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Luis Gutierrez, Joe Baca don't want federal enforcement in "their" communities

Putative U.S. Reps. Luis Gutierrez and Joe Baca offer an editorial: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... 4335.story called "Mr. President, stop your raids on our communities" (link). Discussing everything wrong with it would take too long, but:

1. What exactly does "our communities" mean? I'm pretty sure they aren't referring to the localities they represent, but have something more ethnic nationalistic in mind. And, what right do they have to order the federal government to stop enforcing our laws? Taken the next step, are they claiming there's a Latino Nation inside our nation, and they're it's representatives?

2. As with others, they pretend they'll support enforcement after an amnesty is granted ("We can all agree that we need Immigration reform that is tough on enforcement.") Yet, everything they complain about would apply after "reform" as it does now. Does anyone believe these two racial demagogues would do a 180 and support post-"reform" enforcement?

3. They compare the conditions in the Third World ("abject poverty, meager wages, poor working conditions, paltry access to legal counsel and a jarring lack of fairness in the courts") to that which illegal aliens undergo. Not only is that extreme hyperbole, illegal aliens put themselves in their positions and almost all can escape their current conditions simply by abiding by our laws.

4. If their only concern was alleged abuses, they'd probably get more support if it wasn't clear that their goal is to prevent enforcement in order to increase their political power.

5. Is it in the best interests of the U.S. to give Gutierrez and Baca more power than they have now? (The answer is a very loud 'no').
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007892.html

are they claiming there's a Latino Nation inside our nation, and they're it's representatives?

HELLO!!!

Good questions, all.

This is why we can never agree to any form of "comprehensive" reform, for as soon as the ethnocentric activists received their amnesty, enforcement would be thrown under the bus. History has proven this.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi ... 4335.story


chicagotribune.com


Mr. President, stop your raids on our communities


By Luis Gutierrez and Joe Baca
August 6, 2008



As members of Congress, we have traveled to remote corners of the world and had our eyes opened to some of the worst human suffering imaginable—abject poverty, meager wages, poor working conditions, paltry access to legal counsel and a jarring lack of fairness in the courts.


We never imagined that we would witness the same injustices in a small American town just a five-hour drive from Chicago.


During a visit to Postville, Iowa, last weekend, site of the May 12 Immigration and Customs Enforcement raid of the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant, we saw firsthand how a broken Immigration system devastates a small town.


Mothers bound to electronic bracelets were allowed neither to work nor to return to their home countries, leaving them without recourse to pay rent or feed their children. Wives and children—many of them U.S. citizens—were left to wonder where their husbands and fathers had been taken, or where they would go next. To this day, more than half of the wives do not know where their husbands are.


Meanwhile, a 16-year-old boy spoke of working 17-hour shifts, six days a week, without overtime on the kill floor of a meatpacking plant. Women from the slaughterhouse spoke of male supervisors demanding sex in return for decent hours, decent pay and decent treatment on the job. These workers were victimized, only to be herded like animals when ICE swept the plant and left their employers without punishment.


There is no mistaking that these men and women are suffering at the hands of the U.S. government and our president. Our broken Immigration system has paved a way to the objectification of human beings at the expense of our labor laws, U.S. workers' safety and basic family values.


Instead of taking a stand against the outright victimization of workers—many of them minors, and all of them legally entitled to labor protections—the Bush administration decided that meatpackers posed a greater threat to our security than suspected terrorists or physically abusive employers.


Almost two years to the day before the administration sent 900 ICE agents to storm Agriprocessors, President George W. Bush appeared before the American people and declared: "We're a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws. We're also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. These are not contradictory goals.


America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time."


Postville has plainly shown that we are neither of those things.


We are not "lawful" when we interrupt investigations spearheaded by our own Department of Labor. We are not lawful when we implement fear tactics and deportation-only policies simply to score cheap political points with conservative pundits. We are not lawful when we railroad men and women through the judicial process, without adequate representation or a full understanding of their rights.


We are certainly not "welcoming" when hardworking mothers and fathers are prohibited from raising their U.S. citizen children in the country of their birth, or when those who work the longest hours at the most undesirable jobs are treated like terrorists, simply for waking up and going to work.


There is no other reasonable response than to demand that Bush remember his words of welcome and his commitment to law, by placing a moratorium on Immigration raids until we have passed effective, comprehensive reform. The nation that we love, respect and serve is better than this. Bush stood before the American people and proclaimed:
"An Immigration reform bill needs to be comprehensive, because all elements of this problem must be addressed together, or none of them will be solved at all."


But headline-grabbing tactics like the Postville raid had nothing to do with comprehensive reform. Bush has forgotten his promise.


No one benefits when taxpayers pay $590,000 a month to jail Postville's detainees. As a society, we fail when our factories are less safe, when the perpetrators go uncharged or when our laws remove infants from nursing mothers and create broken homes for U.S. citizen children.


We can all agree that we need Immigration reform that is tough on enforcement. However, any system which fails to respect the enormous contributions immigrants make to our workforce, that fails to reflect our proud history of welcoming those who seek a better life and that fails to protect all U.S. workers and our homeland, fails the American people.


The Postville raid failed our nation on all three of those levels. Any future raid would be equally and profoundly inexcusable and cause yet another avoidable blight on our history.


Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) is chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus' Immigration Task Force and Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) is chair of the caucus.


Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune


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There is no other reasonable response than to demand that Bush remember his words of welcome and his commitment to law, by placing a moratorium on Immigration raids until we have passed effective, comprehensive reform.

'Commitment to law' my rear end!
Most Americans want Comprehensive immigration ENFORCEMENT - not 'reform'.

BOOT THEM OUT OF OFFICE......

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi ... 4335.story


chicagotribune.com


Mr. President, stop your raids on our communities


By Luis Gutierrez and Joe Baca
August 6, 2008



As members of Congress, we have traveled to remote corners of the world and had our eyes opened to some of the worst human suffering imaginable—abject poverty, meager wages, poor working conditions, paltry access to legal counsel and a jarring lack of fairness in the courts.


We never imagined that we would witness the same injustices in a small American town just a five-hour drive from Chicago.


During a visit to Postville, Iowa, last weekend, site of the May 12 Immigration and Customs Enforcement raid of the Agriprocessors meatpacking plant, we saw firsthand how a broken Immigration system devastates a small town.


Mothers bound to electronic bracelets were allowed neither to work nor to return to their home countries, leaving them without recourse to pay rent or feed their children. Wives and children—many of them U.S. citizens—were left to wonder where their husbands and fathers had been taken, or where they would go next. To this day, more than half of the wives do not know where their husbands are.


Meanwhile, a 16-year-old boy spoke of working 17-hour shifts, six days a week, without overtime on the kill floor of a meatpacking plant. Women from the slaughterhouse spoke of male supervisors demanding sex in return for decent hours, decent pay and decent treatment on the job. These workers were victimized, only to be herded like animals when ICE swept the plant and left their employers without punishment.


There is no mistaking that these men and women are suffering at the hands of the U.S. government and our president. Our broken Immigration system has paved a way to the objectification of human beings at the expense of our labor laws, U.S. workers' safety and basic family values.


Instead of taking a stand against the outright victimization of workers—many of them minors, and all of them legally entitled to labor protections—the Bush administration decided that meatpackers posed a greater threat to our security than suspected terrorists or physically abusive employers.


Almost two years to the day before the administration sent 900 ICE agents to storm Agriprocessors, President George W. Bush appeared before the American people and declared: "We're a nation of laws, and we must enforce our laws. We're also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways. These are not contradictory goals.


America can be a lawful society and a welcoming society at the same time."


Postville has plainly shown that we are neither of those things.


We are not "lawful" when we interrupt investigations spearheaded by our own Department of Labor. We are not lawful when we implement fear tactics and deportation-only policies simply to score cheap political points with conservative pundits. We are not lawful when we railroad men and women through the judicial process, without adequate representation or a full understanding of their rights.


We are certainly not "welcoming" when hardworking mothers and fathers are prohibited from raising their U.S. citizen children in the country of their birth, or when those who work the longest hours at the most undesirable jobs are treated like terrorists, simply for waking up and going to work.


There is no other reasonable response than to demand that Bush remember his words of welcome and his commitment to law, by placing a moratorium on Immigration raids until we have passed effective, comprehensive reform. The nation that we love, respect and serve is better than this. Bush stood before the American people and proclaimed:
"An Immigration reform bill needs to be comprehensive, because all elements of this problem must be addressed together, or none of them will be solved at all."


But headline-grabbing tactics like the Postville raid had nothing to do with comprehensive reform. Bush has forgotten his promise.


No one benefits when taxpayers pay $590,000 a month to jail Postville's detainees. As a society, we fail when our factories are less safe, when the perpetrators go uncharged or when our laws remove infants from nursing mothers and create broken homes for U.S. citizen children.


We can all agree that we need Immigration reform that is tough on enforcement. However, any system which fails to respect the enormous contributions immigrants make to our workforce, that fails to reflect our proud history of welcoming those who seek a better life and that fails to protect all U.S. workers and our homeland, fails the American people.


The Postville raid failed our nation on all three of those levels. Any future raid would be equally and profoundly inexcusable and cause yet another avoidable blight on our history.


Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) is chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus' Immigration Task Force and Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) is chair of the caucus.


Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune


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Seems they are only speaking for a small section of their "constituency" - the ones who have no right to vote. The majority of their communities are calling for enforcement. Maybe these two would be happier being in the mexican legislature?

"Mr. President, stop your raids on our communities"

I've personally heard this very same type of statement. I went to dinner with a Hispanic family. We were on our way to a group meeting after work. I worked with the husband. The wife made a statement about staying with "their own kind." In other words I wasn't appreciated at the table. My co-worker almost hit the roof. He kept saying "our kind", "our kind" what do you mean, "our kind." He was angry. It shows that even within families that they are split on the way to conduct themselves. He had two daughters and one is in the Who's Who of American Students. Very bright girl. She sure learned a lesson that night. They ended up getting a divorce.

Baca's agenda is VERY clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do we allow men who openly talk about the TAKE OVER OF ANOTHER COUNTRY..... OUR COUNTRY.....TO HOLD OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uOVzQ2YE6Y

Luis Gutierrez ... his agenda is also clear!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rep. Luis Gutierrez speaks at panel discussion on immigration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ9Dbpzya3E

(illegal aliens are treated like common criminals?) Well, that is because they are COMMON CRIMINALS!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!

Comprehensive Immigration Reform=AMNESTY=THE LOSS OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!