Thread: Minutemen At ACLU Meeting for Illegal Aliens in Costa Mesa

Minutemen At ACLU Meeting for Illegal Aliens in Costa Mesa

Due to some excellent recon by Minuteman (name deleted), a group of Minutemen, led by Jim Gilchist, attended a meeting organized by the ACLU to encourage illegal aliens to protest the Mayor Mansoor’s plan to have the city police coordinate with ICE.

The meeting was lead by female attorney from the ACLU, Benito Acosta, recently arrested at the Cost Mesa City Council meeting, and John Earl a Huntington Beach “Socialist” who apparently did not get the memo from Stalin that the whole thing did not work out after all. Earl also co-operated with John Campbell in a smear campaign ageist Jim Gilchrist during the recent special election.

Approximately 1/3 of the attendees were Minutemen. They moved to the rear of the room at the request of Benito, to better accommodate local residents who had brought children. Earl and Acosta were very surprised and agitated to see the Minutemen and a tense meeting was held outside.

The meeting, which was held in Spanish, began with a general explanation of immigration law in the United States. Several of the Minutemen present speak Spanish. One interpreted for the rest. There were complaints that the translating was “disruptive.” This, from the same groups who refuse to speck English at City Council Meetings and insist on translators.

It was explained that while it was illegal to cross into the United States it was not a violation to be here. Special order 40 was lauded. The very small number of officers enforcing immigration was noted. It was noted the police of the City of Costa Mesa currently have no authority to enforce immigration law.

The Memorandum of Understanding proposed between the City of Costa Mesa and ICE was explained.

While there was no actual encouragement to actually break the law, there was much talk of how people would be afraid to co-operate with the police. It was stated the law would lead to poor relations between the police and the immigrant community and racial profiling. Domestic violence was mentioned several times.

The costs were described as being very high. No estimates were produced, either of the costs of the program or of possible offsets.

No connection was made as to why the police would randomly pull people over, as just being in the US illegally is not a criminal violation. This would seem akin to pulling someone over for doing the speed limit. There was no explanation as to where this new authority would come from as neither the local police nor ICE has it now.

The people were encouraged to “let their voice be heard.” Street protesting was encouraged. Flyers were passed out with the information for the City Council Meeting. People were encouraged to attend and speak. The flyers also had contact information for the Mayor and City Council Members, and again, they were urged to “let their voice be heard.” Entering the country legally, becoming a citizen and letting their voice be heard though voting was not mentioned as an option.







Gilchrist and 30 Year Costa Mesa Resident

I bet Benito Acosta's face would have curdled milk!

WAY TO GO MINUTEMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The ACLU is now the ANTI-American Civil Liberties Union just as the SPLC is now the Southern PREPOSTEROUS Law Center! What a bunch of traitors and low lives!

John Earl's Website

http://www.ocorganizer.com/

Bennie gets arrested

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=531

No connection was made as to why the police would randomly pull people over, as just being in the US illegally is not a criminal violation. This would seem akin to pulling someone over for doing the speed limit. There was no explanation as to where this new authority would come from as neither the local police nor ICE has it now.

Now this is something that I really need an explanation on. HOW IS IT THE LAW IS NOT ENFORCEABLE - EVEN BY ICE??

shouldnt we sue the AClU for discrimination for having a meeting in spanish ? for not providing interpretors free of charge paid for by the AClU?
amazing how one sided it always is

GO MINUTE MEN!

Times like this I wish I did not speak Spanish because it really upsets
me to read all that garbage they had printed in those posters.
Amazing if I am stopped by a police officer I would tell him my whole
life story if it would help me and here this people are being told they only
need to say their name, show their driver's license & insurance.
But if they do have a driver's license & insurance, it most likely was
bought in downtown L.A. for about 100 bucks, if that much.

http://www.ocorganizer.com/

Community Rally
Stop the Corona-Mansoor Police-Migra Plan

* No Cooperatoin with the Costa Mesa Police
* No Deportations of Our Families
* All Against the Minutemen
* All For Visas

Saturday, April 1st
10:100 A.M.
City Hall of Costa Mesa
77 Fair Dr. and Fairview Ave.(corner of Fairview Ave)

Sponsored by Citizens for Constitutional Rights. More info: (714) 541-0250

Originally Posted by DcSA

No connection was made as to why the police would randomly pull people over, as just being in the US illegally is not a criminal violation. This would seem akin to pulling someone over for doing the speed limit. There was no explanation as to where this new authority would come from as neither the local police nor ICE has it now.

Now this is something that I really need an explanation on. HOW IS IT THE LAW IS NOT ENFORCEABLE - EVEN BY ICE??

There is a lot of chatter over HR 4437 on some of the Hispanic forum web sites that the law will allow police to basically stop anybody and ask for "papers" and the people in Costa Mesa are also saying this. HR 4437 does not say this and police, local or federal, can't randomly stop people. You have to have probably cause that a crime has been committed before stopping someone. It is my understanding that local law enforcement's involvement will consist of making an inquiry into a persons citizenship only after they have been arrested for another violation.

In other words, the police can not and will not be stopping people to check their citizenship status. But if an illegal alien gets picked up for DWI, shoplifting, etc., that arrest opens up the local law enforcement to check on their citizenship status.

Way to go Jim Gilchrist and the Minutemen! I bet Acosta never expected to see them there. And I'm so sad to hear that the translating INTO ENGLISH was disruptive to the proceedings. I can't imagine what that must be like for them.

Babelfish translation of the front of that flyer...

--snip--

sus derechos caminando

en primer lugar, siempre pregunte a los agentes o la policia si usted es libre a irse. si dicen que si, usted tiene todo el derecho a mantenerse en silencio e irse. si no quiere hablar con los agentes o la policia. les puede dar la tarjeta de derechos y puede irse. tiene el derecho absoluto de no contestar preguntas que se le hagan.

si los agentes o la policia dicen que usted no puede irse, debe de daries su nombre. usted no tiene que dar cualquiera otra informacion, como su estado de inmigracion.

its walking rights

in the first place, always it asks the agents or the policia if you are free to go away. if they say that if, you have all the right to stay in silence and to go away. if it does not want to speak with the agents or the policia. it can give the card them of rights and can go away. it has the absolute right of not answering questions that are done to him.

if the agents or the policia say that you cannot go away, she must of daries its name. you do not have to give any other information, like your state of immigration

sus derechos en su hogar

Usted no tiene que abrir la puerta a ningun agente de inmingracion o oficial de la policia al menos de que tengan un orden de registro.

Si usted no quiere permitir que un agente u oficial de la policia entre a su casa, no abra la puerta. pregunte al agente u oficia por la puerta si ellos tienen un orden de registro permitiendoles a inspeccionar su hogar. usted tiene el derecho de revisar la orden.

si vive en la casa de otra persona, aun no tiene que abrir la puerta al menos de que los agentes o la policia tengan un orden de inspeccion del juzgado.

its rights in its home

You do not have to open to the door to ningun agent of inmingracion or official of the policia at least of which they have a registry order.

If you do not want to allow that an agent or official of the policia between a its house, does not open the door. ask the agent or you celebrate by the door if they have a registry order allowing them to inspect their home. you have the right to review the order.

if it lives in the house of another person, it does not even have to open the door at least of which the agents or the policia have an order of inspection of the court.

sus derechos en su auto

si los agentes de inmigracion o la policia senalan que pare su auto. usted tiene que pararse.

los agentes de inmigracion pueden hacer preguntas breves sobre su nombre, su estado de inmigracioin, su nacionalidad, y sus planes de viaje. usted no tiene que contestar ninguna otra pregunta a parte de su nombre.

los oficiales de la policia pueden pedir su nombre, su licencia de conducir y el registro de su vehiculo. debe de demostrar estos documentos si los tiene. no tiene que contestar cualesquiera otras preguntas.

si un agente o un oficial pide revisar su auto, puede negarie su permiso.

si un agente u oficial intenta hacerle preguntas a un pasajero, la persona debe de preguntar si tiene que contestar. si el agente u oficial dice que si, el pasajero tiene que dar su nombre pero no tiene que dar cualquiera otra informacion. el oficial puede pedir que usted y su pasajero se bajen del auto.

its rights in its car

if the agents of immigration or the policia senalan that she stops his car. you must stop yourself.

the immigration agents can make brief questions on their name, its state of inmigracioin, its nationality, and its plans of trip. you do not have to answer no other question part of your name.

the officials of the policia can request their name, its license to lead and the registry of his vehiculo. he must demonstrate these documents if he has them. he does not have to answer any other questions.

if an agent or an official requests to review his car, can negarie his permission.

if an agent or official try to do questions to him to a passenger, the person must ask if she must answer. if the agent or official say that if, the passenger must give his name but he does not have to give any other information. the official can request that you and their passenger lowers of the car.