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Joined: May 03, 2005 Posts: 16130 Location: California or ground zero of the invasion
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:10 am Post subject:
butterbean wrote:
lc0130 wrote:
Puertorican,
It always amazes me when I hear people say "is one world and it belongs to all of us" because, even do that statement is correct, this world is divided into nations and all nations have different laws.
As a Latina immigrant myself, who waited for over 4 years to come to this country "legally", I am absolutely and completely for "legal" immigration.
As for racism let me tell you my personal definition of people claiming racism ‘INSECURITY”
Oh by the way, are you from Puerto Rico? My son is a physician in San Juan and just today he was telling me on the phone how much resentment there is over there because of the illegals from Santo Domingo.
I'm confused. I thought Puerto Rico was now under United States jurisdiction.
Also, illegal and legal immigration have nothing to do with racism. It is the massive invasion of people who feel, that because they live 'next door' they have the right to come uninvited into our nation. And yes, Americans feel the "INSECURITY", because we dont know who these people are and what their intentions are for illegally entering our country.
Crimes such as rape, sexual molestation, driving under the influence and killing people with their cars (weapons of mass destruction), murder and robbery, have all soared. And the vast majority of these crimes, have been committed by illegal aliens.
lc0130 post was directed at a unwelcomed returning troll that was banned last night, and had their post deleted prior to hers. I wasn't giving them the satisfaction of leaving their racist propaganda up for everyone to read. _________________ Need Law Enforcement Information? Click here for the Alipac Action Panel
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RE:I want to know if you are accusing me of "running scared" with this piece I've written. Point blank yes/no.
I will say point blank NO with your initial piece, because it is your piece and you have the right to your position whatever that may be...but so do I.....and if you are suggesting that I should not say DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS because someone may "target" me than YES that is unquestionably running scared.
This guy is mexican cause he is using RE that means in spanish
RE-SPUESTA=ANSWER.
1 It has nothing to do with legal immigrants and shouldn't.
2 The unions of America cater to only illegal immigrants, it has been on their agenda for nearly a decade and they turned their back on U.S. workers long ago like Shylocks and charlatans. Many former heads of the AFL-CIO work for the CIA-funded National Endowment for Democracy [NED] and are in bed with Export Import Bank [Exim] and the GAO, which has lots of leverage with our total Congressional funds [the GAO building in Washington, second in federal size only to the Pentagon, and just as institutional, with near identical architecture, has for some time now had the moniker of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers stuck on their wall, this is the same COE which screwed up with our New Orleans levees; the Army Corps of Engineers moniker is imprinted on the wall of the main GAO national building pedestrian entranceway--- signifying their control and ownership by the Corps. Drive by and see for yourself with your own eyes!]
3 Rentals of apartments in the USA were diving down nearly ten years ago and frightful 5 years ago. Today it is bustling with illegal immigrants who have tripled volume of tenants for real estate dealers and owners and leasors.
4 Most of the people of New Orleans forced out of their homes by the Level 3 Katrina, and flooded out due to the poor administration and engineering of the US Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA, will never return because they cannot find jobs in the Gulf Coast. Most of those jobs have been snapped up by illegal immigrants and the illegals were encouraged by both Democrats and Republicans to do just so. The native New Orleaners and grown up in the Delta displaced are begging to return so that they can help rebuild their beloved New Orleans and Gulf Coast, the city a former spectacular black jewel and gem of the best of historic capitals worldwide, but FEMA has made next to no effort to house them or get the trailers up and running. And that was well over six months ago.
5 The tens of millions of Americans who had been desperately living off of six or seven credit cards rather than file for unemployment insurance, or welfare or church charity help -- that they would probably never even receive---and if they could get it despite the unhelpful obstacles placed in their way by the bureaucracies of many states --they would go into hiding so as not be called [mod edit] by the minority that have jobs and are acting smugger and smugger as they model their behavior on Fox and MSNBC news head-givers --- and these tens of millions have been sent perpetually adrift by GW Bush's recent signing of a bill to disallow bankruptcy by strapped and hurting workers of America; but steel companies and criminally charged companies and airlines can laugh and pee on our misery and file file file away billion dollar bankruptcy claims, like a Desert Storm breeze in our Gulf region.
6 Many of our uniformed troops in Iraq are there because times were tough and rough here jobwise in the U.S. due to all the illegal immigrant labor pool and to outsourcing to India and China. If WalMart did not hire them, it was off to war and dismemberment and death. Many families of soldiers abroad have gone to the welfare line due to transparent and cold lack of concern among the Congressmen and Pentagon about their economic and neglected plight. We live in a corporatized military time and reality, much like Greyhound Bus Services packs their buses and treats everyone onboard like they have a criminal record and are subhuman. The Greyhound should be on our national flag, and not the noble eagle any longer, it is not appropriate to represent us any longer.
7 The economies of Mexico and El Salvador and all Central and South America have NEVER EVER BEEN BETTER in their histories, and our U.S. economy has never been in a worse situation, with several trillions in dangerous national debt to foreigners, and a broken industrial base, and rotten school systems that lead to overpriced commercialized money grubbing universities that cater to swarms of rich immigrants, ha! GW has put the eye of Big Brother on SALLIE MAE student loans too, disabling the advancement of many domestic students, and soon they will revolt and protest even more savagely than the independent minded French, and we are awaiting that with baited breath and yearning.
8 Illegal immigrants work in offices as secretaries, word processors, bank loan officers, car dealer salesmen, city and county road workers, gas meter readers, HTML programmers through subcontractors with 6-month temp contracts, it is widely known that 47% of all roofers state to state are illegal Mexicans, and that is one fine job and well paid! Think of all the African Americans that excelled in jobs in Detroit auto manufacturing that would swoop down on those roofer jobs like vultures on a dead jobless legal citizen. The list is endless of great jobs the illegal immigrants have here, it is a myth that they only do "work nobody else wants to do". They even work with no paperwork or legality in Army base high security installations! Many of them. A lot of our soldiers in Iraq are illegal immigrants and not reported upon in our news.
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject:
Quote:
Rentals of apartments in the USA were diving down nearly ten years ago and frightful 5 years ago. Today it is bustling with illegal immigrants who have tripled volume of tenants for real estate dealers and owners and leasors
and it is a felony to rent to an illegal alien. In oregon- until the early 1990s - we had cheap rent then california and mexico came here enmasse.
now- federal tax pay funds are used to provide low income housing in washington county- 4000 units of it.
Illegal aliens who speak only spanish are identified as "special needs clients" by washington county and so receive preference.
this is why we have so many latino drug dealers- gang members and latina women with their pregnant bellies popping out even more anchor babies-- _________________ SAVE OUR NATION BOYCOTT
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Illegal aliens who speak only spanish are identified as "special needs clients"
Special needs as in they need to board a form of transportation that will carry them home?
CONGRATULATIONS, WILLIAM!!! _________________ If the US Government won't punish employers who hire illegal workers, the US Citizens must refuse to do business with anyone who is suspected of hiring illegals.
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: Enforcing laws.....
We know there are laws on the books that if enforced would eliminate the problem...however, everyone will say we do not have the money to enforce said laws, so I have another solution.
It is estimated that America's Middle Class loses some 200 Billion dollars a year in depressed wages YEARLY. It is also estimated conservatively that there are 10 Million Illegal Aliens (most from Mexico) here in America.
If you put a bounty on the head of each one of say $5,000 you are looking at around $50 Billion dollars if my math at this late hour is correct, or about 1/4 of our lost yearly wages.
Now, I can drive up to any corner where day laborers gather and tell them I need ten workers, and they will EAGERLY leap into the back of my pick up truck. 10 times $5,000 is $50,000 for one days work. So, put a bounty on the head of every single illegal alien in this nation, and let the red necks and their shotguns go to work...you can bet in a year this place would be DEVOID of illegal aliens, and the price tag WELL WORTH IT.
Pinto Bean _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
Humorous idea Pinto, but I don't think the American public would be happy with a bounty driven illegal alien hunt. Besides, US citizens do not have the ability to determine legal status.
Our police, Sheriffs, and Highway Patrol can get this thing turned the right way in short order.
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: They could but they will not.
Hello:
Yes, the various assorted law enforcement agencies in this country could put things in order in short haste...problem is, they will not do so. For instance, in New York city, and most of the surrounding communities, the mayors have signed edicts that make it illegal for police officers to detain illegal aliens, make it wrong for them to even ask them the question. In short, the drive for a cheap labor force outwieghs their concern to do what is right for the middle class.
Pinto Bean _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
We know there are laws on the books that if enforced would eliminate the problem...however, everyone will say we do not have the money to enforce said laws, so I have another solution.
I have an idea too. We already pay law enforcement. Let them do their jobs.
And I have another idea: we already pay soldiers. Put them on the border.
It all sounds very practical to me. But apparently certain places would rather sit around and wait for the Federal Government to dole out funds that aren't ever going to materialize. _________________ If the US Government won't punish employers who hire illegal workers, the US Citizens must refuse to do business with anyone who is suspected of hiring illegals.
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: Ideas.....
Junius:
Unfortunately, at times people within certain groups have to take drastic steps to get people in power to do what they are supposed to do. If the headlines are correct, the Senate seems on the brink of passing a guest worker program that will lead to Amnesty...I'd say it is time for those drastic actions on the part of America's middle class.
Pinto Bean
http://pintobeans.iblogs.com/ _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
Yes, but those sanctuary laws are under court challenge recently in many cases. Also, Florida and Alabama just trained their state police to enforce immigration law. At the end of 2005, two cities in California (Costa Mesa and Garden Grove) did the same. Here in NC, the Charlotte Mecklenburg Police have started to do the same.
This is a growing trend and several state legislatures are considering the same.
Humorous idea Pinto, but I don't think the American public would be happy with a bounty driven illegal alien hunt. Besides, US citizens do not have the ability to determine legal status
As I find it humorous in the sense that there other people that like me. But it almost seem like till it gets to that point (I feel we are close), if something doesn't change soon, nothing will change and it will just get worst.
What was crazy talk 4 years ago is not so crazy anymore. I think if something is not done the public opinon can change in a split second.
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BETO,
RE:This guy is mexican cause he is using RE that means in spanish
Wrong. "This guy" lives in a community that is invaded by illegal aliens Do you? Do you see this in your streets?
I experience the problem on a daily basis and therfore support a remedy that is commensurate with the magnitude of the problem. It would be nice if all people self-governed themselves. In this case there would no illegal aliens to begin with. However that is not the case. That is why I support a level of enforcement that will remedy the problem. DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS and use the military to secure our border aka prevent unlawful entry. Deportation should include round ups,sweeps, door to door and what ever enforcement techniques are necessary to remedy the problem. There is often a difference in opinion between those who actually live the reality of the invasion and occupation and those that do not. However that is true in any endeavor. Look at it like this, if you had a tooth that needed a root canal and you had a dentist that wanted to give you a small filling....well a reasonable person woundn't continue to go to that dentist.
Joined: Jun 29, 2005 Posts: 6503 Location: From FLA to GA as of 04/01/07
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:00 am Post subject:
Quote:
Mamita I cant believe that you are latina and think like that.
Yep, bigotry and racism, just spewing from this statement!
From a famous cowboy show in the 60s, Rowdy Yates used to always say:
HEAD EM UP, MOVE EM OUT!![/quote] _________________ Hey, it doesn't really matter to me, baby, everyone has got to fight to be free. You don't have to live like a refugee!--Tom Petty
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: Yes, Drastic Steps for Drastic Times.
Look, we all know the story...everyone of us here knows where the day labor gather on a daily basis!
If we know this, what is so hard in finding these people? NOTHING, so the reality is, the government does not want to find them.
I can go to six different locations within half and hours drive of my house from six AM to nine AM and see throngs of 40-100 illegals milling around waiting for work, watch as various contractors and landscaping services pull up, hold up 3, 4 or five fingers and drive off with their workers for the day. So, in my area, that is the potential for some 500 illegals taken off the streets in one sweep.
Multiply that times say 500 large and medium size cities and towns across America, and in one day, or two or three you are talking about not only taking some 250,000 illegals out of the job market, but you are sending a SERIOUS MESSAGE to corporate America that the days of depressed Middle Class wages is OVER. Problem is, government does not want to put and end to this cheap labor pool, so we have to force them to do the right thing, and that takes ACTION, not letter writing and phone calls whining about the status quo.
You want small....imagine a group of dedicated Americans in 100's of towns and cities across America suddenly showing up with their cars, and blocking off the stree access around 100's of these gathering points, and holding INSTANT PROTESTS!
Some may think I am radical, and perhaps I am, but lets go back to the beginnings of this fine nation. The British had the finest Army in the world, but we out flanked them, used the terrain to our advantage and carried the day...so far, the Mexicans and their president our out flanking us, stealing our way of life, in short, carrying the day, and we simply cannot let that continue to happen if we want to preserve our American way of life.
Pinto Bean _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
Not at all. We do protest where the illegal alien invader day laborers gather. Weekdays and weekends. I got a cup of hot coffee thrown at me this morning when we were out protesting, but 19 out of 20 passer-bys who opine give us thumbs up and/or honk their horns in support of our message as displayed on our signs. DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS.
And any reasonable should ask that if they are only here to work, then why are there large crowds of illegal aliens that gather daily on streets throughout the nation that are NOT WORKING? And more cross our border everyday. Eisenhower knew an invasion when he saw one and did mass deportations in 1954.
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: Curious here....
DxD:
Curious...what steps is your group taking locally to get coverage of your protest? Have you gotten any ink coverage, or managed to get your local TV station there to give you coverage? Have you invited your Congress person or Senator to JOIN you for one of these events, and then gone to the press when they have refused to join and support your efforts? Have you considered using your vehicles to block the stree so that those trying to drive by and hire these illegals cannot get through?
Pinto Bean _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
pintobean,
We have had much national and local media coverage, in print and TV.
As am matter of fact we had, and still have an ongoing invitation to any and all media to come stand on the corner with us with a pencil and paper and count the number of passer-bys that suport our message vs. those who oppose our message. Our message is:DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS and 19 out of 20 passer-bys who opine support us. However sometimes the ones who disagree have physically attacked our person and/or property.
As far as using vehicles for blockage-ABSOLUTELY NOT!!
We are law-abiding citizens.
Candidates for local office have joined us in our protest and they love hearing those horns beep because to them that represents votes.
As far as inviting our congressman we never did that, but we did tell our former congressman that if he wants our votes in the upcoming election he is REQUIRED to be there with us. He did not comply and we launched an effort to defeat him and he lost in 2002 in one of the closest races in the nation. Our present congressman is no better....but......you must take a stand....and declare that you will not support the problem....vote them out..or as some say..just keep voting out the incumbents till they get the message
Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: Another suggestion...
If you got one bum voted out of office, perhaps you could get another one voted out...
However, this time, why not collect the needed signatures to run and independent canidate who you know is on your side, not just providing lip service to your cause.
I've given this some thought, and am seriously wondering if this is the year that organizations such as this and the Minutemen should field a host of independent canidates for Congressional seats...even if we only won say 25-30 seats Nationwide, it might be enough to keep either the Republicans or Democrats from having a majority, which means they have to compromise with our side to get the votes they need to pass certain legislation. Not to mention the tactical advantage we would suddenly have by having access to up to the date hot intel by having one of us on the INSIDE. _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
We did something similar one year. We did a write-in of one of our own. No party, just a write-in for local office. The republicans were MAD as hell at us because they wanted those votes. But we learned something else from this. When your vote is not committed...in other words when your vote is available TO BE EARNED.....suddenly both parties became interested.
The worst thing you can do is give your vote away with out making demands because that provides no incentive for change. It's not like if you are not a member of a party you have no where to go...the reality is if you are not a member of a party.....everybody works to earn your vote since it is not committed...
Have a meeting of non declared voters and watch the elected officials come.
The more savvy among us can make a good case that the only reason we are battling amnesty right now is because of the brain-dead cult-like voters who GAVE their vote away to bush in 2004 without demanding that he enforce immigration laws in return for their support.
Any help from our ALIPAC Activists to get this article out on the web or web traffic flowing into it from other sites and group discussions would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject:
William - i guess this is a Nuts & Bolts day- but could you please explain the mechanics of how to do this?
I am willing to help - but I've never done this before and would appreciate instructions
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Joined: Jan 27, 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Peekskill, New York
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject:
William:
Just posted your article in both of my political blogs, hope it does some good.
Will also post it shortly to my new message board for purpose of some discussion hopefully.
Pinto Bean _________________ Keep the spirit of a child alive in your heart, and you can still spy the shadow of a unicorn when walking through the woods.
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I'm confused. I thought Puerto Rico was now under United States jurisdiction.
Check it out.
