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    Ann Coulter says Trump granted amnesty to nearly 100,000 'Dreamers.' Is that true?

    The Trump administration has granted amnesty to "nearly 100,000 'Dreamers' "
    Ann Coulter on Thursday, June 8th, 2017 in in a tweet


    Ann Coulter says Trump granted amnesty to nearly 100,000 'Dreamers.' Is that true?

    By Miriam Valverde on Wednesday, June 21st, 2017 at 3:39 p.m.


    In this Feb. 12, 2011 file photo, Ann Coulter waves to the audience after speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington. (AP Photo/Cliff Owen)

    Conservative pundit Ann Coulter, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, is calling him out for stalling on key immigration promises, including the deportation of hundreds of thousands of young immigrants.
    Trump campaigned on a hardline stance against immigrants who violated immigration laws, promising to deport them and to "immediately terminate" programs created during the Obama administration. One of those programs, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), gives deportation reprieves to immigrants who came to the United States as children and have no legal authorization to live here, so-called "Dreamers."

    As of June 8, DACA was still in effect, and the Trump administration continued to take applications, prompting Coulter to tweet: "HOW TRUMP LOSES THE NEXT ELECTION. Nearly 100,000 ‘Dreamers’ Granted Amnesty In Trump’s Opening Months."

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    Her tweet linked to an article from conservative news outlet The Daily Caller, headlined "Nearly 100,000 ‘Dreamers’ Granted Amnesty In Trump’s Opening Months" — part of the text in Coulter’s tweet.

    We wondered if her tweet was accurate. We found that the numbers are in line with data from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, but whether the program grants "amnesty" is a matter of debate among experts.


    DACA by the numbers

    About a month into Trump’s administration, Department of Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly rescinded all previous enforcement priorities memos. But he kept in place a June 2012 memo that created DACA and a November 2014 memo for a separate deferred action program that would have benefitted immigrants in the country illegally who are parents of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

    On June 15, the Trump administration revoked the memo that benefitted the parents, but said DACA would remain in place.

    White House press secretary Sean Spicer on June 19 said DACA is under review but did not provide a timeline for a final determination.


    Close to 800,000 immigrants have been approved for DACA, according to USCIS data released June 8. The latest numbers show approvals from 2012 up to March 31, 2017.


    From January 2017 to March 2017, immigration officials approved more than 124,000 applications: 107,524 renewal cases plus 17,275 initial cases.


    How many have been approved since Trump took office Jan. 20?


    The Daily Caller, citing USCIS numbers, reported that the Trump administration through DACA had "given amnesty to an estimated 98,000 illegal immigrants."


    We reached out to The Daily Caller’s reporter, Alex Pfeiffer, who told us he reached the estimated 98,000 by dividing the total number of cases approved from January through March by the number of business days in that period, and removing days in January that Trump was not in office.


    Pfeiffer said he only used business days in the calculation, because those are the only days that USCIS accepts DACA applications. USCIS told us DACA applications are not accepted online, only by mail, and that the lockbox where requests are sent typically accepts mail from Monday through Friday.


    We did our own calculation using Pfeiffer’s parameters and also got about 98,000.


    We asked USCIS for a month-by-month breakdown of approved applications, but did not receive the information by deadline.


    Coulter did not respond to our inquiries sent via social media or her booking company.


    DACA recipients granted amnesty?

    Whether DACA beneficiaries are getting amnesty is a not a settled matter among experts.

    We’ve noted before that a legal definition of amnesty is "a blanket abolition of an offense by the government, with the legal result that those charged or convicted have the charge or conviction wiped out … Amnesty is not a pardon as some believe, since a pardon implies forgiveness, and amnesty indicates a reason to overlook or forget the offenses."


    The common reference for amnesty in modern American politics is the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, signed by President Ronald Reagan. The law paved the way for immigrants who were in the country illegally to become lawful permanent residents if they met certain requirements, including being in the country by Jan. 1, 1982.


    Individuals granted DACA are protected from deportation for two years and are eligible for work permits. Recipients can apply to renew their DACA protection, but are not granted a lawful status.


    DACA is a temporary and limited kind of relief that can be revoked by the president, said Kevin R. Johnson, an immigration law expert and dean of the University of California, Davis School of Law.


    "DACA does not create a lasting ‘amnesty’ and lawful permanent residence" as did the 1986 law, Johnson said.

    Others see it differently.

    Based on the benefits it offers, DACA is amnesty, said Steven Camarota, director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies, which favors low-immigration levels.


    "I would define an amnesty as such whenever the law is set aside and the normal penalty is waived as a matter of policy," Camarota said. "The normal penalty for being in the U.S. illegally is removal."


    Our ruling

    In a tweet, Coulter said the Trump administration granted amnesty to "Nearly 100,000 'Dreamers.' "

    Trump assumed office Jan. 20. Data from USCIS shows more than 124,000 people have been approved for DACA from January to March.


    Calculations of the total applications approved January through March that only include days Trump has been in office show that, at least, about 98,000 were approved.


    Whether the program is amnesty is subject to interpretation. For that reason, we rate Coulter’s claim Mostly True.


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    The Trump administration has granted amnesty to "nearly 100,000 'Dreamers' " in a tweet – Thursday, June 8, 2017

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    Not good, not good at all!

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    Trump said several months ago that he wants to see comprehensive reform of our immigration laws. That is not the code for amnesty called "comprehensive immigration reform". He wants to go through all the existing immigration laws and determine which ones aren't being enforced and enforce them and try to pass some new ones to improve this process that reduces immigration that either competes with American Workers or adds legal immigrants to the welfare rolls, based on a merit-type system. He's not talking about illegal aliens, he's talking about legal immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Trump said several months ago that he wants to see comprehensive reform of our immigration laws. That is not the code for amnesty called "comprehensive immigration reform". He wants to go through all the existing immigration laws and determine which ones aren't being enforced and enforce them and try to pass some new ones to improve this process that reduces immigration that either competes with American Workers or adds legal immigrants to the welfare rolls, based on a merit-type system. He's not talking about illegal aliens, he's talking about legal immigrants.
    To me comprehensive immigration reform and comprehensive reform of our immigration laws mean the same thing. Shifting a couple words around doesn't disguise the true meaning. The word "comprehensive" is the word we've learned to associate with amnesty. Please don't be fooled by the simple shifting of a couple words.

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    I realize it means that to you, but it doesn't mean that to Trump. Tom Cotton's Raise Act is a reform of our immigration laws that reduces legal immigration by 40% just in its first year by getting rid of the visa lottery, guest worker programs and reducing green card admissions. Laws and enforcement to get immigrants off of welfare and prevent them from using it for at least 5 years is a reform of our immigration laws. Lou Barletta's Verify First Act is a reform to our immigration laws that requires verification of legal status before any health care tax credit can be issued. Trump ran on a platform that ends illegal immigration and reduces legal immigration. He does not support amnesty.

    Donald Trump is not a shy person. If he wants amnesty, he'll tell you straight up. Trump said over and over during the campaign, no amnesty and laid out clearly his priorities for deportations and many other actions to end illegal immigration into the US once and for all. Visas overstays - out. Public charges (welfare) - out. Criminals (including misdemeanors) - out. Violators of immigration documents - out. I figured up what percentage of illegal aliens those categories might represent and it was over 90%. He also said that after we get all of those people out, then he will look at who is left and evaluate the situation on what if anything different should be done. In that regard, he talked about deportations and giving them a chance to come back in at some point, but they would have to get in line behind legal immigrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    I realize it means that to you, but it doesn't mean that to Trump. Tom Cotton's Raise Act is a reform of our immigration laws that reduces legal immigration by 40% just in its first year by getting rid of the visa lottery, guest worker programs and reducing green card admissions. Laws and enforcement to get immigrants off of welfare and prevent them from using it for at least 5 years is a reform of our immigration laws. Lou Barletta's Verify First Act is a reform to our immigration laws that requires verification of legal status before any health care tax credit can be issued. Trump ran on a platform that ends illegal immigration and reduces legal immigration. He does not support amnesty.

    Donald Trump is not a shy person. If he wants amnesty, he'll tell you straight up. Trump said over and over during the campaign, no amnesty and laid out clearly his priorities for deportations and many other actions to end illegal immigration into the US once and for all. Visas overstays - out. Public charges (welfare) - out. Criminals (including misdemeanors) - out. Violators of immigration documents - out. I figured up what percentage of illegal aliens those categories might represent and it was over 90%. He also said that after we get all of those people out, then he will look at who is left and evaluate the situation on what if anything different should be done. In that regard, he talked about deportations and giving them a chance to come back in at some point, but they would have to get in line behind legal immigrants.
    Your attempt at obfuscation is a fail. The bills you mentioned are not considered "comprehensive" in form Those bills are designed with specific concerns in mind. A comprehensive bill deals with all facets of immigration.

    President Trump's continued support of DACA proves he supports amnesty for illegals. Furthermore, Trump has in the past said he would consider a bill that offers legalization to illegal immigrants, which is amnesty. Trump is not an idiot and has learned that the word "comprehensive" is a nasty word. Hence his wordsmithing designed to stay away from the word. He has, although, adopted the word "compromise", which essentially means the same thing.

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    “I personally have always believed that it’s not a good idea to have millions of people in your country that can never become citizens,” he said. “But I certainly think legalization is better than what we have now. And if that’s what we need to do to get progress, I would be able to accept that.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...promise-235509

    "The time is right for an immigration bill as long as there is compromise on both sides," Trump told the anchors. His comments, reported by several of the journalists present, were confirmed by an attendee of the luncheon.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...228-story.html

    Indeed, Trump sounds a lot like he's now preparing to allow undocumented immigrants to come "out of the shadows" and live in the United States — legally — with apparent penalties. Many Republicans would certainly call that "amnesty" — including Trump in a former life.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f6c609bf196a

    There are many more such stories where Trump has supported what we all know as amnesty. I just used a few examples to make a point.

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    MW, why are you quoting Marco Rubio and then claiming in this cut and paste that Trump said it?

    Rubio also said a pathway to legal status, rather than citizenship, would be something he would support in a compromise deal.

    “I personally have always believed that it’s not a good idea to have millions of people in your country that can never become citizens,” he said. “But I certainly think legalization is better than what we have now. And if that’s what we need to do to get progress, I would be able to accept that.”
    That is Marco Rubio's statement to Politico, not Donald Trump's.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...promise-235509
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    MW, why are you quoting Marco Rubio and then claiming in this cut and paste that Trump said it?



    That is Marco Rubio's statement to Politico, not Donald Trump's.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...promise-235509
    Okay, my mistake. How about the other quotes and the many others I can pull up if you so insist? What about Trump's continued support of DACA and his support of their permanent legalization? Are you going to deny those truths?

    By the way, you need to fix your link because it isn't complete. I checked my link and it works. Was your failure to list an accurate link by accident or on purpose? Just asking .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Trump said several months ago that he wants to see comprehensive reform of our immigration laws. That is not the code for amnesty called "comprehensive immigration reform". He wants to go through all the existing immigration laws and determine which ones aren't being enforced and enforce them and try to pass some new ones to improve this process that reduces immigration that either competes with American Workers or adds legal immigrants to the welfare rolls, based on a merit-type system. He's not talking about illegal aliens, he's talking about legal immigrants.
    I agree with this point of view. "Reform" can mean anything including making it more restrictive. Another abused term is "amnesty". An amnesty for illegal immigrants should mean nothing more than immunity from prosecution, it should not grant permission to be here. That is NOT amnesty, that is immunity from the law, not prosecution. Immunity from the law is the problem that creates illegal immigration and is the real groundwork of "sanctuary" cities.

    But we should be hearing more evidence from Trump that he is going to crack down on illegal immigrants and immigration in general. Part of confronting illegal immigration and a lax immigration policy is a public face showing intolerance for it. Trump should be providing that face.
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