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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject: Dobbs Reaches Out to Latinos, With Politics in Mind
ALIPAC NOTE: Weds morning we will be sending an emergency communique to Lou Dobbs demanding an immediate clarification from Lou Dobbs on the authenticity of this report. We do not trust Telemundo and we do not trust the Wall Street Journal which stands solidly behind amnesty and open borders. We hope that Mr. Dobbs has not changed his stance to favor a path to citizenship for illegals, but we will seek clarification and inform everyone of the results as soon as possible.
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Dobbs reverses position on illegals?
Dobbs Reaches Out to Latinos, With Politics in Mind
By PETER WALLSTEN
Wall Street Journal
Former CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, pondering a future in politics, is trying to wipe away his image as an enemy of Latino immigrants by positioning himself as a champion of that fast-growing ethnic bloc.
Mr. Dobbs, who left the network last week, has said in recent days that he is considering a third-party run for a New Jersey Senate seat in 2012, or possibly for president. Polls show voters unhappy with both parties, and strategists believe Mr. Dobbs could tap populist anger over economy issues just as Ross Perot did in the 1990s.
First, though, Mr. Dobbs is working to repair what a spokesman conceded is a glaring flaw: His reputation for antipathy toward Latino immigrants. In a little-noticed interview Friday, Mr. Dobbs told Spanish-language network Telemundo he now supports a plan to legalize millions of undocumented workers, a stance he long lambasted as an unfair "amnesty."
"Whatever you have thought of me in the past, I can tell you right now that I am one of your greatest friends and I mean for us to work together," he said in a live interview with Telemundo's Maria Celeste. "I hope that will begin with Maria and me and Telemundo and other media organizations and others in this national debate that we should turn into a solution rather than a continuing debate and factional contest."
Mr. Dobbs twice mentioned a possible legalization plan for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., saying at one point that "we need the ability to legalize illegal immigrants under certain conditions."
Mr. Dobbs couldn't be reached Tuesday. Spokesman Bob Dilenschneider said Mr. Dobbs draws a distinction between illegal immigrants who have committed crimes since arriving in the U.S. and those who are "living upright, positive and constructive lives" who should be "integrated" into society. He said Mr. Dobbs recognizes the political importance of Latinos and is "smoothing the water and clearing the air."
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* WashWire: Dobbs's Outreach to Latinos: What's Going On?
After a career as a broadcaster and Internet entrepreneur, Mr. Dobbs turned himself into a populist firebrand, campaigning against labor outsourcing, free trade and immigration.
Mr. Dobbs left CNN saying he wanted to become an advocate. Immigration advocates, including Ms. Celeste, had long called for his ouster; critics in particular cite a 2007 report on his show that cited erroneous data suggesting illegal immigrants were tied to a spike in leprosy cases in the U.S. Mr. Dobbs told Ms. Celeste the report was a mistake, and blamed a reporter ad-libbing on the air.
Frank Sharry, who heads America's Voice, a group that advocates for legalizing undocumented immigrants, said Mr. Dobbs's conversion isn't credible, given his history of opposing efforts to liberalize immigration policies.
Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project, which seeks strict border enforcement and opposes legalization, said he admired Mr. Dobbs and will "watch him for several months before drawing a conclusion."
Political strategists, however, aren't dismissing the potential power of a Dobbs run. Ed Rollins, a Republican consultant who advised Mr. Perot, said Mr. Dobbs has two big factors in his favor: name recognition and a turbulent economic time that can help a populist, third-party figure.
During his Telemundo appearance, Mr. Dobbs was both defensive and conciliatory as Ms. Celeste ticked off what she said were the Latino community's grievances about Mr. Dobbs. "Many Hispanics consider you to be the No. 1 enemy of Latinos," she told him. "Do you think that the community is somehow misjudging you?"
"Oh, not somehow. Definitively, absolutely," Mr. Dobbs responded. "By the way, I don't believe for a moment that the Latino, Hispanic community in the United States believes that of me at all. It has been the efforts of the far left to characterize me in their propaganda as such."
Mr. Dobbs's relationship with Latinos will be crucial if he chooses to run against Sen. Robert Menendez (D., N.J.), the Senate's lone Hispanic. In response to the possibility, Menendez spokesman Afshin Mohamadi said: "I'm sure that he would relish eventually having an opponent from so far out of the mainstream who has never delivered a thing to the hard-working people of New Jersey."
—T. W. Farnam and Nomaan Merchant contributed to this article.
One of the first things that makes me suspicious about this is that if Lou Dobbs actually said these things like the WSJ is claiming then there should already be shock waves rippling through the Spanish media.
If this is true, our opposition should be jumping in our faces already screaming victory chants at us.
Perhaps they don't know about this yet, but I find it surprising that a Telemundo interview of this potential would come to us first instead of the opposition groups.
That makes me very suspicious.
I found this video clip which is from three days ago.
This article makes no mention of Lou Dobbs claiming to support a path to citizenship.
Lou Dobbs: That Was Then, This Is Now
* November 24, 2009, 8:00 PM ET
By Nomaan Merchant
Wall Street Journal Blogs
Lou Dobbs, the former CNN anchor who is considering a new career in politics, has quickly been distancing himself from earlier on-camera fuming about illegal immigrants.
Just this past Friday, he sat down for an interview with Telemundo’s Maria Celeste: “Whatever you have thought of me in the past I can tell you right now that I am one of your greatest friends and I mean for us to work together.” For more on that, read this WSJ story.
Celeste was open to the idea, but warned: “Trust me, in the Hispanic world, you are viewed by many, by many people, as a No. 1 enemy, maybe because of the many inflammatory and misleading statements about undocumented immigrants that you’ve made throughout the years.”
She brought up some of Dobb’s previous statements that drew fire from Hispanics.
Leprosy: “The most outrageous one was blaming immigrants for a dramatic rise of leprosy cases in the U.S.,” Celeste said.
That was a reference to a 2005 CNN segment on illegal immigrants and communicable diseases in which a CNN correspondent said that there “were about 900 cases of leprosy [in the U.S.] for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years.” To which Dobbs replies: “Incredible.”
Two years later, when CBS’s 60 Minutes was doing a story on Dobbs, the matter came up again and Dobbs defended it – until the New York Times pointed out there were 7,000 cases over the past 30 years, and government health authorities didn’t view leprosy as a public health problem.
In the Telemundo interview, Dobbs says, “Obviously, [the correspondent] was wrong. My only statement by the way, in coming out of that report, was one word: ‘Incredible.’”
Prisoners: On a number of occasions, Dobbs has said illegal immigrants account for a third of the U.S. prison population. On Friday, he clarified it, explaining that 27% of the inmates in federal prison are immigrants, both legal and illegal. “This seems to be now to be on its face quibbling,” Dobbs said.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Celeste brought up Dobbs’ comments about Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., who has come under fire for his aggressive tactics in arresting illegal immigrants and his treatment of inmates.
Dobbs played down his support for Arpaio. “I did not say he was a role model for society at no time, no place, anywhere any how…so that is utterly wrong.”
But in an April 2007 segment on Arpaio and immigration, Dobbs said, “Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a model for the whole country in my opinion. And it’s funny to watch the open borders amnesty activists just bristle that he would enforce laws and for them to suggest that he not.” At one point, Dobbs said, “people are starting to know, to understand…that we were first a nation of laws before we were a nation of immigrants.”
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 5786 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Dobbs Reaches Out to Latinos, With Politics in Mind
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Mr. Dobbs twice mentioned a possible legalization plan for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., saying at one point that "we need the ability to legalize illegal immigrants under certain conditions."
I don't think this is a change in his position, I think he said the same thing in the past about about legalization under certain limited conditions on a case by case basis, rather than a general amnesty like the LaRazi's support.
Chris Simcox says basically the same thing, they must have the same political advisor! You know how politicians like to talk out of both sides of their mouth.
I guess the big question is whether he thinks illegals with US born "anchor babies" should be allowed to stay since that in itself would end up creating a general amnesty.
Here is a video of Dobbs and Celeste where Dobbs mentions that there should be a "middle" ground reached on immigration. The video has Spanish translated but you can lightly hear the English conversation.
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 5786 Location: Mexifornia
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:34 am Post subject:
LawEnforcer wrote:
Here is a video of Dobbs and Celeste where Dobbs mentions that there should be a "middle" ground reached on immigration. The video has Spanish translated but you can lightly hear the English conversation.
That won't ever fly, like Mark Krikorian noted, there is no middle ground with groups with LaRaza, if you do not agree to unrestricted Latino immigration and benefits for them they believe you are a hateful, violent racist.
After all they are "The Race" and this is their Continent, that is how they think, what they believe.
This woman is trying to run a one woman Kangaroo Court. Real legitimate immigrants are offended by the efforts to equate undocumented aliens as immigrants.
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:02 am Post subject:
Richard: What did you say? I went to translate this...lol...and I got the following:
Lou Dobbs is as always a gentleman and people and women wondering what a donut is like red but not like in a court and in the bathroom sometimes monthly.
Joined: May 23, 2007 Posts: 4199 Location: california
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:04 am Post subject:
Richard wrote:
There are already conditions under which illegal aliens could qualify for legalization however most illegal aliens do not qualify for them.
But when he says under certain conditions, he does not clarify what conditions. So since he is being rather vague....and at the same time changing his tone, it seems like bad news.
This is part of what Lou Dobbs said about this issue on page 162 in his 2007 book Independents Day (my entry about the 1965 Immigration Act in brackets). Someone should ask Mr. Dobbs if we should believe the "false assurances" from Janet Napolitano about border enforcement in light of what she and the administration have done to weaken immigration enforcement:
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"Twenty-one years later [after the 1965 Immigration Act], President Ronald Reagan signed into law amnesty for more than three million illegal aliens who had entered the country. President Reagan then promised that new employers sanctions would 'remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities,' and that the law's amnesty provision would allow millions who were hiding in the shadows to 'step into the sunlight.'
And now, after another twenty-one years, we hear the same language, as the proamnesty and open borders advocates demand that American citizens ignore history, reason, and the national interest. They are again marketing the same false assurances about border enforcement and insist there will be no social or economic cost to the taxpayer or the nation. A record of more than four decades of disruptive and destructive immigration policy initiatives should be a sufficient history lesson for all Americans."
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: Lou Dobbs
There is NO way I would vote for this man for public office. He spent the entire interview in an argumentative state. He has no substance, nor does he have any qualitites that should be promoted. Americans do NOT want amnesty for 12-20 Million illegal aliens. We do not want another politician that thinks we should promote illegal aliens to citizen status, just because.
He did NOT clarify the newswoman's questions. He sputtered, and NEVER actually got to anything substative. NO TO PUBLIC OFFICE OF ANY KIND FOR LOU DOBBS.
I think they got to his wife and that is why he did the interview.
I was very disappointed in him.
He looked like he was uncomfortable in the beginning of the interview.
But why do this interview on telemundo?
Maybe the shots at his home were closer then we thought.
Maybe he received a bloody horse head in his bed from the drug cartels. He looked like he was fighting himself. He kind of looked like he was saying things someone made him say.
Are you sure his wife is Mexican American and not just Mexican. What if the drug cartels have someone in her family.
I don't watch his often, but this did not sound like the man I have watched before
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: Telemundo interview of Dobbs
It should be obvious that Mr. Dobbs is seriously considering a run for either the Senate or the Presidency. In either case he must obscure his actual stance on any subject to try and please all sides. That is what politicians do if they want to get elected or stay in office. I am disappointed that he takes this track. It would be better, in my opinion, to run on his beliefs and be defeated (if in fact he would be) than lie and win. We have way too many of those people in office now, and that is the greatest problem in this country today.
I had pledged $$ support for Mr. Dobbs in a run for office, I will withdraw that support if he continues to act like "just one more politician".
By the way, not ALL elected officials do this, I know because I am one. I chose not to run for a second term because I believe elected office is a temporary service to ones country and community not a way of life.
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: Lou, Forget About that $100 Pledge!
So, Dobbs becomes a politician, and immediately morphs from a straight shooter into a lying, duplicitous pile of dung! Is there no one who can be trusted any more? Lou, issue a clarification immediately…if you confirm that you’re now pro-amnesty to pander to NJ’s “Latino community” then your fans deserve to know that unequivocably. Illegal aliens can’t vote in the Garden State, can they? So, why would you give a rat’s posterior WHAT those lawbreakers think about you?BTW, your Hispanic wife IS legal, isn’t she?
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:12 pm Post subject: Lou Dobbs
When I first heard that he was going to possibly run in 2012 I thought..... why would anyone want to vote for a man who for years was working for a company who was in the habit of NOT reporting the news! People are going to jump so quickly to indorse someone like this? WHY? We the people have awakened and we are going to have our pick of who we want to represent us in 2012. I would not vote for this man just based on the
fact that he's from the "lamestream media" To me that's reason enough
in itself!
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: Lou Dobbs
I am not surprised at all that Lou took this stance. I have sent Lou FACTS about subjects he has obfuscated truth on, and he refused to look at the facts and correct his retorhic. That was the day I realized that some people don't like hard truths. A hard truth is something that you don't want to believe because you are emotionally tied to it. Someone who is honest, is so for both easy and hard truths!
Lou Dobbs is just another panderer politician who got started once he thought he had the path to public office made with support, now his only support (Anti-illegal immigration folks) will seperate themselves and their support from Dobbs. That means no one will support him. Unless this turns out to be some form of manipulation by Telemundo, Dobbs is sunk!!!!
Remove me from petition list I signed yesterday supporting Lou for President. I saw interveiw of Lou Dobbs with Maria, a Puerto Rican actress and now television reporter with Telemundo--he is no better than the others who are in limelight. I say go with Mitt Romney!! Forget Palin, forget Dobbs for president..
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