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    Americans being spanked into accepting Hispanicization of US

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/03/18/n ... tml?hpt=T2

    Is America becoming a Hispanic country?
    By Ruben Navarrette Jr., CNN Contributor
    March 18, 2011 10:15 a.m. EDT

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Ruben Navarrette says census data show U.S. Hispanic population up dramatically
    He says when all numbers come in, Hispanics should show as 17% of U.S. population
    Hispanics will define media, politics, arts, he says; this threatens some who slam immigration
    Navarrette: Hispanics have positive impact; Americans must not discriminate
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    Editor's note: Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a CNN.com contributor, a nationally syndicated columnist and an NPR commentator.
    (CNN) -- The United States is becoming an Hispanic country. And it's happening much faster than anyone expected.
    According to an analysis of newly released 2010 U.S. Census data by the Pew Hispanic Center, the Hispanic population in the United States is growing more quickly and more dramatically than demographers had estimated.
    In the 33 states for which data has been released so far, there are almost 600,000 more Hispanics than previously thought. Twenty-eight states had more Hispanics than expected. And, while the current count is 38.7 million Hispanics, there is still data coming from 17 states, making it likely that the final figure could surpass 55 million, or 17% of the U.S. population.
    What is really interesting is that this "Hispanicization" of America is most noticeable in states that are not typically thought of as being places where Hispanics live.
    The real story isn't what's happening in Texas, California, Florida or New York, which have long been home to significant numbers of Hispanics. It's about the demographic changes in states such as Alabama, Louisiana, Kansas and Maryland, where Hispanics are a relatively new commodity -- and the accommodations that have to be made between new arrivals and longtime residents.
    One day soon, Hispanics will help define the worlds of media, politics, commerce, fashion, music, entertainment, sports and science. There will be no turning back.
    But you knew that already. Maybe your first hint was the Latina models on magazine covers. Or that salsa is more popular than ketchup. Or the Spanish-language billboards you see on rural highways. Or that some members of Congress gather weekly for Spanish lessons.
    Or maybe you figured out that the Hispanic population in the United States was exploding when you saw the quixotic efforts of some to stop the trend by cracking down on illegal immigration and -- for an encore -- trying to limit legal immigration as well.
    Most immigrants to the United States, legal and illegal, come from Mexico and the rest of Latin America. But in states such as Arizona, Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, you also have Hispanic families that can trace their American roots back hundreds of years.
    Still, for many Americans, changing demographics isn't cause for celebration. Rather, it's cause for alarm. It brings a sense of fear, anxiety and desperation. They know enough to know that the country in which they grew up is changing, and they'll do whatever they can to reverse those changes and return the cultural landscape to what it used to be.
    In fact, Hispanics have become so accustomed to this sort of reaction that I know many of them who actually dread the census and all the related media coverage. Every 10 years, there is the possibility of a backlash. For Hispanics, being counted is a mixed bag. They gain numbers and prominence, but they also have to contend with resistance and hostility from those who feel threatened.
    This partly explains what happened in Arizona, where a surging Hispanic population so panicked the state's residents that they began pushing lawmakers to pass immigration-related bills aimed at making the state less hospitable to illegal immigrants. This wasn't about reaffirming the rule of law. It was about returning Arizona to what it looked like 50 or 60 years ago, when the number of Hispanics in the state was much smaller than it is now.
    It seems to have worked. The analysis of census data done by the Hispanic Pew Center shows that in Arizona, the number of Hispanics came in at 1.9 million, or 180,000 fewer than expected.
    But many of those immigrants had simply moved on to other states. This approach would not be much of a national strategy; besides, who is to say that many of those people won't return to Arizona when the economy improves or some of these excessively punitive laws are dismantled.
    Ultimately, you can't fight demographics. Hispanics are already here, and most of them aren't going anywhere. Instead of wishing otherwise, Americans would be better off accepting this new reality. While they're at it, they should acknowledge the positive impact to their communities and their country of having a growing population of people who are, by nature, conservative, hardworking, optimistic, patriotic and entrepreneurial. Hispanics aren't a threat to the United States; they're an essential component.
    Visit any military cemetery in the United States and count the Spanish surnames. You'll see that Hispanics have already contributed so much to this country. And, in the decades to come, they and their children stand ready to contribute so much more -- if we put aside our prejudice and let them. That's the path to a better country.
    The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Ruben Navarrette.

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    Really Ruben is that how it is going to be, really?
    Interesting.
    I'll tell you what with articles like that puffing your ethnocentric view, flexing demographic hegemony muscles all you are doing is galvanizing moderates like me who don't like your arrogance.

    There is ONLY one dominant population here my friend, and it's us Americans, our culture and our language, period. And no we are not just whites. No you will not have Spanish dominance here, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. If some Hispanics don't like it here because they feel more special than all other ethnic groups, they can always move south of the border where there are plenty of countries accommodating their culture and language.
    Enough.

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    uggg another Navarrette Racist column

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    Its funny how we are raciest when all we want is the laws enforced.The hispanics said years ago the will take THEIR COUNTRY back and they are slowly doing it.The goverment might let them try but as people like us just have to keep fighting back keep recruiting members and get our numbers up so we have a voice to when it comes time to vote in who will do the right thing. we have to stand OUR GROUND its not theirs they will see that someday when they see how HARD WE WILL FIGHT THEM BACK.Guys like Ruben i hate he is the one thats raciest against his own country.He should move to mexico he loves them so much.

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    This partly explains what happened in Arizona, where a surging Hispanic population so panicked the state's residents that they began pushing lawmakers to pass immigration-related bills aimed at making the state less hospitable to illegal immigrants. This wasn't about reaffirming the rule of law.


    The hell it is not about reaffirming the rule of law!

    Ruben and his tribe are the lawless ^&*()_+ we are trying to remove!
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    Re: Americans being spanked into accepting Hispanicization o

    Quote Originally Posted by alamb
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/03/18/navarrette.hispanic.census/index.html?hpt=T2

    Is America becoming a Hispanic country?
    By Ruben Navarrette Jr., CNN Contributor
    March 18, 2011 10:15 a.m. EDT

    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Ruben Navarrette says census data show U.S. Hispanic population up dramatically
    He says when all numbers come in, Hispanics should show as 17% of U.S. population
    Hispanics will define media, politics, arts, he says; this threatens some who slam immigration
    Navarrette: Hispanics have positive impact; Americans must not discriminate
    RELATED TOPICS
    Immigration Policy
    Illegal Immigration and Deportation
    Arizona Immigration
    Hispanic and Latino Issues
    U.S. Census
    Editor's note: Ruben Navarrette Jr. is a CNN.com contributor, a nationally syndicated columnist and an NPR commentator.
    (CNN) -- The United States is becoming an Hispanic country. And it's happening much faster than anyone expected.
    According to an analysis of newly released 2010 U.S. Census data by the Pew Hispanic Center, the Hispanic population in the United States is growing more quickly and more dramatically than demographers had estimated.
    In the 33 states for which data has been released so far, there are almost 600,000 more Hispanics than previously thought. Twenty-eight states had more Hispanics than expected. And, while the current count is 38.7 million Hispanics, there is still data coming from 17 states, making it likely that the final figure could surpass 55 million, or 17% of the U.S. population.
    What is really interesting is that this "Hispanicization" of America is most noticeable in states that are not typically thought of as being places where Hispanics live.
    The real story isn't what's happening in Texas, California, Florida or New York, which have long been home to significant numbers of Hispanics. It's about the demographic changes in states such as Alabama, Louisiana, Kansas and Maryland, where Hispanics are a relatively new commodity -- and the accommodations that have to be made between new arrivals and longtime residents.
    One day soon, Hispanics will help define the worlds of media, politics, commerce, fashion, music, entertainment, sports and science. There will be no turning back.
    But you knew that already. Maybe your first hint was the Latina models on magazine covers. Or that salsa is more popular than ketchup. Or the Spanish-language billboards you see on rural highways. Or that some members of Congress gather weekly for Spanish lessons.
    Or maybe you figured out that the Hispanic population in the United States was exploding when you saw the quixotic efforts of some to stop the trend by cracking down on illegal immigration and -- for an encore -- trying to limit legal immigration as well.
    Most immigrants to the United States, legal and illegal, come from Mexico and the rest of Latin America. But in states such as Arizona, Texas, Colorado and New Mexico, you also have Hispanic families that can trace their American roots back hundreds of years.
    Still, for many Americans, changing demographics isn't cause for celebration. Rather, it's cause for alarm. It brings a sense of fear, anxiety and desperation. They know enough to know that the country in which they grew up is changing, and they'll do whatever they can to reverse those changes and return the cultural landscape to what it used to be.
    In fact, Hispanics have become so accustomed to this sort of reaction that I know many of them who actually dread the census and all the related media coverage. Every 10 years, there is the possibility of a backlash. For Hispanics, being counted is a mixed bag. They gain numbers and prominence, but they also have to contend with resistance and hostility from those who feel threatened.
    This partly explains what happened in Arizona, where a surging Hispanic population so panicked the state's residents that they began pushing lawmakers to pass immigration-related bills aimed at making the state less hospitable to illegal immigrants. This wasn't about reaffirming the rule of law. It was about returning Arizona to what it looked like 50 or 60 years ago, when the number of Hispanics in the state was much smaller than it is now.
    It seems to have worked. The analysis of census data done by the Hispanic Pew Center shows that in Arizona, the number of Hispanics came in at 1.9 million, or 180,000 fewer than expected.
    But many of those immigrants had simply moved on to other states. This approach would not be much of a national strategy; besides, who is to say that many of those people won't return to Arizona when the economy improves or some of these excessively punitive laws are dismantled.
    Ultimately, you can't fight demographics. Hispanics are already here, and most of them aren't going anywhere. Instead of wishing otherwise, Americans would be better off accepting this new reality. While they're at it, they should acknowledge the positive impact to their communities and their country of having a growing population of people who are, by nature, conservative, hardworking, optimistic, patriotic and entrepreneurial. Hispanics aren't a threat to the United States; they're an essential component.
    Visit any military cemetery in the United States and count the Spanish surnames. You'll see that Hispanics have already contributed so much to this country. And, in the decades to come, they and their children stand ready to contribute so much more -- if we put aside our prejudice and let them. That's the path to a better country.
    The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Ruben Navarrette.
    Really Ruben? It seems to me that the illegal immigration policy you're touting is racist and unconstitutional. If all illegal aliens aren't required to leave the US and our borders secured so that no more illegal aliens from any country enter the US and the illegal aliens already here aren't required to leave in accordance with US law, then under the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, because 76% of this immigration is from one ethnic group, our nation has no choice but to equalize this race-based discrimination with OTH's, "Other Than Hispanics", which means we close the doors on Hispanics and open them fully to all other race groups, man for man, woman for woman, child for child.

    See Ruben if we have 20 million illegal aliens in the US who have been afforded special treatment, privilege and consideration under the law to remain in the US in violation of US immigration law and 76% of them are Hispanics, then we have no choice but to invite 15 million illegal aliens from Asia, 15 million from Africa and 15 million from Europe to offset this horrific race-based illegal immigration policy.

    That is what the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution means, Ruben, when it guaranteed all persons in the US equal protection under the law. See Ruben, you can't use violations of law to create a new race-based largest minority in the United States because that will disempower and disenfranchise the very minority group the 14th Amendment was passed to protect.

    You can't use violations of law to create a special class of people based on race or ethnicity in the United States who think they are above the law and by their illegal numbers able to influence and impact our government, political base, demographics, entitlements, services, labor, business or civil rights, because preventing such was the entire purpose of the 14th Amendment, not that we'd expect a racist like you to understand the 14th Amendment, let alone abide it.

    The 14th Amendment guarantees the American People that racists like you and your ilk never again try to rule our country. It's way past time all Americans learn and accept that fact and stand tall to defend our nation's citizens against racism and its special treatment, by all means necessary, whatever it takes.
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    Judy I could have not said that any better.

    Hope you e-mailed that to ole'taco Ruben
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    Judy, totally agree with you we definitely need to re-balance this with immigration from Europe, Asia and Africa. We need to stop this ethnocentric nonsense. This arrogance that comes from some Hispanics is just crazy and so obvious. We Americans are now flexing our American muscles Mr Ruben. Yours is NOT a just cause because yours is about demographic hegemony. Ours is a just cause, it is about America and our values as a people. You see we don't discriminate, at least try not to, against people. You my friend are in our face as if you had already recast our country into another latin american country. How dare you... What people like you should do is to speak for the downtrodden Latinos who deserve our support. We should come together as Americans to help integrate/assimilate Hispanics who genuinely seek America, like the immigrants before them but instead you peddle Hispanic/Latino supremacy. In my mother's tongue "vous n'etes qu'un connard"

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    actually--

    actually it will be the Italians, no, wait, the Irish, no wait, the Germans.

    No wait. It will be the group that is the most American.

    Read Tony Hill's letter to Russell Pearce. He is a substitute teacher in Az.

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/ed ... -3-22-2011

    The demographics of those who steal into our country is most certainly, in the majority, not the brightest. Their artists, (again the majority), use public and private structures for their art (graffiti). Their pharmacists and chemists brew Meth for sale to our kids.

    Some will say that it is not fair to tar them all with same brush nd others will see that that is what they do to us.

    I say deport anyone who is here illegally. Redefine the 14th amendment to its original purpose and let's give jobs back to Americans.

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    I think the U.S.should have a "balance" of various foreign cultures and not ONE foreign culture overshadowing all the others but it's clear that Hispanization is the agenda. Why...who knows...but 10-20-30 years from now...boy, what is the U.S. going to be like for your children and grandchildren? One big enchilada.

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