Thread: All out war against McCain.

I'm in. McCain still can't accept the fact that his amnesty bill was terrible, and was rightfully rejected by the overwhelming majority of Americans -- along with his long and continuing support of amnesty.

Even if McCain wins NH with his liberal MSM & Fox backing, please keep in mind the race is FAR from over and hopefully more primary voters will realize what a phony conservative & typical Washington insider he is.

McCain wanted everyone to pay 5,000 for citizenship. All the forgerers, phoney id carriers, false social security card holders, and every other criminal was going to be "FORGIVEN", WITH ALL BENEFITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND BACK WAGES TO BE PROVIDED TO ILLEGAL ALIENS when they paid their fines for being in the country illegally!


It was a $5000 dollar application processing fee certainly not a fine or penalty!

Originally Posted by ICEChargerRT

McCain wanted everyone to pay 5,000 for citizenship. All the forgerers, phoney id carriers, false social security card holders, and every other criminal was going to be "FORGIVEN", WITH ALL BENEFITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND BACK WAGES TO BE PROVIDED TO ILLEGAL ALIENS when they paid their fines for being in the country illegally!


It was a $5000 dollar application processing fee certainly not a fine or penalty!

Don't forget the 'No Felon Left Behind' provision that would have granted a Z visa to all gang members who signed a piece of paper proclaiming that they were no longer in a gang.

Originally Posted by camilleinchicago

Originally Posted by ICEChargerRT

McCain wanted everyone to pay 5,000 for citizenship. All the forgerers, phoney id carriers, false social security card holders, and every other criminal was going to be "FORGIVEN", WITH ALL BENEFITS OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND BACK WAGES TO BE PROVIDED TO ILLEGAL ALIENS when they paid their fines for being in the country illegally!


It was a $5000 dollar application processing fee certainly not a fine or penalty!

Don't forget the 'No Felon Left Behind' provision that would have granted a Z visa to all gang members who signed a piece of paper proclaiming that they were no longer in a gang.

Romney brought up the z visa last night in the debate!!

Spread this around: McCain admitted last night once again (along with Giuliani) that he still believes in massive amnesty. Excerpts below:

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Union Leader
Romney, McCain clash on illegal immigration
By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter

On immigration
Questioned about an issue that he had admitted hurt him politically earlier in the campaign, McCain said he has not changed his basic beliefs on illegal immigration -- comments that drew fire from Romney.

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Giuliani said illegal immigrants should "come forward and get ID cards." He said those who do not should be thrown out and cited a precedent set by a Republican icon.

"Ronald Reagan did amnesty. I think he'd be in one of Mitt's negative commercials. Ronald Reagan gave amnesty. Straight-out amnesty," Giuliani said.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx ... 92481f81de

Radio talk shows, campaign offices, Republican National Comitte office. Town hall meetings.

Give them hell!!!!!

McCain and Guiliani FAVOR AMNESTY!!! and then they lie about it.

And here's what Tancredo is saying:

"I have to be honest. I felt great about no longer being a candidate every moment until the immigration debate came up tonight," said Tancredo who was in the debate spin room for Mitt Romney. "John McCain is the most dangerous candidate out there."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/politi ... nt_ta.html

Here are some good pts to counter McCain's spinning & lying. From The Corner in the National Review:

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Saturday, January 05, 2008

More on Immigration [Ramesh Ponnuru]

McCain says you can trust him on immigration because he now understands that enforcement has to come first. Border-state governors would have to certify that the border is secure before any "path to citizenship" (what the critics call "amnesty") or guest-worker program begins. But if people can still come here legally and overstay their visas, and work for employers without either party facing serious sanctions, then "the border" could be "secure" without the flow of illegal immigration dropping. The McCain promise doesn't seem to add up to much.

He defends the guest-worker program—he defended it today in Peterborough—by saying that the Department of Labor would have to certify that employers had invited Americans to apply for jobs before seeking guest workers from abroad. Again, the certification seems like a dodge. The concern of critics is that employers are using immigrant labor to undercut the wages of Americans. If they advertise jobs at wages below those Americans will take, they can get their certification and nothing important will have changed.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... NlYTJmMmY=

bttt

This is from Hugh Hewitt, blowing McCain's "it's not amnesty" nonsense out of the water:
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John McCain argued in the debate last night [1/5], and again with Tim Russert this morning [1/6], that his plan wasn't amnesty because illegals had to pay a fine of $5,000.

This argument is wholly unpersuasive for two reasons.

First, if by paying a sum of $5,000 you earn a future benefit stream from Social Security, that's not a fine. It's an annuity.

Second, would John McCain argue it wasn't an amnesty if the "fine" was $1? $500? $2,000?

Most Americans looked at the $5,000 number and laughed, realizing that many thousands of employers would gladly pay that amount in a bonus to keep their worker, or that family and friends would cobble together the funds. It wasn't a penalty. It was camouflage.

Some spin from last night's debate [1/5] is that Romney got pummeled, and indeed he took shot after shot but he parried almost all of them and stood his ground. None of his supporters would switched their votes last night, and some undecideds had to have liked the command of the issues and the poise under fire.

John McCain positively lost support last night and again this morning [1/6]on Meet The Press beacuse he's back attempting to defend the indefensible in the eyes of the GOP base: McCain-Kennedy. In doing so John McCain is revealed as the old John McCain, impervious to criticism, indifferent to facts, angry at the impertinence of any who would question his judgment.

And unrepentant about McCain-Kennedy. And unelectable as a result.