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    Iowa ag forum displays GOP rift on immigration reform

    Saturday, March 7, 2015
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    DES MOINES, Iowa — The rift over immigration in the emerging Republican presidential field opened up publicly Saturday, as several potential candidates called for enforcement of existing laws while former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and South Carolina Sen. Lindsay Graham said those living in the U.S. illegally should have a path to legal status.

    The policy difference played out at a forum focused on agricultural policy, and will likely remain a key point of debate as the race for the 2016 Republican nomination unfolds. Immigrants are an important part of the workforce in agriculture and food processing in the early caucus state and around the country.

    Bush, Graham and seven other presidential prospects, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, were asked about their views on immigration and other topics by the host of the daylong public forum, Bruce Rastetter, an agribusiness magnate and GOP donor.

    "Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legalized status," Bush said. "No one I know has a plan to round up illegal immigrants and send them back."

    Graham, who helped craft bipartisan immigration legislation that passed the Senate in 2013 but died in the House, said he favored letting some of the estimated 11 million immigrants living in the country illegally stay, if they met certain conditions, like learning English and paying taxes.

    "We need a rational solution to the 11 million, because no Democrat is going to give us everything we want without getting something," the South Carolina Republican said. "But they'll agree with me that crooks are not welcome to stay."

    Christie spoke of broadening the guest worker program as one "piece of an overall approach," but he offered no specifics.

    Huckabee recommended only allowing in immigrants who say they love America, and barring those seeking government dependence. "I think we meet them at the door and say it may not be a good fit."

    Even if immigrants in the U.S. illegally pay taxes, they are ineligible for most federal programs. They cannot legally get food stamps, unemployment benefits, Pell grants or federal student loans. They cannot get Medicaid, except for emergency medical services, and are ineligible for subsidies under President Barack Obama's health law.

    Bush called for restrictions on family immigration to make room for a larger workforce based on legal immigrant labor, which is key to his goal of achieving 4 percent economic growth.

    Bush and Graham's positions are politically risky in Iowa, where conservatives are disproportionately opposed to a path for legal status for those living here illegally.

    "I'm sure there's some support for it, but Iowa Republican caucus-goers don't feel that way," said Chuck Laudner, a former Iowa Republican Party executive director.

    An Associated Press-GfK poll conducted in December showed only 37 percent of Republicans in favor of allowing immigrants who are already in the country illegally to become citizens, a step further than Bush's proposed "permanent legal status."

    Although Bush received no applause from the audience for his remarks, that may not matter, said Republican fundraiser and Bush supporter Doug Gross.

    "He doesn't need a lot of the folks who are going to make that a defining issue," Gross said.

    Saturday's discussion also touched on energy, trade and food policy, with many of the candidates grabbing the opportunity to tout any agricultural or Iowa connection they could.

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    Walker: ‘I’m Not a Supporter Of Amnesty’

    By Joel Gehrke — March 7, 2015

    Governor Scott Walker (R., Wis.) signaled a willingness to challenge potential presidential rivals over immigration policy, saying that, unlike some, he opposes amnesty,

    “I’m not a supporter of amnesty — I know there’s some out there [who do], and I respect their views on that — but I’m not a supporter of amnesty,” Walker said. “What I do believe going forward is that we’ve got to have a legal immigration system to this country that works.” Walker said that that the H2A visa program for foreign agricultural workers needs to be simplified and

    Walker made that comments following appearances from several other presidential hopefuls, including Senator Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who defended the policies he helped negotiate in in the Senate’s Gang of Eight immigration bill, and former Governor Jeb Bush (R., Fla.).

    “Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legalized status,” Bush said when asked about what immigration policies he would support as president. “What we need to do is to make sure people pay fines, that they learn English, that they work, that they don’t receive government assistance, that they earn legalized status over the long haul, that they come out from the shadows so that they can be productive with a provisional work permit. This is the only serious, thoughtful way, I think, to deal with this.”

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    Lots of Republicans find it convenient to forget that Americans used to do agricultural work. Then-president Eisenhower sent a lot of illegals back deep into Mexico, so that growers in Texas, for example, couldn't continue to use illegals to undercut Americans. Lyndon Johnson was among those whom Ike warned about using illegals.

    Ag work has become associated with illegals. That's a problem. Another problem is that illegals have been used so extensively for undercutting Americans that the wages for field work are nowhere near where they would be, had Americans not been displaced.
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    "Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legalized status," Bush said. "No one I know has a plan to round up illegal immigrants and send them back."
    I do! I have a plan!

    Acknowledge and authorize States and Local Law Enforcement, 1.1 million strong, with 800,000 sworn, trained, equipped, paid police officers, who currently have a 15 person per office per year arrest rate according to FBI statistics and obviously also have the time and present capability to arrest, detain and remove 20 million illegal aliens in less than a year, to enforce US immigration law.

    800,000 officers x 2 illegal alien arrests per month = 1.6 million per month x 12 months = 19.2 million plus 1 month of 3 illegal alien arrests + 800,000 = 20,000,000.

    Streamline deportation hearings to a simple matter of do you have documents to be here, if no, then out you go, and hold this hearing within 24 hours of arrest and detainment, and deport within 48 hours thereafter. Create a new alien removal agency within the US Marshall Service that does nothing but remove illegal aliens with deportation orders. Move the 81% from Mexico and Central and South America to the Mexican border by bus or vehicle, have Mexican and Central and South American officials meet and greet, bring their own buses and vehicles and shackles and they transport their citizens from there at their expense. Take the rest to the Consulates and Embassies of their own countries with temporary anklet bracelets, and drop them off with instructions for their removal by their home countries at their expense.

    Anyone who doesn't comply will face sanctions starting with a block of all non-business, non-citizen remittances from the US to those countries as a starter which would of course include foreign aid.
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    “Immigrants that are here need to have a path to legalized status,” Bush said when asked about what immigration policies he would support as president. “What we need to do is to make sure people pay fines, that they learn English, that they work, that they don’t receive government assistance, that they earn legalized status over the long haul, that they come out from the shadows so that they can be productive with a provisional work permit. This is the only serious, thoughtful way, I think, to deal with this.”
    That's not a "serious, thoughtful way, to deal with this". This is a joke, a stab in the back to every American citizen and a knife in the eye to every immigrant to complied with our laws for entry into the United States.

    You're a bigger joke than your brother and father were, Jeb. We're done with being Bushwhacked by your family.
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    “I’m not a supporter of amnesty — I know there’s some out there [who do], and I respect their views on that — but I’m not a supporter of amnesty,” Walker said. “What I do believe going forward is that we’ve got to have a legal immigration system to this country that works.” Walker said that that the H2A visa program for foreign agricultural workers needs to be simplified and
    Wrong answer, Scott. We have a legal immigration system that works. The problem is the federal government is failing to enforce those laws and uphold that system. We don't need H2A simplification. We need higher wages so more Americans can afford to do the work and more equipment and technology to do much of this work, then more Americans can work in more factories at full-time good jobs making the equipment.
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