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    ESCONDIDO, CA : Council stifles Diaz attempt to condemn Ariz



    ESCONDIDO, CA
    Council stifles Diaz attempt to condemn Arizona law


    Obscure policy used to avoid polarizing debate

    By DAVID GARRICK - dgarrick@nctimes.com |
    Posted: May 19, 2010 9:42 pm


    Dozens of boisterous people on both sides of the illegal immigration debate left Escondido City Hall frustrated Wednesday night after the City Council voted 3-2 against debating Arizona's aggressive new immigration law.

    Councilwoman Olga Diaz wanted to pass a resolution condemning Arizona's law, which requires law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there's reason to suspect they're in the country illegally.

    Diaz said the resolution was an opportunity to repair Escondido's reputation as a "racist" city, which stems from a 2006 attempt to prohibit landlords from renting to illegal immigrants and some related legislative initiatives.

    But three of her colleagues, who said last week they were worried that debating the issue would polarize Escondido, decided Wednesday that such a debate would violate an obscure city policy prohibiting the council from tackling legislation that doesn't affect city business.

    And because the item was pulled from the council agenda, supporters and opponents were not allowed to say their piece. However, a few speakers addressed the issue near the end of the meeting during the general comments section.

    Diaz criticized the council's decision and vowed to get her message out some other way. After the meeting, she posted some comments at olgadiaz.com and said she would submit opinion pieces to local newspapers.

    Councilman Sam Abed, who supports Arizona's new law, sided with Diaz anyway based on contentions that the council was violating Diaz's free speech rights.

    "You are denying a council member the right to put an item on the agenda and have it discussed," said Abed, who called the move unprecedented.

    Abed and Diaz suggested that council members Dick Daniels and Marie Waldron, who are running for election in November, may have voted to quash the debate for political reasons. But Daniels and Waldron said they felt obligated to abide by the policy, which was passed in May 2007.

    The key passage of the policy says, "For the purpose of efficiently focusing only on matters affecting the city, the council shall not consider any resolution, motion or matter which does not affect the conduct of the business of the city."

    Daniels, who said he supports Arizona's right to make its own laws, said the policy was very clear about items like the Diaz resolution. He also noted that the resolution had no chance to pass because every council member but Diaz had publicly expressed opposition.

    Waldron said it would be hypocritical for her to combine her support for aggressive enforcement of immigration laws with flouting a clearly written city policy. She said the city could change the policy, but that it would be wrong to just violate it.

    The council discussed the issue for 10 minutes after deciding not to debate it, during which the restless crowd expressed anger, disappointment and frustration.

    Jack DeTate said the council should have debated the resolution because the city is already polarized and needs to come together somewhat on immigration.

    "People are taking positions on far ends of the spectrum instead of saying what should be done to make things better," DeTate said.

    Mary Calgaro, who was carrying a "Way to Go Arizona" sign, said the issue is going to come up sooner or later so the council should have addressed it Wednesday.

    Jim Hundley, who opposed Diaz's resolution, said debating it Wednesday would have allowed the city to move forward.

    "We should have gotten this over with, because Olga's just going to deal with it elsewhere," he said.

    The residents who spoke near the end of the meeting were divided roughly equally on the issue.

    Paul McNamara said the city must address the reality that illegal immigrants are here, contending that city attempts to deal with the issue have hurt Escondido's reputation and damaged its business community.

    Consuelo Martinez said the resolution would have helped heal Escondido from past attempts at racist legislation.

    "There is an apology that is owed to the community," she said. "The community has not forgotten."

    But Diane Snyder and Suzanne Southwell complained about illegal immigrants sneaking into the country and stressed that our government has no obligation to help them.

    Diaz also spoke at the end of the meeting.

    "Anyone who places value on personal liberty should be profoundly troubled by the text of this law," she said, referring to the Arizona legislation. "This approach carelessly erodes constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, allowing the use of the law as a weapon."

    Call staff writer David Garrick at 760-740-5468

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    good good good.

    serves that open border loving Diaz right

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    Is there no law these open border hacks won't abide? Not even their own law governing their own city business?

    "This approach carelessly erodes constitutional rights of U.S. citizens, allowing the use of the law as a weapon."
    What does this mean in English?

    Hey Diaz, if you want to influence law in Arizona, move there.

    Hey Diaz, if you don't like the US Constitution and have no respect for the 9th and 10th Amendments of the US Constitution and the rights of states from inception of our country to control immigration into their state, then you should travel globally until you find a country with a Constitution that suits you and reside there.

    Hey Diaz, US law is not a "weapon". It's a rule, established by the majority to govern the affairs of the people of the United States as required by a government of the people, by the people and for the people of the United States, not Mexicans, not Guatemalans, not Chinese, not Iranians. US law is to form, establish, insure, provide, promote and secure the best interests of the American People, not illegal aliens, not foreign nationals, not citizens of other countries, but "ourselves and our posterity".

    See? Here it is right there in the Preamble to the US Constitution:

    US Constitution
    Preamble

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    Maybe you and your police officer husband ought to read it and then read it again and then again as many times as you need to until you get it.
    A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation - Ronald Reagan
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    So when is an illegal immigrant a race?
    You cannot dedicate yourself to America unless you become in every
    respect and with every purpose of your will thoroughly Americans. You
    cannot become thoroughly Americans if you think of yourselves in groups. President Woodrow Wilson

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    "There is an apology that is owed to the community," she said. "The community has not forgotten."
    Which community would that be? The taxpaying community who are being ripped off by illegal aliens or the illegal community who do not have permission to be here?
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    Escondido rejects bid to decry immigration law

    By Angela Lau, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
    Thursday, May 20, 2010 at 12:29 a.m.

    ESCONDIDO — An attempt Wednesday by an Escondido city councilwoman to renounce Arizona’s recent immigration law opened old wounds that stemmed from the city’s previous efforts to ban landlords from renting to illegal immigrants.

    The council voted 3-2 to quash Councilwoman Olga Diaz’s attempt to bring up the topic, with Diaz receiving support from Councilman Sam Abed.

    The vote touched off a shouting match in the overflow audience of about 200, already agitated by the council debate leading to the vote, during which supporters of the Arizona law applauded comments they liked, and opponents booed.

    When Diaz questioned why her request to discuss her opposition to the law was denied, Doug Clack of Escondido shouted from the audience at Diaz: “Don’t you understand English?â€
    NO AMNESTY

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    Once--

    Once an Hispanic always an Hispanic. It trumps American citizenship. The beast has lain dormant in the minds of those of Hispanic blood. It is fueled by the ignorance of the majority of blacks in this country, who, in spite of suffering the greatest job loss due to the invasion, continue to conflate an illegal invasion with the subject of slavery. An unwillingness to leave the past as the past pervades our elected black politicians.They raise the grim specter of racism almost every day.

    Our white youth sit and pose callow, specious aphorisms inviting second class citizenship for themselves and , unfortunately for the rest of us. They sit in the halls of academe and in their infinite wisdom, they tell us how wrong we are and have always been. They seek an Eden that can never exist because it is a dream of a world that never was and never will be as long as man existed and exists. There will never be a world where some people are not guilty of the Seven Deadly Sins.

    We then sit and watch the President, our president, as the President of a foreign country demeans America, Our America, my America. A President whose own country's standards has the strictest code of immigration in the western hemisphere.

    Why do we sit and listen?? For the same reasons listed above. A population of welfare minded, Zinn educated advocates who cannot see the Law of Unintended Consequences they release on themselves and their future.

    God bless and save America..

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