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Sign of the times?

November 2, 2009 - 12:53 ET

GLENN: We have Doug Hoffman on the line. Doug Hoffman is the guy that was running as the independent in the 23rd district of New York, and he was running as a third party because the Democrat was, you know, ACORN endorsed and so was the Republican. The Republican drops out over the weekend and then she quickly endorses the Democrat. This is exactly what we were talking about last week. What difference does it make? If you have a Republican that drops out of the race and then doesn't endorse the conservative but instead embraces the Democrat that was also ACORN endorsed, what difference does it make? Doug Hoffman is on with us now. Hello, Doug.

HOFFMAN: Hi, Glenn, how are you doing? It's a pleasure to be here as the common sense conservative Ronald Reagan Republican in this race.

GLENN: Wow.

HOFFMAN: Yes.

GLENN: Now, let me ask you something, Doug.

HOFFMAN: Yes.

GLENN: You know, do you how much do you think it is your electric personality that is pushing you to this win?

HOFFMAN: Well, we all know that certainly isn't doing that, Glenn. I think it's the positions that I hold and the values that I hold.

GLENN: Right, okay, all right. Here's what I wanted to ask. Because you are a 9/12er, are you not?

HOFFMAN: Yes, I am. I am proud to be.

GLENN: And you some polls I see that you are ahead by, like, 17 points. Other polls I see you losing. I don't I have no I don't know how the plus or minus could be, you know, 50. But apparently it is. Have you sensed anything here in the last few days?

HOFFMAN: Yes, I have, Glenn. I've sensed a real momentum going in our direction, and we're still fighting like the underdog and we're still fighting like we have to get every vote to the polling booth tomorrow and vote for us because it's not over until it's over as you know. And we're getting the message out that if you want less taxes, less spending and somebody that can help the farmers and the small businesses and the individuals in this 23rd district that I'm the person to do it. And if you want higher taxes, then vote for my Democratic opponent.

GLENN: Here's my concern, Doug. A friend of mine said to me, I don't know, recently, we were talking about where is the guy that's going to run for president, where is this person. And he said, you know what? You should run for president. And I said, we would run out of missiles, and I made the usual joke. And then he said, I'm serious, you should run for president, why wouldn't you run for president. And I said, well, because I don't think I'm electable in the first place because I'd be, I'd just be frank with people: If you don't like it, go pound sand. The second part of it is I would be afraid I would lose my soul. I don't know if you can go into that cesspool and come out with our soul. How strong are you? Because you know now that the party has said, well, you know what? Hey, Dougie, Dougie baby, we were with you the whole time! We were just getting around! You start to make an impact, Doug, and they are going to do everything they can to pretend they are your friend. And before you know it, you've lost your soul and you've become one of the Borg. Are you concerned about that at all?

PAT: Despite the dorky Star Trek reference that nobody probably really understands?

GLENN: Come on

PAT: Doug, are you aware of stark trek Next Generation?

HOFFMAN: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Of course.

PAT: He's electable, he's electable.

GLENN: We could hang out. We could hang out.

HOFFMAN: I think I've shown to the voters of the 23rd district that I stand up for what I believe in and I'm not persuaded by the party bosses. And that's the way I intend to be the congressman, and I'm going to represent the people of this district. And the people of this district are going to be my boss, and I'll listen to them.

GLENN: You know that the you know that we are headed for tough times economically. You are an accountant, right?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely.

GLENN: You know that, I mean, there are consequences to your actions. There's just no way to I mean, we're getting to the point of no return. We're going to have massive economic problems, correct?

HOFFMAN: Yes, we are. If we don't stop the spending and the taxing, we definitely will.

GLENN: Okay. They come to you and they say, Doug I was going to use GM but I don't think there's anything left of Kodak. Is Kodak in your district?

HOFFMAN: No, it isn't. It's just outside in Rochester.

GLENN: Well, let's just use GM because everybody knows it.

HOFFMAN: Right.

GLENN: They come to you and they say GM is going under. If we don't save it, we're going to lose all of these jobs. It's going to be an economic nightmare. As GM goes, so goes America, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And they give you a million great reasons for saving it. Do you step in and bail GM out?

HOFFMAN: I don't think so, Glenn. I think that's what's getting us into this problem. All the bailouts from last year, spending money that we don't have. And certainly we can't save every business in this country and if it was a small business, the small businesses generate over 80% of the jobs in the country. We can't save every small business.

GLENN: Now when you say I don't think so, because for me that answer is, no. What do you mean you don't think so? What would come to play where you would where that would change your mind?

HOFFMAN: Well, let me be more emphatic and agree with you. I would say no, absolutely. I don't think we should save mismanagement. We shouldn't save any corporations that can't effectively run in the free enterprise system.

GLENN: See, America, this is the passion that I think you are hearing.

PAT: It's understated. It's understated passion.

GLENN: Sure. I mean, it's electric. It's happening. You know what, Doug? I tell you I don't know if you saw that monologue I did where I think we called you the wrong name. I think we called you Dave Hoffman. Not my fault. But I did a monologue a couple of days before we had you on and I said, you know, the candidates of tomorrow are not going to be sleek, they are not going they are going to be like you. They are going to be like and I don't mean you, Doug. I mean like the average person. You were just

HOFFMAN: That's what I am is the average person.

GLENN: Yeah. And it's not you know, we have to decide. Now, the question is whether you and people like you have the character to withstand the onslaught that you're going to receive when you get down there. You know, a senator told a friend of mine once, a guy who had been there for a very long time, he said, why do you want to get into politics? He said, I've been in politics for a very long time; I've never seen anyone leave Washington a better man than they came to Washington as.

HOFFMAN: Well, that's a sad commentary. You have to change it somewhere and hopefully I'll be the person that starts to change it. And Glenn, I hope in 2010 there's going to be a lot more average people like me not rock stars, not polished speaking politicians, step up to the plate and take this country back and start a new trend.

PAT: What do you think about what President Obama is doing with our troops in Afghanistan, especially now? Do you find that to be immoral?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely. As an army veteran I believe that if you are going to put our troops in harm's way, you have to be fully supporting them. And if a general telling us we need more troops, it shouldn't be a 60 or 90 day decision. It should be immediately granted.

GLENN: Yeah, I have a lot of people that tell me that I shouldn't say these things on the radio. So let me say them on the radio. I've come to a place now to where if I'm in congress and I see this and I see this Vietnam attitude start coming down the pike, if I can't change it and give them everything, I vote to pull them out. Would you agree or disagree with that?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely. If we're going to put them in harm's way, we've got to be fully committed to a victory and obtain our objective or they should not be there at all.

GLENN: Are you for another stimulus package?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely not. I'm for revoting on the old stimulus package and getting it redirected to small businesses that can create jobs and really create jobs.

PAT: Doug, would you have voted for the first one?

HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

GLENN: Would you have voted for see, there was a passionate one. I like that one.

PAT: That wasn't even understated.

GLENN: No, no.

PAT: That was no!

GLENN: There you go. All right. Next one, the guy who's running against what's his face, the billionaire in New Jersey, Christie, do you think he's too fat to be governor?

PAT: Should weight be a

GLENN: Should weight be an issue?

HOFFMAN: I'll stay away from that one, Glenn.

GLENN: Okay, good. The climate change bill is coming. Do you believe that climate change is man caused, not man caused, not happening, can be cured and turned around. Where do you stand on climate change?

HOFFMAN: Well, I think there's a lot of debate on there. I don't believe that it's totally manmade, and I certainly don't believe the cap and tax bill is going to solve that problem.

GLENN: Cap and tax bill, see what's happening here?

PAT: See there?

GLENN: See what's happening?

PAT: He's getting stronger every second.

GLENN: He's getting stronger, there it is, every second.

PAT: Every second. What about

HOFFMAN: I have good mentors here.

GLENN: Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Are they mentors that will show

HOFFMAN: I'm talking about you, Glenn.

GLENN: Oh, okay. I was going to say all right, as long as they are standing out from the shadows. It's not like somebody going, "Doug, I tell you what, you just sign away your soul and I'll make you king of the universe." Because those people are coming.

HOFFMAN: No. Yeah, well, I'm going to keep in touch with people like you so I don't get infected with that disease.

GLENN: Have you without naming names, I would never put you in that position. Have you met anybody in politics yet that you went, okay, got to stay away from that person, hmmm? Yeah.

HOFFMAN: Yes, I have. I have.

PAT: All right, go ahead and name names.

GLENN: I said I wasn't going to. Pat clearly is going to make you name names.

PAT: Where do I think we asked you about this last week, but I just want to make sure. Where would you stand because this is the next one. After they get the healthcare jammed down our throats and then they try for climate change, they are going to go after amnesty for illegal aliens. Where do you stand on that?

HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

PAT: Okay, another emphatic answer.

GLENN: Okay. Let me go back here. If perhaps they don't get the healthcare bill passed in the next few weeks and you get into office and they are still coming at it, do you look at what they're trying to do as really truly trying to fix healthcare? Or don't open the door to these weasels because they're trying to build a system that doesn't look like the free market system?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely. They are trying to build a public option that we're all going to be forced into and take away our rights on healthcare issues.

GLENN: Now, I just want you to know, America, look for the headlines because I believe the story will come out now after this interview that he is a racist hate monger that wants to step on the throats of the poor and help big industry and also big war and who else? The insurance companies.

PAT: And look. As we're speaking to you, MSNBC is putting up a poll. Doug Hoffman 41% of the vote, Bill Owens 36 and DeDe Scozzafava who dropped out 6%. So

GLENN: What do you think of her saying I mean, didn't she, when she first dropped out didn't she say that she didn't want to hurt the party and that's why she was dropping out?

HOFFMAN: Yes, absolutely.

GLENN: And then she said vote for the Democrat?

HOFFMAN: Yeah.

PAT: Doesn't that hurt the Republican Party? I mean, maybe it's just us, but that doesn't

HOFFMAN: Well, certainly I would have liked to have her endorse me but maybe it helps me, too.

GLENN: Oh, I think it does. I think it does. If she would have endorsed you, it would have been the kiss of death. It would have been, wait, something's wrong with this guy.

PAT: Should have your people call saying, please, we don't want your endorsement, no endorsement necessary.

GLENN: Doug? I like you. You seem like a normal guy. You seem like a nice guy. You seem like the kind of person that we need in Washington which is just a regular person.

PAT: Stay your same sweet self.

GLENN: Yeah, please do that because I will tell you that a lot of people are counting on you if you would win and beyond that. You, then people like you who get in, if you turn to the dark side, you will do more damage. And also I think receive more pain in the end of things from the American people because they are really trusting you. They are really, they are saying I mean, you are this is almost like a last line of defense. This is like, okay, well, I've just got to have a regular guy in there. You know that, right?

HOFFMAN: Absolutely. And this might sound corny to you. But as a CPA that's the way our ethics and morals are is we stick to our values and we don't change for anything, not even for our clients. We're out to protect the public.

GLENN: All right, my friend. Thank you very much.

HOFFMAN: Okay. Let's stop Nancy Pelosi so I can get in there and vote against her.

GLENN: You got it. Thanks a lot.

HOFFMAN: Thank you.

GLENN: Doug Hoffman from the 23rd district in New York.

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Glenn, Glenn, Glenn, where is the follow-up question to get to the truth, Glenn? You're really slipping Beck Boy. Call Janet Marguila from National Council of La Raza and ask her the same question you asked Hoffman, the same way and she'll give you the same answer "no, absolutely not." It's all over their website that National Council of La Raza opposes amnesty. It's also all over their website that they support "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" which they claim is not amnesty. No one has described La Raza Shamnesty better than Doug Hoffman described it in his own words on his own website which he supports. La Raza Shamnesty IS what Doug Hoffman said he believes:

"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes."

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/i ... mmigration

Glenn Beck! The follow-up question is "Doug, what do you intend to do with the 20 + million of illegal aliens in our country now?" The fact that amidst all your blathering gibberish in that radio dialogue YOU didn't ask that question, tells US right where you stand on "amnesty".

Shame on you, Shame on you, Shame on you.

And posing Hoffman as just a "regular guy", an "average citizen", who is really a multi-millionaire free trader is just really too funny for a dreary Monday.

When are we going to support candidates who when asked about bailing out our failing automotive industry, collapsing under the burden of the unfair free trade invasion, reply:

"Taxpayers shouldn't be required to bail out our manufacturing companies with tax dollars. Our manufacturing companies should be protected against unfair trade to begin with through protected trade policies that protect our industries, jobs, wealth and assets that built the greatest economic superpower in the world. Bailing out companies we put out of business with free trade treason treaties is insanity. Protecting them with fair and reasonable protected trade rules, tariffs and/or quotas that don't cost taxpayers a dime is how we save our industries. And, when we save our industries, we've saved our country.--Judy"

Look for candidates who can give this answer without a teleprompter. In my opinion, those are the candidates we must seek out and help put in office, because those are the people who understand the math of protected trade and secure borders versus the math of open borders and free trade. It's a simple formula:

Jobs Out (free trade treason) + People In (illegal immigration) = Bankrupt Nation

How much more evidence do you need that our present bankruptcy by the numbers provides?

$12 trillion and rising national debt

$840 billion and rising annual trade deficit in manufactured goods

17% and rising U6 unemployment

And no end in sight. Wake up, people!

He said NO and is 9 12 member, He has no voting record and I believe that he would be just nuts to go on Glenn's show and proclaim it. If he votes to help the pro open borders agenda then slam him, I bet Glenn will be the first one to slam him. I for one can't vote for him but If I had the choice I would because I still believe that their is a clean cut answer from him that is NO. This country is full of corruption, and you could pick anything apart even what Glenn Becks motives are for questioning a person that might help his agenda too. But Ill trust a committed 9 12 member more than the rest at this point.

Originally Posted by 93camaro

He said NO and is 9 12 member, He has no voting record and I believe that he would be just nuts to go on Glenn's show and proclaim it. If he votes to help the pro open borders agenda then slam him, I bet Glenn will be the first one to slam him. I for one can't vote for him but If I had the choice I would because I still believe that their is a clean cut answer from him that is NO. This country is full of corruption, and you could pick anything apart even what Glenn Becks motives are for questioning a person that might help his agenda too. But Ill trust a committed 9 12 member more than the rest at this point.

I'm not picking anything apart. I'm relying on Doug Hoffman's words in his own website. He only wants to prosecute illegal aliens who have committed crimes. He doesn't want a wall to stop all immigration. He wants a path that makes it easier for people to enter our country and work here. His words, not mine. His.

Shamnesty is in perfect accord with the 9/12 project. If you break the law, you pay a penalty. Under Shamnesty, you pay the penalty of a $500 fine I think they've got it down to and you're in our country legally for 6 years on a guest worker permit, all nice, legal and eligible to sign up for everything exactly like a US citizen or a Legal Immigrant who entered our country legally.

There's no conflict between the 9/12 project and Shamnesty. 9/12 would support Shamnesty under their item 5 on law and order because the lawbreakers paid their "penalty" for breaking the law.

If Hoffman wins, it's not the end of the world. He'll have to run again in 2010, so we'll see how he does or what we can do to expose him and either get him out of there next year or swing him back our way. But look at the heat we gave McCain and Graham and several others. Have they changed? Nope. They're just plotting with National Council of La Raza, Pelosi and Reid on what to rename it to try and shove it down our throats.

Doublespeak is treachery, and when Glenn Beck didn't ask the follow-up question on his "amnesty" question, and ask Hoffman what do you want to do with the 20 + million illegal aliens in the country, Glenn Beck can't be trusted on immigration issues. He may be fine on other issues, outside of immigration and free trade, but on these issues, Glenn is a globalist.

You know Glenn Beck is not a Republican, don't you? He hates Republicans as much as he hates Democrats.

Judy,

Dede did not say how she stood on the issue but you were using lack of information to interpret her as against.

they are going to go after amnesty for illegal aliens. Where do you stand on that?

HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

Well I guess if he wavers at all from that statement let's nail him to the wall, but until then time will tell.. Ill take his word on it even though you can't believe a damn thing anymore, but for now Ill take it how it is.

quote( The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here )quote

Sorry that's naive, I've lived on and near the southwest border for years we make it too easy now for people coming in,the idea a continued work program of any sort will stem the tide is incorrect.
People who hire illegals want slave labor they will continue to urge illegal workers over green card holders because it's about control and greed.

Please don't fall for the LaRaza line about not wanting Amnesty what they do want is an open border with Mexico.

American takes in more people then most countries combined at what point would we have enough unskilled uneducated people to fill the slave quota. What we do need is a moratorium on all immigration for 5 years Prosecute to the full extend those hiring illegals and then have a quota of legal immigrants after 5 years.

American is in a desperate situation,outsourcing,loss of manufacturing, bleeding money to third world countries along with nation building, greed and ignorance is killing our country.

310 million and counting.

Originally Posted by Richard

Judy,

Dede did not say how she stood on the issue but you were using lack of information to interpret her as against.

That's true, because no one who opposes amnesty, shamnesty and illegal immigration would say what Doug Hoffman said. Dede NEVER said:

"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes." -- Doug Hoffman

Dede Scozzafava never said that. Doug Hoffman said that. What does what Doug Hoffman said mean to you? New York Republican Chairpersons are never going to select a pro-amnesty, pro-shamnesty candidate for a special election in a state where 77% of the voters don't even want to give illegal aliens driver's licenses, let alone "create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States and to work here while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes."

Originally Posted by 93camaro

they are going to go after amnesty for illegal aliens. Where do you stand on that?

HOFFMAN: No, absolutely not.

Well I guess if he wavers at all from that statement let's nail him to the wall, but until then time will tell.. Ill take his word on it even though you can't believe a damn thing anymore, but for now Ill take it how it is.

93camaro, why would you take his word on that and not take his word on this:

"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes."

http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/i ... mmigration

He lied about Dede Scozzafava's position on cap and trade claiming she supported it when she adamantly opposes it.

He lied about Dede Scozzafava not having signed the Americans for Tax Reform No Tax Pledge, when she had signed it.

He lied about Dede Scozzafava supporting 190 tax increases when those weren't tax increases, they were extensions of sales taxes for local counties and communities to use the taxes already in place or that needed to be raised to balance their budgets. What kind of fiscal conservative wants to force communities by law to either lay off fireman and police officers because their sales tax authorization is going to expire or borrow money to pay for it?

He lied about ACORN's affiliate Working Families Party supporting Dede Scozzafava. Working Families Party had endorsed Bill Owens, not Dede. In previous elections, the only time Working Families Party had Dede Scozzafava on their fusion voting line was when she didn't have an opponent and they had no one else to put on the line for the state representative.

He lied about Dede Scozzafava supporting Obamacare, she clearly opposes it and states such on her website. She supports some reforms to our health care system, specifically tort reform.

When someone lies about a decent person to try to win an election, they'll about anyone and anything.

But suit yourself. We'll see tomorrow how it all turns out, and then we'll activate to do what needs to be done if his positions on illegal immigration are in fact what he said they were on his website where he detailed his belief and philosophy on illegal immigration. No "wall". "create easier path for people to enter and work here". "tough on illegal aliens who commit crimes". Straight out of the McCain, Graham, National Council of La Raza Amnesty Play Book.

"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes." -- Doug Hoffman

If you really wanted to interpret this any way you want you could say that he wants to get tough on all illegals since by them crossing the border illegally that would be a "crime" and should be tough on all since none of them are innocent of committing crime against the rule of law in the United States, and we should make the immigration system easier to navigate FOR IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER the US the right way with reasonable limits.

See you could say that he believes that IMMIGRANTS that want to come here should have an easier way to do it the right way, but the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that are already here are guilty of crime and need to be dealt with.

I say he is probably trying to get his share of the Hispanic Vote, nothing new but this time around he will be watched like a hawk by all of the voters and will have vote our way or suffer. Time will tell..