broke my heart. These were friends. People we bbq'd with, attended birthday parties with, etc.. People who entered my home with no fear of GSD's and let their children play with them. We were together through births, deaths, etc. And, as a result of the damned IA's, I had to let them go and close the doors.
Sorry. Didn't mean to run on like that.
It's been almost 15 years and that was back in California.
Some things you just never get over. And you learn earlier than most the damage that IA's can do to the American family and worker.
Im so sorry. Your story sounds similar to LoneProtestors, only he went to jail for calling a contractor a cheap bastard or something to that effect.
We have a friend who does tile. We know him, but not who was going to be his helpers. I asked him if they were illegals and right away he said no, Im the only mexican on the job! LOL! Then I asked him how his biz was affected by IA's and he said they have taken work from him and made work for him. He has been to many jobs that he had to "clean up" after IA's and he charged those customers to the hilt for it too! Hopefully they learned thier lesson. You get what you pay for.
Anyway, we are glad your here. Please tell your son we are rooting for him and to come home soon and safe. He's a handsome young man, reminds me of my brother. The dog is beautiful too!
By the way, does your son have a "feel" for what the military thinks of Obama right about now? _________________ It's immoral to vote for any candidate who is not going to uphold the fundamental tenets of our Constitution.
Joined: May 22, 2006 Posts: 28640 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject:
I, too, have a close relative that is in the construction business, has been for a long time and today is barely making it, may file for bankruptcy. The IA's infiltrated this area decades ago in my state. What once gave many citizens a decent living has basically disappeared. Infuriating and sad. _________________ Why aren't our immigration laws enforced?
Hi SicNTiredInSoCal and Thank you. It's good to be here. I'm in good company.
No imposition at all. I had a construction business. (Drywall.) I feel for LoneProtester. That's what I felt like at the time. Broke my heart the day I told my guys to find other employment.
GC's were hiring the IA's to do the jobs to get them to completion. THEN, those same jerks (who used to give us the jobs) would call us in for "pick-up" work - as in, to fix the IA substandard work that was holding up the job/inspections.
It was a huge fight (I'll not repeat the language) between me and the GC's when I refused to continue doing pick-up work only. Bottom line - I told them they could get their (expletive) IA's back to fix their (expletive).
Pick-up work doesn't feed a family where it's one to a household and they pay 100% of their own bills.
IA's were undercutting us by 25% and more. Easy to do when it's four to a household and they are only paying 25% of the bills and no taxes.
I had enough banked personally and through the business to carry my guys for two months and they had that much time to find new employers. Three had to go out of state back then.
Broke my heart. These were friends. People we bbq'd with, attended birthday parties with, etc.. People who entered my home with no fear of GSD's and let their children play with them. We were together through births, deaths, etc. And, as a result of the damned IA's, I had to let them go and close the doors.
Sorry. Didn't mean to run on like that.
It's been almost 15 years and that was back in California.
Some things you just never get over. And you learn earlier than most the damage that IA's can do to the American family and worker.
I'm so sorry to hear that. It's just not right. The construction industry is where I first noticed the invasion. Sites that the month before were all white and black crews because that was the demographics of our community were suddenly all hispanic crews who didn't speak English. They came to our project wanting to hire on. We asked where are you from and why don't you speak English. They had interpretors who said Mexico, work cheap, under the table. Aghast, I asked them to leave and not come back. _________________ "A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan "SAVE AMERICA, DEPORT CONGRESS." Judy
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject:
Holy Cats! The contractor must have been lying then. Nobody goes to jail for that.
I understand what your friend said about taking work away and making more work for him. They took the work away from us by under-bidding us to the GC but then the GC would call us to fix the "screwups". We did charge majorly for it. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to keep supporting six men who supported their families. These were all tract homes. Oh, yeah. You get what you pay for. They did find that out.
Thank you re: Ry. I like to say he favors his mother but don't tell him that right now. He doesn't know I'm back on the darn steroids again for the lungs. Can you say..."moonface"?!!!! I won't tell you what my son calls it.
The dog (Giza) is my service dog. She was a baby in the picture with Ry and he was teaching her bad habits.
Can't speak for how the entire military feels about Nobama. I can tell you that he told me they are facing a possible second tour without a break home. When I commented that Nobama was talking about not sending any more troops over he changed the subject and told me that he'd probably have enough saved for a down-payment on a house when he got home.
Translation/code: Shut up, Mom. Can't talk about it. Interpreting translation/code as a Mom? Nobama will keep them there to avoid sending more troops - public relations for him. He can still claim he's not sending any more troops and is working at bringing them home.
As I told him - rule #1 - never commit anything to writing (e-mail) that you wouldn't want anyone else to see.
Apparently, he's adhering to that. Good boy.
If he finds a way to let me know any different I'll let you know. For right now, I'm in the dark about how they all feel. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Joined: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 147 Location: Murfreesboro, TN
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject:
jean -Wish your friend the best of luck from me. I was in the California desert when I lost mine about 15 years ago now. My heart aches for him/her. I was facing the same thing had I not told the guys to find other employment and closed the doors. Wiped out my personal account and my business account supporting them for just that two months.
Judy wrote:
I'm so sorry to hear that. It's just not right. The construction industry is where I first noticed the invasion. Sites that the month before were all white and black crews because that was the demographics of our community were suddenly all hispanic crews who didn't speak English. They came to our project wanting to hire on. We asked where are you from and why don't you speak English. They had interpretors who said Mexico, work cheap, under the table. Aghast, I asked them to leave and not come back.
Oh, I KNOW! So many used to literally acost Victor, my lead man, because he was of Hispanic decent. Born here of the daughter of immigrants. They fully expected him to get them "paperwork" so that they could work for me or anyone else without question. I won't repeat what he told them. They learned real quick that he "wasn't one of them" as they tried to imply.
Yes. Before the influx of IA's we had great white workers and some fabulous, FABULOUS Black masons. OMGosh, the gorgeous work they would do. The homes we worked on were in the $300-500K range back then. Next thing we knew the masons were replaced with IA's and so were we.
And yet, to listen to them, the only jobs they're "taking" are those that American's won't work?
Bull. I, and apparently you, have seen that lie play out first-hand. _________________ An American of Irish descent - NOT an "Irish-American".
He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Ran into an acquaitance a few years ago who had opened a roofing business in FL during the boom times. Talking, I happened to ask who he was hiring these days, and he said Mexicans--if an American crew will do a job for $400, while a hard-working Mexican crew will do it for $100, it meant more profit for him bidding as the contractor. I nearly punched him.
As far as any help groups for ALIPAC addition syndrome, I have faced that there are none. _________________ Immigration is not a right that belongs to anybody and everybody who wants to come here. It is a privilege we Americans alone decide to convey. - Patrick J. Buchanan
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He is my son. He currently serves for us in Iraq.
Look at it this way we are getting in alot of practice for the ungodly amount of hours and stress we put in when the traitors in DC indroduce yet another shamnesty bill...They just don't comprehend the word NO. 
