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    The TV news just announced that 2 Asian males in there 20s have been taken into custody. Unknown if either or both were the shooter.
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    Another Virginia Tech maybe?

    Or he could be pissed about the long waiting times for legal immigrants?

    I feel sorry for the victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    We definitely need more information, I'm seeing accounts but don't know whether the information is premature, conjectural, or accurate at this point.
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    Gunman kills 13, takes 40 people hostage in Binghamton, New York


    24/7 News Network: Breaking News! An armed gunman shot dead at least 13 people and took 40 others hostage at the American Civic Association Building at Binghamton, New York this morning (US Central Time). The gunman reportedly has sophisticated automatic rifle. Security forces have surrounded the building and trying to ascertain the damage and reason behind such madness.

    According to reports from New York, all offices, schools and shops were closed near the area. The Civil Association Building houses the refugees who take shelter in the United States. More than one person could be involved in the shootout.

    According to Fox News, the gunman is 20-year-old and is from Asian origin. It's not known whether he is from India, Pakistan or Afghanistan. All nearby houses were evacuated by the police. Ambulances and Fire Brigades were rushed to the spot. Commandos have taken charge of the operation. Further details are awaited.
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    I seem to recall that the shooter at VTech looked down on the American students as being "hedonistic" (as if he had the right to pass judgement on them).

    As of now, reports are still conflicting.
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    The most recent from Fox, who has had this on all morning. I did hear someone on Fox mention the possibilities, and of course the main one that came up was about frustration in the immigration process. They did not elaborate, as right now, no one knows till victims have been interviewed. Also they think at this time he has shot himself.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512441,00.html

    Several Shot, Dozens of Hostages Taken at Immigration Center in Upstate New York

    Friday, April 03, 2009

    DEVELOPING: A gunman blocked a back door and opened fire at an immigration center in upstate New York Friday, shooting several people and taking dozens more hostage.

    There were reportedly "multiple casualties" in the rampage at the American Civic Association in Binghamton, N.Y., but police declined to say how many.

    Local news reports said that between 13 and 15 were dead.

    WIVT-TV reported that the gunman had killed himself, but that could not immediately be confirmed by authorities.

    New York Gov. David Paterson said some of the victims had died.

    "This is a tragic day for New York," Paterson said. "While the situation is still developing and details are being gathered, we do know that a gunman entered the American Civic Association in Binghamton this morning and that there are fatalities."

    Binghamton Police told FOXNews.com that they couldn't say whether any of the shooting victims were dead and wouldn't give the number shot because it was still "an active scene."

    A local hospital said they were treating at least five shooting victims. The Associated Press reported that at least 6 people were shot and 41 were taken hostage, citing police and media sources.

    The gunman barricaded the rear door of the American Civic Association with his car before entering through the front door, firing his weapon, at about 10:30 a.m. EDT Friday, a law enforcement official told the AP.

    SWAT team officers have surrounded the building but "they do not have it secured," a Binghamton police spokesman told FOXNews.com.

    Later, the spokesman said it would be "hours" before the situation was under control at the immigration center.
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    Binghamton Mayor Matthew Ryan told the Press & Sun Bulletin newspaper that the gunman had a high-powered rifle. The shooter was described by local media as an Asian male in a green jacket.

    Paterson expressed "prayers for the victims and families" and said his staff is monitoring the situation. He has instructed state police to help Binghamton authorities "in any way they can."

    Emergency dispatchers were in contact with some people inside by phone, WBNG-TV reported. The gunman might still be in the building, the station reported.

    Police have locked down a nearby high school and advised local business owners to stay inside.

    People escaped to the basement of the building and more than a dozen people hid in a closet, WBNG reported.

    The FBI sent hostage negotiators and an evidence response team to the scene, said a law enforcement official who was not authorized to speak about details of an ongoing hostage response and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The five with gunshot wounds were at the Wilson Medical Center, one in critical condition, hospital spokeswoman Christina Boyd told FOX News.

    The wounded ranged in age from 20 to their mid-50s, and their conditions ranged from stable to critical, she said.

    Hospital staff were in the process of notifying the families, according to Boyd. None of the victims were identified, and there were extra doctors and nurses there to handle the emergency, she said.

    Apartments and schools in the area have been evacuated or are on lockdown.

    There were classes scheduled Friday at the immigration services center, located in the same town as Binghamton University, part of the State University of New York (SUNY).

    Linda Miller, a spokeswoman at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Binghamton, confirmed that a student from Binghamton University was being treated at the emergency room. Miller said she didn't know the nature of the injuries.

    "We're on full alert anticipating we're going to get additional casualties," Miller said.

    Around 1 p.m., Pennie Kerber, 72, told the AP in a phone call from her home across the street that the scene appeared to be settling down.

    "The cops are all standing around in the front now. They're still all over the roof for sure," she said. "The SWAT shooters that were to the side of the building look like they're not there any more. It looks like it's clearing."

    The area is in a stretch on the west side of the Chenango River in the city of about 45,000 near the Pennsylvania border. Emergency vehicles lined the streets in the neighborhood, a mix of homes and small businesses.

    College student Leslie Shrager told the AP that she and her five housemates were sleeping when police pounded on the front door of their house next door to the shooting scene.

    Officers escorted the six Binghamton University students outside, she said, and that's when they learned of the shooting.

    "One of our housemates thought they heard banging of some kind. But when you're living in downtown Binghamton, it's always noisy," said Shrager, of Slingerlands, an Albany suburb. "Literally two minutes later the cops came and got us out."

    The American Civic Association describes itself as helping immigrants and refugees with counseling, resettlement, citizenship, family reunification and translators.

    It also intervenes with emergencies, including fighting, hunger and homelessness, according to information from the association's Web site.

    U.S. senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York said in a joint statement that "our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. We are monitoring the situation closely and will do everything we can to help."
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    Quote Originally Posted by millere
    The gunman reportedly has sophisticated automatic rifle.
    You can see the gun control propoganda already. If he had a "sophisticated automatic rifle" the Police surrounding him would be dead also.

    He probably has an AR-15 which is a run of the mill semi-automatic small caliber carbine.
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    TV says the gunman is dead and 2 men in custody.
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    The 2 men in custody may or may not have been involved - they could've just looked suspicious. Police are very antsy in these situations - they made the Columbine kids come out with their hands up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BetsyRoss
    I seem to recall that the shooter at VTech looked down on the American students as being "hedonistic" (as if he had the right to pass judgement on them).

    As of now, reports are still conflicting.

    I know that at Michigan State University alot of them suffered from the "golden boy" syndrome while I was there. They had the attitude that special circumstances bought them to the US and that they were superior to the American students who they surrounded. As a result, many of them had grouchy looks on their faces all the time. I would imagine from finding out that American citizenship was not an instant right for them like they wanted. One time I lived in an "international" dorm at Michigan State and there were several tables where the international students ate separate from Americans. One day I recognized a Canadian at one of the tables and went to sit across from her talk to her. The looks I got from the other foreign students were the most horrible I had ever gotten in my life. Several times after that I would eat with one or two foreign students from time to time and hear nothing but insults about America and American students. The Canadian girl I knew was very embarrassed after the table incident and avoided me as well. I was very gracious and accomodating to any foreign student I met but was usually rebuffed for being some sort of dirty, low class white trash. This is the thanks we get for giving everything we can to recent immigrants and students. A nice huge stab in the back.

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