Boycott Michael Savage

As someone who has a 13 year old godson who was diagnosed with Autism at the age of 2, I was utterly livid at the really assinine remarks made by Michael Savage. Yeah, I know he's one of those shock jocks who makes a living out of having a big mouth, but when you attack a bunch of innocent children who didn't ask to be born with this disorder, and the families who have had to suffer both emotionally and financially over this, there is absolutely no excuse.

Have you read these remarks?

Michael Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket"

Health & Fitness – On his radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is "[a] fraud, a racket ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99% of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron'."

http://health.propeller.com/story/2008/ ... -a-racket/

Here's a response by the group Autism Speaks:

Statement by Autism Speaks Regarding Radio Host Michael Savage's Remarks About Autism

One important goal of increasing awareness about autism is to foster a greater level of acceptance and understanding of the very real and significant challenges it poses to individuals with the disorder and their families. The good news is that we see more and more expressions of this compassion every day and everywhere, from classrooms and playgrounds to ballparks and supermarkets. Unfortunately, there are those who are apparently incapable of feeling compassion. They deserve our pity, not our scorn.


http://www.autismspeaks.org/statement_r ... emarks.php

I am so sorry; but your family is so lucky to have you :!: :idea:

I didn't think they were "born with it?" Isn't it aquired from our wonderful pharmacutical companies.

Was it right after a series of multiple shots?

You know they have cures now, don't you? I know Jenny MCCarthy son is cured by special methods,. Many others are following it and it works!

She has a book to explain all she went thru and how to get the kids back.

Sorry.....I agree with Michael Savage. It has been a serious diagnosis stretched to take in brats who don't have the disease or legit condition.

Has nothing to do with those who seriously have to deal with this...it's become an excuse and dumping ground for those who don't belong there.

Kind of like the simple drunk who wants to cry alcoholism as an excuse.

The loose woman who wants to jump the rape band wagon when rape never occured.....just regret.

My kids were "diagnosed" with ADD and they don't have it. They are simply lively kids who don't jump when they are told to jump. One openly and actively the other quite shyly.

The innocent suffer when there are those who abuse it.

It deminishes the plight of the actual victims and gives a free reign for those to abuse it.

I'm sorry, autism, ADD, manic depressive (bi-polar) and a whole host of things have been used as excuses for people who don't have a problem...except for their own lack of control and parents who won't parent.

I seriously feel for you......because your plight has been diminished to nothing when there is a serious problem.

Abuse it, loose it....and all the innocent along with it.

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I didn't think they were "born with it?" Isn't it aquired from our wonderful pharmacutical companies.

Was it right after a series of multiple shots?

You know they have cures now, don't you? I know Jenny MCCarthy son is cured by special methods,. Many others are following it and it works!

She has a book to explain all she went thru and how to get the kids back.

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REALLY??? What's the name of the book??

I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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You and a whole lot more. My parents wanted their "original" daughter back before I had my head injury. They said I was never the same. There's medical proof and definatly school recordings to prove it....but it was ignored way back then.

It's real and it is serious and I want you to fight every inch of the way.....but there are people who abuse the system and doctors who are eager to fit the round peg in the square hole to get out of it. (Atleast from the legal standpoint.)

I for one understand your frustration.....you are like the real rape victim who has their stand diminished by one who wasn't.

You just don't shoot the messenger for pointing out the problem. I seriously believe Michael Savage just pointed out the abuse of it. In all seriousness.....is there a kid out there today that doesn't have some serious behavioral problem? Feel confused, exhibit outbursts of emotion? Hey, your bi-polar.....not simply a NORMAL teenager. If you are a kid and don't do exactly as you are told....you have ADD!

Question anything and you are a terriorist. Disagree and you are a racist.

People who deal with it know the difference. You obviously know what the real deal is and are angry. Don't blame you. Keep fighting.

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I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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You and a whole lot more. My parents wanted their "original" daughter back before I had my head injury. They said I was never the same. There's medical proof and definatly school recordings to prove it....but it was ignored way back then.

It's real and it is serious and I want you to fight every inch of the way.....but there are people who abuse the system and doctors who are eager to fit the round peg in the square hole to get out of it. (Atleast from the legal standpoint.)

I for one understand your frustration.....you are like the real rape victim who has their stand diminished by one who wasn't.

You just don't shoot the messenger for pointing out the problem. I seriously believe Michael Savage just pointed out the abuse of it. In all seriousness.....is there a kid out there today that doesn't have some serious behavioral problem? Feel confused, exhibit outbursts of emotion? Hey, your bi-polar.....not simply a NORMAL teenager. If you are a kid and don't do exactly as you are told....you have ADD!

Question anything and you are a terriorist. Disagree and you are a racist.

People who deal with it know the difference. You obviously know what the real deal is and are angry. Don't blame you. Keep fighting.

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My son exhibited autistic symptoms within hours of getting a shot. He already had a history of being allergic to the pertussis shot, so he is medically exempt from that one. The one that changed him was the Hib booster shot at age 2. My doctor "assured me" the vaccine had nothing to with it. The autism specialist (pediatric neuropsychologist) assured me that it was the MMR vaccine, and not the Hib that parents 'pretend' gave their kids autism.

The woman who runs the early intervention program for my county, Renee, has told me that autism is linked to kids who watch too much TV. :roll:

I can explain that one: Once your autistic child has freaked out all day long because ONE DROP of water touched his arm 6 hours ago, and the fifteenth screening of SpongeBob SquarePants is his only consolation, YEAH we let them watch the damn TV!

It's saddens me that clueless people are in charge.

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Originally Posted by WorriedAmerican

I didn't think they were "born with it?" Isn't it aquired from our wonderful pharmacutical companies.

Was it right after a series of multiple shots?

You know they have cures now, don't you? I know Jenny MCCarthy son is cured by special methods,. Many others are following it and it works!

She has a book to explain all she went thru and how to get the kids back.

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REALLY??? What's the name of the book??

I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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[b]It only works with kids of a certain age. The process is repetition, to make new roads to the brain. It's a morning till night job with Physical therapy, diet, and supplements.
I wish you Luck

Louder Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism (Hardcover)

http://www.amazon.com/Louder-Than-Words-Mothers-

Editorial Reviews

Review
"Jenny McCarthy takes us on journey of a mom dealing with her son’s Autism diagnosis and treatment. We learn what it is like to be a parent and have your dreams shattered. We learn about a disease and about how others dealing with similar circumstances can aid one another. We learn about alternative approaches that seem promising. We learn about healing, hope, and faith."
—David Feinberg, from the foreword, MD, MBA
Medical Director, Resnick Neuropsychiatric Hospital at UCLA

“Jenny has done an incredible job retelling the story of Evan, who also was forced to make the perilous journey through Autism. Autism is not a dead end diagnosis. It is the beginning of a journey into faith, hope, love, and recovery.â€

First off, there is no known cure for autism. And as much as I like Jenny McCarthy, you cannot rely on her personal success story as each child has to be evaluated and treated on an individual basis.

There has been a lot of debate going on as to what actually causes autism. There have been many instances where healthy children changed dramatically after receiving their vaccines. We do not believe that was the case with my nephew as he was non verbal right from the start. My sister believes it is something that these children are predisposed to in their dna, which is then triggered by either vaccines or something environmentally.

It's a very complex disorder that has varying degrees of symptoms - that's why it is called an Autism "Spectrum". There are severe cases, those that are highly functional and somewhere in between. My nephew falls in the middle. He's come along way thanks to early intervention and behavioral modification from an amazing school in NJ called "Celebrate the Children" which was featured in Time magazine for doing great work.

And after much discussion and research by my sister, he was put on medication to help him to focus on his modification therapies which (as much as I hate pharmacuticals), did help him. It was very much needed in his case.


I can see some of your points of view. And I agree that many kids today are over medicated for things that are not necessary. Originally, my thought was that Savage was confusing autism with A.D.D. as A.D.D. has really been an excuse used to medicate kids who were being hyper due to (in some cases) having too much sugar in their diets!

I couldn't understand why Savage was refering to autism as it's more than just being non verbal or throwning tantrums. There are very real anxiety issues dealing with being overly sensitive to stimuli such as loud noises and crowds of people. My nephew used to pinch or hit us as a toddler and the reason for that was because he was frustrated that he couldn't express himself! Imagine not being able to tell mommy I have a tummy ache or I'm scared?


So to say that Autism is a fraud is completely irresponsible and minimizes the seriousness of it! It could cause some of his listerners to discreminate against these children/adults who are now under the impression that they are all just acting up because they are a bunch of brats or troublemakers.

He should have put more thought into what he was saying. What I would like for him to do, is to have a mother who has an autistic child, and someone who treats kids with this disorder on his show. For one day, put aside the schtick of being a shock jock and just do something informative without any hidden agendas.

You are wrong! sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACP6htZS77U

It's more than Jenny, doing it and having spectacular results., I saw many kids fixed and now normal.

I have worked with autistic and had to take many inservices because of it.

And they do know what causes it. It's an abundance of toxins, accumulated over time and the multiple shots add to it and that's why it happens after they get the 2 year old shot. Many get it within a couple of days of their multiple shots.

Yes some are born with it and I agree with why you said.

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I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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You and a whole lot more. My parents wanted their "original" daughter back before I had my head injury. They said I was never the same. There's medical proof and definatly school recordings to prove it....but it was ignored way back then.

It's real and it is serious and I want you to fight every inch of the way.....but there are people who abuse the system and doctors who are eager to fit the round peg in the square hole to get out of it. (Atleast from the legal standpoint.)

I for one understand your frustration.....you are like the real rape victim who has their stand diminished by one who wasn't.

You just don't shoot the messenger for pointing out the problem. I seriously believe Michael Savage just pointed out the abuse of it. In all seriousness.....is there a kid out there today that doesn't have some serious behavioral problem? Feel confused, exhibit outbursts of emotion? Hey, your bi-polar.....not simply a NORMAL teenager. If you are a kid and don't do exactly as you are told....you have ADD!

Question anything and you are a terriorist. Disagree and you are a racist.

People who deal with it know the difference. You obviously know what the real deal is and are angry. Don't blame you. Keep fighting.

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Not to speak of all the kids whos mind is being blown by the pushers .

Everyone of the child school shooters were on some kind of drug given by their own parents !! mainly to shut them up so they and the teachers could " come a long way baby' and "have it all ' . Well we'r finding out that we can't have it all ,baby.

Trading our kids for posessions in some cases . Some kids hit the nursery before they are out of the hospital good. Cared for by others who make $6 an hour . Dog kennel attendants get better pay then that !

If women still learned to cook, take care of a man our kids wouldn't be in this sad shape they are today . But there aren't any women home to do these things ,thanks to the fems now they have to work ,never should have let them vote !. They have the sex lives of wild animals now, no wonder their idols are Britany Spears and Paris Hilton .

Cloe I agree with part of what you said .

But newborns also get shots so who knows .

We also stopped growing our food and left it up to the carpetbaggers to feed us and our kids.

Savge is tactless and mean spirited partly from frustration of how this nation has turned out .

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I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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You and a whole lot more. My parents wanted their "original" daughter back before I had my head injury. They said I was never the same. There's medical proof and definatly school recordings to prove it....but it was ignored way back then.

It's real and it is serious and I want you to fight every inch of the way.....but there are people who abuse the system and doctors who are eager to fit the round peg in the square hole to get out of it. (Atleast from the legal standpoint.)

I for one understand your frustration.....you are like the real rape victim who has their stand diminished by one who wasn't.

You just don't shoot the messenger for pointing out the problem. I seriously believe Michael Savage just pointed out the abuse of it. In all seriousness.....is there a kid out there today that doesn't have some serious behavioral problem? Feel confused, exhibit outbursts of emotion? Hey, your bi-polar.....not simply a NORMAL teenager. If you are a kid and don't do exactly as you are told....you have ADD!

Question anything and you are a terriorist. Disagree and you are a racist.

People who deal with it know the difference. You obviously know what the real deal is and are angry. Don't blame you. Keep fighting.

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Not to speak of all the kids whos mind is being blown by the pushers .

Everyone of the child school shooters were on some kind of drug given by their own parents !! mainly to shut them up so they and the teachers could " come a long way baby' and "have it all ' . Well we'r finding out that we can't have it all ,baby.

Trading our kids for posessions in some cases . Some kids hit the nursery before they are out of the hospital good. Cared for by others who make $6 an hour . Dog kennel attendants get better pay then that !

If women still learned to cook, take care of a man our kids wouldn't be in this sad shape they are today . But there aren't any women home to do these things ,thanks to the fems now they have to work ,never should have let them vote !. They have the sex lives of wild animals now, no wonder their idols are Britany Spears and Paris Hilton .

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What?????? Oh brother, here comes the "blame women for everthing" crowd. I hope you're not married 'cause I feel sorry for yuor wife! I'm a proud feminist but I am not a radical feminist. I don't hate men but I do believe in equal opportunity and fair pay. Maybe YOU would rather us go back to a time when women were treated like property and weren't even allowed to vote. Sorry, NOT me!!! No doubt you feel the same way about Black people too.

Believe it or not, I read somewhere that the tide is changing in terms of more women deciding to stay home and raise their children rather than continuing their careers. But it's all an individual's choice and their right to decide. However, many families today simply cannot survive on one paycheck so both parents have to work.

You know, raising a family is a two way street. While I believe motherhood is the most important job a woman will ever have, I also believe that a man should be held just as responsible in raising their kids.
Children need BOTH parents involved in their lives so don't use that lame excuse that it's all the woman's fault.

What's interesting to note is that the countries who share your attitude about women, and prevent them working, getting an education or voting, end up looking like Afghanistan.

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You are wrong! sorry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACP6htZS77U

It's more than Jenny, doing it and having spectacular results., I saw many kids fixed and now normal.

I have worked with autistic and had to take many inservices because of it.

And they do know what causes it. It's an abundance of toxins, accumulated over time and the multiple shots add to it and that's why it happens after they get the 2 year old shot. Many get it within a couple of days of their multiple shots.

Yes some are born with it and I agree with why you said.

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I still stand by what I said. There is no cure for autism otherwise ALL the people who tried this method would have found success. My cousin tried it and it didn't work, as well as some people my sister knows. So I think before we jump the gun here, we should just say that there has been some successes in individual cases. It's a delicate matter and I wouldn't want to get peoples hopes up as it may not work for them like it has for others.

Since there is no blood test to determine who has autism, I believe there are other issues at play here. I'll post more specifics later when I have more time!

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I know a woman in Florida who had that happen.....not only with one child, but with 2. Old enough to where there was no question the vaccines were the cause. But there.....you pretty much don't have a choice if you are on welfare, expect your kids to go to any daycare or any school. Even after it happened to one child, they wouldn't exempt her and Florida has you sign a paper saying you won't sue them or the company if there is a problem. Some choice.

I did volunter work at a group home and we had an autistic gentleman there.....the TV was the only thing that calmed him down. That was his retreat when it got to be too much. Face it....it's an escape even for normal people who have had enough.

I never trusted vaccines to begin with. There was a movie called the "Awakening" which was based on a true story of severe reactions to vaccines back in the 50's I think. There's so much they don't know and it angers me they put people at risk before they really do know, or ride parents off as crazy because they see a direct link to the issue they don't want to face.

chloe, I am sorry about your 13yr old Godson. Many people dont understand what and where Autism comes from.

Here is an article about some of Michael Savages remarks:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69250

[/quote]But there.....you pretty much don't have a choice if you are on welfare, expect your kids to go to any daycare or any school. Even after it happened to one child, they wouldn't exempt her and Florida has you sign a paper saying you won't sue them or the company if there is a problem. Some choice.[/quote]

Just an FYI - They should have qualified for a medical exemption with the first child showing problems but just so you know and for anyone else reading this, all states except Mississippi and West Virginia allow a religious exemption to vaccines and many states also allow a philosophical exemption. The woman you mentioned in FL could have written up her own exemption form to get her kids enrolled in school and avoided the vaccines.

Lynne....this was about 15 + years ago. They threatned to charge me with neglect because I didn't want it done and again when I refused to sign the exemption paper. The ONLY way I had around it was to home school my kids and unfortunatly, at the time, I couldn't....though I would have loved too. The woman I spoke of tried every way she could around those rules to not have her 2nd child immunized and they said there wasn't enough medical evidence to prove it and wouldn't exempt her.

Believe me......I researched it and ran into a number of people who were trying to fight their "choice" in the matter. They may have lightened up on it since then but it was extreemly strict back then......atleast for those of us who didn't have an attorney to try and fight it.

I had friends who were Jahovahs (sp)witnesses who for a long time were exempt because of relegious beliefs.....but when they changed the vaccines to where there were no blood products or live viruses, they couldn't use that exemption either. They didn't require the HB1 back then till my oldest started Jr.High. She had a reaction and since I couldn't prove it wasn't something else and it wasn't "serious enough" for hospitalization, she had to have the 2nd one. Fortunatly nothing serious resulted from it.....but I was not given any real "choice" in the matter. Relegious or philosophical. When I went to college and learned about alot of this, they told us if they couldn't guarentee the safety of my child I wouldn't be forced to do the shots.......but as with everything there was a way around it. It could have just been during the time it was critical for my kids, but there was no choice there. I didn't have them vaccinated as infants....I only did what was mandated for entry in school...and they were on everyone about it. No shots, no school and reported to HRS if you did not comply for neglegence.

Sorry, this is getting way off topic.
Yes, I'm not sure how long the exemptions have been allowed and the school and government will not tell people about them so most people don't even know that it's an option even now.

For a religious exemption, you don't even have to specify your religion and they aren't allowed to ask. You pretty much just list your state's statutes and then state that for religious reasons you choose not to vaccinate. No attorney needs to be involved. I did a form for my son and just printed it, signed it and gave it to the school. No problem.

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For a religious exemption, you don't even have to specify your religion and they aren't allowed to ask. You pretty much just list your state's statutes and then state that for religious reasons you choose not to vaccinate. No attorney needs to be involved. I did a form for my son and just printed it, signed it and gave it to the school. No problem.

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I wish I could have that but it wouldn't fly then. That's why this whole thing is so confusing. Nothing is the same and it changes all the time. Sometimes it's very strict and other times not enforced at all.

I just feel so badly for those who suffer as a result of it.

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There is no cure for autism otherwise ALL the people who tried this method would have found success.

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I didn't say it cures all, BUT kids have been cured. It's lots of work and not something you can do without a team to have consistancy all the childs waking hours. If your relative read the book and tried some stuff all alone, it will not work.

Have you investigated Temple Grandin? Along with inventing a mechinism to calm cows by pressure on them, which she did to herself to stand her own Autism. Later on she was diagnosed with Ausbergers due to her intelligence. Here's her books:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/2 ... &x=24&y=21.

Here's some of her history, she is truely amazing.

Based on personal experience, Grandin advocates early intervention to address autism and supportive teachers who can direct fixations of the autistic child in fruitful directions. She has described her hypersensitivity to noise and other sensory stimuli. She is a primarily visual thinker and has said that language is her second language. Temple attributes her success as a humane livestock facility designer to her ability to recall detail, which is a characteristic of her visual memory. Grandin compares her memory to full-length movies in her head that can be replayed at will, allowing her to notice small details that would otherwise be overlooked. She is also able to view her memories using slightly different contexts by changing the positions of the lighting and shadows. Her insight into the minds of cattle has taught her to value the changes in details to which animals are particularly sensitive, and to use her visualization skills to design thoughtful and humane animal-handling equipment.

Grandin is considered a philosophical leader of both the animal welfare and autism advocacy movements. Both movements commonly cite her work regarding animal welfare, neurology, and philosophy. She knows all too well the anxiety of feeling threatened by everything in her surroundings, and of being dismissed and feared, all of which motivates her in her quest to promote humane livestock handling processes. Her business website has entire sections on how to improve standards in slaughter plants and livestock farms. In 2004 she won a "Proggy" award, in the "visionary" category, from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

One of her most important essays about animal welfare is "Animals are not Things," in which she posits that animals are technically property in our society, but the law ultimately gives them ethical protections or rights. She uses a screwdriver metaphor: a person can legally smash or grind up a screwdriver but a person cannot legally torture an animal.

As a proponent of neurodiversity, Grandin has expressed that she would not support a cure of the entirety of the autistic spectrum.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin

That's it, I'm done, if people doubt what I'm trying to offer for informationthere is nothing more I can say. Remember, it takes a team not a couple of people to give consistancy, EVERY day.

It's cool to have the kids later explain what to was like when they were trapped in themself and what they were thinking at moments they remembers.

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There is no cure for autism otherwise ALL the people who tried this method would have found success.

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I didn't say it cures all, BUT kids have been cured. It's lots of work and not something you can do without a team to have consistancy all the childs waking hours. If your relative read the book and tried some stuff all alone, it will not work.

Have you investigated Temple Grandin? Along with inventing a mechinism to calm cows by pressure on them, which she did to herself to stand her own Autism. Later on she was diagnosed with Ausbergers due to her intelligence. Here's her books:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/2 ... &x=24&y=21.

Here's some of her history, she is truely amazing.

Based on personal experience, Grandin advocates early intervention to address autism and supportive teachers who can direct fixations of the autistic child in fruitful directions. She has described her hypersensitivity to noise and other sensory stimuli. She is a primarily visual thinker and has said that language is her second language. Temple attributes her success as a humane livestock facility designer to her ability to recall detail, which is a characteristic of her visual memory. Grandin compares her memory to full-length movies in her head that can be replayed at will, allowing her to notice small details that would otherwise be overlooked. She is also able to view her memories using slightly different contexts by changing the positions of the lighting and shadows. Her insight into the minds of cattle has taught her to value the changes in details to which animals are particularly sensitive, and to use her visualization skills to design thoughtful and humane animal-handling equipment.

Grandin is considered a philosophical leader of both the animal welfare and autism advocacy movements. Both movements commonly cite her work regarding animal welfare, neurology, and philosophy. She knows all too well the anxiety of feeling threatened by everything in her surroundings, and of being dismissed and feared, all of which motivates her in her quest to promote humane livestock handling processes. Her business website has entire sections on how to improve standards in slaughter plants and livestock farms. In 2004 she won a "Proggy" award, in the "visionary" category, from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

One of her most important essays about animal welfare is "Animals are not Things," in which she posits that animals are technically property in our society, but the law ultimately gives them ethical protections or rights. She uses a screwdriver metaphor: a person can legally smash or grind up a screwdriver but a person cannot legally torture an animal.

As a proponent of neurodiversity, Grandin has expressed that she would not support a cure of the entirety of the autistic spectrum.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Grandin

That's it, I'm done, if people doubt what I'm trying to offer for informationthere is nothing more I can say. Remember, it takes a team not a couple of people to give consistancy, EVERY day.

It's cool to have the kids later explain what to was like when they were trapped in themself and what they were thinking at moments they remembers.

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Uh, there's no need to get so sensitive there Worried American. I never said I doubted you and I appreciate your advice! I believe what you said about the successes other people have experienced. I didn't doubt that for a minute. But that doesn't mean it's a cure for everyone. It appeared you were suggesting that there WAS a cure for everyone because you said I was wrong for saying that there wasn't! (hope I made sense here!)

Thanks for all the information you posted. Yes, I have heard of Temple Grandin. In fact my sister met her a few years back at an Autism seminar down in Atlantic City. She's an amazing person!

Anyway, I contacted my sister about our discussions and she sent me the following email:


"I believe that Jenny McCarthy has brought "good light" to the subject of Autism or as I'd like to call Â*Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). A true Autistic person unfortunately is very much locked within their own world, has no language, no eye contact, exhibits "extreme stimming"Â*on a consistent basis and 90% have mental retardation. Is there a cure for these individuals? I'm not so ready to jump on the band wagon yet.

Persons with ASD on the other hand may do very well on the system that Jenny McCarthy touts in her book. Remember she started these interventions when her son exhibited the symptoms of ASD at a very young age,and that is a crucial component.

Many families do not recognize the symptoms of ASD and some doctorsÂ* are quick to judge the Mother for being overly cautious. Remember there is no blood test to determine Autism or ASD, only by behavior can these diagnosis be determined. But to say that Autism or ASD'sÂ*can be cured is not fair to all the families out there who have tried diets, kelation shots, vitamins, dolphin therapy, etc, and are still dealing with a child in their own little world. EveryÂ*person is different. That is what is so devastating about ASD's.

I do not believe that it's just vaccines or just the environment or just genetics. In my son's case I believe he may have carried a gene that was predisposed to ASD and maybe it was triggered by the environment or vaccines. I don't know, like other parents I wish I knew and I wish he could take a pill and be cured. He is doing well with his therapies and has grown tremendously in his speech and social skills. Will he ever be cured? I don't know but we take it one day at a time.

I am surrounded by families who have tried everything under the sun to get their children to utter one word. One family believed that removing her daughters back teeth may help and placing the girl in a hyper-barric chamber for an hour a day. Unfortunately these extremes and being on a special diet have not helped her child. DO NOT TOUT THAT THERE IS A CURE FOR AUTISM.Â* Please be careful how things are phrased, when success' occur great, but not everyone is so lucky."

My sister said it much better than I could have ever hoped to. I hope that clarifies some of what I was attempting to say.


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Chloe24

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Uh, there's no need to get so sensitive there Worried American. I never said I doubted you and I appreciate your advice! I believe what you said about the successes other people have experienced. I didn't doubt that for a minute. But that doesn't mean it's a cure for everyone. It appeared you were suggesting that there WAS a cure for everyone because you said I was wrong for saying that there wasn't! (hope I made sense here!)

Thanks for all the information you posted. Yes, I have heard of Temple Grandin. In fact my sister met her a few years back at an Autism seminar down in Atlantic City. She's an amazing person!

Anyway, I contacted my sister about our discussions and she sent me the following email:


"I believe that Jenny McCarthy has brought "good light" to the subject of Autism or as I'd like to call Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). A true Autistic person unfortunately is very much locked within their own world, has no language, no eye contact, exhibits "extreme stimming" on a consistent basis and 90% have mental retardation. Is there a cure for these individuals? I'm not so ready to jump on the band wagon yet.

Persons with ASD on the other hand may do very well on the system that Jenny McCarthy touts in her book. Remember she started these interventions when her son exhibited the symptoms of ASD at a very young age,and that is a crucial component.

Many families do not recognize the symptoms of ASD and some doctors are quick to judge the Mother for being overly cautious. Remember there is no blood test to determine Autism or ASD, only by behavior can these diagnosis be determined. But to say that Autism or ASD's can be cured is not fair to all the families out there who have tried diets, kelation shots, vitamins, dolphin therapy, etc, and are still dealing with a child in their own little world. Every person is different. That is what is so devastating about ASD's.

I do not believe that it's just vaccines or just the environment or just genetics. In my son's case I believe he may have carried a gene that was predisposed to ASD and maybe it was triggered by the environment or vaccines. I don't know, like other parents I wish I knew and I wish he could take a pill and be cured. He is doing well with his therapies and has grown tremendously in his speech and social skills. Will he ever be cured? I don't know but we take it one day at a time.

I am surrounded by families who have tried everything under the sun to get their children to utter one word. One family believed that removing her daughters back teeth may help and placing the girl in a hyper-barric chamber for an hour a day. Unfortunately these extremes and being on a special diet have not helped her child. DO NOT TOUT THAT THERE IS A CURE FOR AUTISM. Please be careful how things are phrased, when success' occur great, but not everyone is so lucky."

My sister said it much better than I could have ever hoped to. I hope that clarifies some of what I was attempting to say.

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I understand. .. but I wasn't being sensitive though, I just know I'm right, there's a difference. We were talking 2 different scenerios......

I worked 25 years in an institution for the retarded. My clients were ALL very aggressive. I have the scars to prove it! I wasn't referring to any of the retarded autistic. I didn't want to bring in too much side info into the discussion, is all.

I'm only speaking of normal kids who got the shots and got autistic in days, not kids born with it. I think that is environmental, totally. I'm even wondering if the years of lead the Chinese have been feeding our children might have to do with it too. Just my personal thought due to the way it skyrocketed.

If the parent can't afford resources, and has no help from family or friends, I'm afraid, they can only do their best dealing with the day to day stress. Care givers are so stressed and over-whelmed. Throw in that it's your child and I get stressed thinking about trying to "cure" your kid.

There is no cure for retardation, but there are little steps which take a long time, years. We just try to get them as independent as possible. So that is a totally different subject IMHO. If your child has retardation it wasn't mentioned. I would not have said there was a cure for him/her. I was strictly speaking JUST autistic. We were on two different subjects, sort of.

Yes, you are right on parents missing the window of opportunity. I couldn't remember the specific age you have to incorporate the intensive therapy, every waking moment. I thought it was under 5 and I think that shot is given at 2?

Also the doctors don't want to admit that the kid has autism because in many instances the mom asked and was leery of the shot. So they stall the answer and stick their heads in the sand and hope. they must feel guilty and very upset.

Many of the just retarded (not with any autism) "self stim" too but I think it might be a habit from the early years of being hidden and bored. Some of my clients were found in rooms on 3rd floors, left all alone except feeding, hidden from relatives, one lived in a chicken coop with her retarded sister and a set of blind retarded Echolalic, (the repetition of words and sounds a person has heard either recently or quite a while ago) twins were in an open hope chest and was thrown food. Later they just crawled around on the floor in a locked room.

I also saw kids in a Russian orphanage that weren't retarded but they "self stimmed," out of neglect. A baby will die if it is not ever touched.

It's so sad.

Good luck with your child/nephew. I wish you the best.
I'm not trying to argue I just hate being misunderstood and I was only reffering to those who got it from the shot and have no retardation.

Chloe24,

I'm so sorry to hear that this disorder has had an impact on your family.

Dr. Savage can be a bit too harsh and over the top sometimes, but that is also the reason people love him so much. He speaks freely without always calculating the impact of what he says.

I did not hear his original comments, but I heard some of his show the next night.

My local TV news had a story screaming "Shock Jock in Hot Water for Saying Autism Isn't Real!"

On his follow up show, he was saying that he thought that Autism was real but that the "Autism Spectrum" being promoted by the psychiatric institutions and big pharmaceuticals companies was entirely too broad and designed to get more children on prescription drugs.

Before being offended, I would encourage you to write him or to try to find an archive of his shows to see what he actually said.

You cannot rely on the MSM to tell the truth about what someone like Dr. Savage said.

W

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Chloe24

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Uh, there's no need to get so sensitive there Worried American. I never said I doubted you and I appreciate your advice! I believe what you said about the successes other people have experienced. I didn't doubt that for a minute. But that doesn't mean it's a cure for everyone. It appeared you were suggesting that there WAS a cure for everyone because you said I was wrong for saying that there wasn't! (hope I made sense here!)

Thanks for all the information you posted. Yes, I have heard of Temple Grandin. In fact my sister met her a few years back at an Autism seminar down in Atlantic City. She's an amazing person!

Anyway, I contacted my sister about our discussions and she sent me the following email:


"I believe that Jenny McCarthy has brought "good light" to the subject of Autism or as I'd like to call Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). A true Autistic person unfortunately is very much locked within their own world, has no language, no eye contact, exhibits "extreme stimming" on a consistent basis and 90% have mental retardation. Is there a cure for these individuals? I'm not so ready to jump on the band wagon yet.

Persons with ASD on the other hand may do very well on the system that Jenny McCarthy touts in her book. Remember she started these interventions when her son exhibited the symptoms of ASD at a very young age,and that is a crucial component.

Many families do not recognize the symptoms of ASD and some doctors are quick to judge the Mother for being overly cautious. Remember there is no blood test to determine Autism or ASD, only by behavior can these diagnosis be determined. But to say that Autism or ASD's can be cured is not fair to all the families out there who have tried diets, kelation shots, vitamins, dolphin therapy, etc, and are still dealing with a child in their own little world. Every person is different. That is what is so devastating about ASD's.

I do not believe that it's just vaccines or just the environment or just genetics. In my son's case I believe he may have carried a gene that was predisposed to ASD and maybe it was triggered by the environment or vaccines. I don't know, like other parents I wish I knew and I wish he could take a pill and be cured. He is doing well with his therapies and has grown tremendously in his speech and social skills. Will he ever be cured? I don't know but we take it one day at a time.

I am surrounded by families who have tried everything under the sun to get their children to utter one word. One family believed that removing her daughters back teeth may help and placing the girl in a hyper-barric chamber for an hour a day. Unfortunately these extremes and being on a special diet have not helped her child. DO NOT TOUT THAT THERE IS A CURE FOR AUTISM. Please be careful how things are phrased, when success' occur great, but not everyone is so lucky."

My sister said it much better than I could have ever hoped to. I hope that clarifies some of what I was attempting to say.

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I understand. .. but I wasn't being sensitive though, I just know I'm right, there's a difference. We were talking 2 different scenerios......

I worked 25 years in an institution for the retarded. My clients were ALL very aggressive. I have the scars to prove it! I wasn't referring to any of the retarded autistic. I didn't want to bring in too much side info into the discussion, is all.

I'm only speaking of normal kids who got the shots and got autistic in days, not kids born with it. I think that is environmental, totally. I'm even wondering if the years of lead the Chinese have been feeding our children might have to do with it too. Just my personal thought due to the way it skyrocketed.

If the parent can't afford resources, and has no help from family or friends, I'm afraid, they can only do their best dealing with the day to day stress. Care givers are so stressed and over-whelmed. Throw in that it's your child and I get stressed thinking about trying to "cure" your kid.

There is no cure for retardation, but there are little steps which take a long time, years. We just try to get them as independent as possible. So that is a totally different subject IMHO. If your child has retardation it wasn't mentioned. I would not have said there was a cure for him/her. I was strictly speaking JUST autistic. We were on two different subjects, sort of.

Yes, you are right on parents missing the window of opportunity. I couldn't remember the specific age you have to incorporate the intensive therapy, every waking moment. I thought it was under 5 and I think that shot is given at 2?

Also the doctors don't want to admit that the kid has autism because in many instances the mom asked and was leery of the shot. So they stall the answer and stick their heads in the sand and hope. they must feel guilty and very upset.

Many of the just retarded (not with any autism) "self stim" too but I think it might be a habit from the early years of being hidden and bored. Some of my clients were found in rooms on 3rd floors, left all alone except feeding, hidden from relatives, one lived in a chicken coop with her retarded sister and a set of blind retarded Echolalic, (the repetition of words and sounds a person has heard either recently or quite a while ago) twins were in an open hope chest and was thrown food. Later they just crawled around on the floor in a locked room.

I also saw kids in a Russian orphanage that weren't retarded but they "self stimmed," out of neglect. A baby will die if it is not ever touched.

It's so sad.

Good luck with your child/nephew. I wish you the best.
I'm not trying to argue I just hate being misunderstood and I was only reffering to those who got it from the shot and have no retardation.

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That's ok WorriedAmerican. I hate being misunderstood myself! You obviously have experienced many things first hand. And I must commend you. It takes a very special person who does the kind of work that you do.

You make a very good point about lead from China. I wonder if anyone ever brought that up into consideration as well? I appreciate your kind well wishes and thanks to the other members who posted theirs too.

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Chloe24,

I'm so sorry to hear that this disorder has had an impact on your family.

Dr. Savage can be a bit too harsh and over the top sometimes, but that is also the reason people love him so much. He speaks freely without always calculating the impact of what he says.

I did not hear his original comments, but I heard some of his show the next night.

My local TV news had a story screaming "Shock Jock in Hot Water for Saying Autism Isn't Real!"

On his follow up show, he was saying that he thought that Autism was real but that the "Autism Spectrum" being promoted by the psychiatric institutions and big pharmaceuticals companies was entirely too broad and designed to get more children on prescription drugs.

Before being offended, I would encourage you to write him or to try to find an archive of his shows to see what he actually said.

You cannot rely on the MSM to tell the truth about what someone like Dr. Savage said.

W

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Thank you for your post and for the kind words William. I'm actually familiar with Dr. Savage as I used to listen to his show from time to time.

From what I have been hearing recently, he seems to be backtracking a bit from his initial outburst. There are several audio clips on his website addressing what he supposedly truly believes about autism. For all I know he may be sincere however, he originally did state that autism was a fraud. I heard it on audio and this is a direct quote of what he said:

"I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there like a crying and screaming idiot.' http://mediamatters.org/items/200807180001

While I certainly agree with you that you can't rely on the MSM, I don't see how one can possibly sugar coat something like this quote. Consider it from the point of view from a family member who is dealing with a child who has an autism spectrum disorder.

Some excerpts from a recent op-ed in Newsday:

It's important for people to understand that children with autism have a diagnosed disorder. So unless neurologists, psychologists, psychiatrists and speech language pathologists cannot differentiate between "brats" and children with disabilities, Savage's comment betrays a great deal of ignorance.

The process of diagnosis and identification is a complex one. Educational teams within the school system require input from professionals and parents. Teams are also required to review multiple assessments, so that diagnosis is not based on a single evaluation.

To say any child is a brat suggests either poor parenting or oppositional behavior in the children. Parents of children with disabilities work hard to tailor their parenting skills to the needs of their children. Children with autism are not deliberately or even knowingly exhibiting "bratty" behavior.
It's not helpful for any media talk-show host to make such sweeping negative comments about any group of individuals, let alone children, and especially children with disabilities. They cannot argue back.

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny- ... 7445.story

I agree with Savage 100% about the overmedication of children in our society. However, I think that message will now be lost in light of his quote and how the media is now running with it.

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I didn't think they were "born with it?" Isn't it aquired from our wonderful pharmacutical companies.

Was it right after a series of multiple shots?

You know they have cures now, don't you? I know Jenny MCCarthy son is cured by special methods,. Many others are following it and it works!

She has a book to explain all she went thru and how to get the kids back.

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REALLY??? What's the name of the book??

I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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Seaturtle, was all our info helpful to you? Good luck to you and your son. I didn't want you to feel left out. :wink:

Hey chloe24,
I went back and read our (group) whole conversation here and thought it was great how we went in a circle then came together again. So I cut and pasted some of the conversation and sent it to my email contacts. It might help some of their friends who have had the same problem as you and Seaturtle. I mentioned that there might be some mistakes but it was basically a good starting point for over-whelmed parents. I hope you don't mind.
Good getting to know you. :D

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I didn't think they were "born with it?" Isn't it aquired from our wonderful pharmacutical companies.

Was it right after a series of multiple shots?

You know they have cures now, don't you? I know Jenny MCCarthy son is cured by special methods,. Many others are following it and it works!

She has a book to explain all she went thru and how to get the kids back.

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REALLY??? What's the name of the book??

I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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Seaturtle, I wish you well with your son. I'm embarrassed that I got so caught up in my discussion with WorriedAmerican that I negelcetd to recognize your own concerns. My apologies!

How old is your son? Have you enrolled him into any early intervention programs? I believe this is key. From my perspective, those who do this, definitely see some successful results. Surround yourself with other mothers or families going through similar circumstances. Join one of the many autism spectrum forums available online

Luckily, my sister didn't waste any time. She got my godson in a program around the age of 2 or 3. He is now 13 and goes to a private school which specializes in this sort of disability. His verbalization and social skills have improved tremendously.

On the opposite side of this is my cousin who also has a son. He and his wife believed in only persuing a special diet for their son. They may have stayed with it too long even when it wasn't working, and that delay has made it more difficult for him now that he is older. (He's 11 now)

Bottom line, the mothers of these kids know more about them than the medical experts. They have become the experts now, so when it comes to schooling don't be pushed around. Fight for the programs in your area that these kids need. My sister was never confrontational but ever since her son was diagnosed, she became a pitbull to insure that her son got the best possible support and also passed along her knowledge to other families.

She also made time for herself to go out once a week with a small group of other mothers, just to have fun. It's so important because even though some fathers try their best to help out, it's always the mothers that shoulder more of the day to day responsibilities of having a special needs child. Be well and stay strong.

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Hey chloe24,
I went back and read our (group) whole conversation here and thought it was great how we went in a circle then came together again. So I cut and pasted some of the conversation and sent it to my email contacts. It might help some of their friends who have had the same problem as you and Seaturtle. I mentioned that there might be some mistakes but it was basically a good starting point for over-whelmed parents. I hope you don't mind.
Good getting to know you. :D

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Hey, if it helps out other families I don't mind at all! Good getting to know you as well. :)

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Sorry.....I agree with Michael Savage. It has been a serious diagnosis stretched to take in brats who don't have the disease or legit condition.

Has nothing to do with those who seriously have to deal with this...it's become an excuse and dumping ground for those who don't belong there.

Kind of like the simple drunk who wants to cry alcoholism as an excuse.

The loose woman who wants to jump the rape band wagon when rape never occured.....just regret.

My kids were "diagnosed" with ADD and they don't have it. They are simply lively kids who don't jump when they are told to jump. One openly and actively the other quite shyly.

The innocent suffer when there are those who abuse it.

It deminishes the plight of the actual victims and gives a free reign for those to abuse it.

I'm sorry, autism, ADD, manic depressive (bi-polar) and a whole host of things have been used as excuses for people who don't have a problem...except for their own lack of control and parents who won't parent.

I seriously feel for you......because your plight has been diminished to nothing when there is a serious problem.

Abuse it, loose it....and all the innocent along with it.

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Crazybird is crazy like a fox !

This taken out of context 18 SECOND rant was in defense of children . Indirectly or ignorantly ' abused by a lot of parents and teachers with drugs .

Michael Savage has a reason for writing his book about Healing Children Naturally without drugs that cause all kinds of side affects .

He had a younger brother who at the age of 5 was put into a mental home for not speaking and died there in his 20s . He thinks the drugs and medical profession in that place did not help him but may have contributed to his death is how I understand it .

All the school shootings, including the last one were done by kids on these same kinds of drugs since childhood . It also stunts their growth and other terriber side affects, like depression ,etc.

He is a conservative and that is why he s being attacked .

He has done alot for his country and fights for borders, culture and language .

To to turn around his defense of kids and say he has insulted them is wrong . 99% is not calling all kids brats . Just most and he said this in heat of subject .

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I'd give my life to get my son back from his post-immunization borderline-autism.

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You and a whole lot more. My parents wanted their "original" daughter back before I had my head injury. They said I was never the same. There's medical proof and definatly school recordings to prove it....but it was ignored way back then.

It's real and it is serious and I want you to fight every inch of the way.....but there are people who abuse the system and doctors who are eager to fit the round peg in the square hole to get out of it. (Atleast from the legal standpoint.)

I for one understand your frustration.....you are like the real rape victim who has their stand diminished by one who wasn't.

You just don't shoot the messenger for pointing out the problem. I seriously believe Michael Savage just pointed out the abuse of it. In all seriousness.....is there a kid out there today that doesn't have some serious behavioral problem? Feel confused, exhibit outbursts of emotion? Hey, your bi-polar.....not simply a NORMAL teenager. If you are a kid and don't do exactly as you are told....you have ADD!

Question anything and you are a terriorist. Disagree and you are a racist.

People who deal with it know the difference. You obviously know what the real deal is and are angry. Don't blame you. Keep fighting.

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Not to speak of all the kids whos mind is being blown by the pushers .

Everyone of the child school shooters were on some kind of drug given by their own parents !! mainly to shut them up so they and the teachers could " come a long way baby' and "have it all ' . Well we'r finding out that we can't have it all ,baby.

Trading our kids for posessions in some cases . Some kids hit the nursery before they are out of the hospital good. Cared for by others who make $6 an hour . Dog kennel attendants get better pay then that !

If women still learned to cook, take care of a man our kids wouldn't be in this sad shape they are today . But there aren't any women home to do these things ,thanks to the fems now they have to work ,never should have let them vote !. They have the sex lives of wild animals now, no wonder their idols are Britany Spears and Paris Hilton .

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What?????? Oh brother, here comes the "blame women for everthing" crowd. I hope you're not married 'cause I feel sorry for yuor wife! I'm a proud feminist but I am not a radical feminist. I don't hate men but I do believe in equal opportunity and fair pay. Maybe YOU would rather us go back to a time when women were treated like property and weren't even allowed to vote. Sorry, NOT me!!! No doubt you feel the same way about Black people too.

Believe it or not, I read somewhere that the tide is changing in terms of more women deciding to stay home and raise their children rather than continuing their careers. But it's all an individual's choice and their right to decide. However, many families today simply cannot survive on one paycheck so both parents have to work.

You know, raising a family is a two way street. While I believe motherhood is the most important job a woman will ever have, I also believe that a man should be held just as responsible in raising their kids.
Children need BOTH parents involved in their lives so don't use that lame excuse that it's all the woman's fault.

What's interesting to note is that the countries who share your attitude about women, and prevent them working, getting an education or voting, end up looking like Afghanistan.

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I am a woman and have a husband, middle aged kids and 11 grandkids .

I'm old enough to remember when most women were stay at home wives and mothers . I also know a little about history . When their were plenty of jobs for the men because women weren't out saturating the job markets because some feminist told them they were mistreated .These fems caused all the gender confusion and pushed others women out the door to work .

From this came divorce, single mothers, and men disrespecting women . Kids planted in nurserys like seeds to be cared for by strangers . Morals flew out the door and so did morals . our kids are in bad shape now, epidemics of STDs,depresion, and violence .

I have an opinion too ,even if it's just about as popular as saving this nation that long ago left God and family values .

I use to love it when boys fought over who would open my door for me.

This naion NEVER WAS LIKE AFGANISTAN ,onlt a fool could even think like that . We never killed our women .

Also I am from a very long line of freedom fighters ! I just don't think victimhood helps a race to advance . Me nor my ancesters owned a slave, but many blacks ancesters did along with whites . We didn't invent slavery but we are the only ones to ever abolish it !

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I am a woman and have a husband, middle aged kids and 11 grandkids .


I'm old enough to remember when most women were stay at home wives and mothers . I also know a little about history . When their were plenty of jobs for the men because women weren't out saturating the job markets because some feminist told them they were mistreated .These fems caused all the gender confusion and pushed others women out the door to work .

From this came divorce, single mothers, and men disrespecting women . Kids planted in nurserys like seeds to be cared for by strangers . Morals flew out the door and so did morals . our kids are in bad shape now, epidemics of STDs,depresion, and violence .

I have an opinion too ,even if it's just about as popular as saving this nation that long ago left God and family values .

I use to love it when boys fought over who would open my door for me.

This naion NEVER WAS LIKE AFGANISTAN ,onlt a fool could even think like that . We never killed our women .

Also I am from a very long line of freedom fighters ! I just don't think victimhood helps a race to advance . Me nor my ancesters owned a slave, but many blacks ancesters did along with whites . We didn't invent slavery but we are the only ones to ever abolish it !

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Wow, I don't know how we got so sidetracked by this!


I have to say NoAmnesty that from the onset, I kind of surmised you were a women but after I read your recent post I thought I was mistaken - which makes it even more disheartening to read that you feel this way about your own gender!!Â*Â*Â*Â* But I sort of understand why you feel the way you do. It seems to be a generational thing as I had an aunt who felt the same way too.


If I came off a bit defensive about this issue it’s because I grew up in the 70’s and when I was a kid, I was always told by boys what I could and could not do simply because I was female. I thought it was so unfair that boys could be and do whatever they dreamed of, while us girls were never allowed to have such dreams unless of course it involved an Easy Bake oven!.


See, I wanted to be an astronaut! (this was before Sally Ride!) Anyway, I remember playing wiffleball and I was up at bat and this boy who was the pitcher told me I shouldn’t be allowed to play. He said I belonged in the kitchen! Well, I was just 10 years old but he really got my blood boiling. The first pitch he threw to me I connected and hit a line shot right between his eyes! I said, “Not bad for a girl huh?â€

Chloe , Thank you for the reply .

When I said freedom fighters, I meant my white family who were fighting for the equality of all men no matter color or race . We whites didn't need any freedom fighters because we were all free , unlike today .

I still think we women had it made until we demanded 'equal rights' . It wasn't perfect ,but better than what we have now . Our children are dying from all kinds of effects put on them in this new society . Black and white .

We are divided now and our culture is history .

I will come back to this later .

The thing about M.Savage is he is treated like we ae here at ALIPAC , his words turned around and taken out of context .

I had a kid that was abnoraml until she was 4 . They wanted to put her on Valuim . I said no way is my 2 yr. old going on drugs . When she turned almost 5 she was normal as the rest . I had 2 grandids who were born brats too, but they changed into great kids with just a little loving attention and a few good ass whippings or switchings .