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    Oceanside man mulls border-watch group in California

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    Oceanside man mulls border-watch group in California
    By: EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer

    OCEANSIDE ---- A retired Oceanside man said he is studying the possibility of gathering civilian volunteers to patrol the border in East San Diego County, hoping to deter illegal immigrants and terrorists from coming into the country.

    "I'm exploring different parts of the border where there is no fence or where there is a problem with people coming through," said Jim Chase.

    A Vietnam War veteran, Chase, 58, said he was inspired by a similar plan in the works for next month in Arizona, called the Minuteman Project. It will bring an estimated 1,000 volunteers from across the country to the border near Tombstone, Ariz., to observe and report illegal immigrants coming through.

    Chase was among the first to sign up for the Arizona project, which was hatched by his friend and fellow Vietnam War veteran Jim Gilchrist of Orange County. Armed with cell phones and binoculars, the group plans a monthlong, round-the-clock stakeout of the Arizona-Mexico border.

    The Minuteman Project has attracted national and international media attention because some of the volunteers will carry guns, which is legal in Arizona. Organizers say the guns are for self-defense only.

    The Minuteman Project has also raised concerns among human rights and immigrant rights activists because links to its Web site have been posted on white supremacist Web sites.

    The Minuteman group said it rejects any ties to such groups and its leaders have said that they are doing their best to keep racists out of its ranks.

    Critics of the Minuteman Project, such as Christian Ramirez, San Diego director of the human rights American Friends Service Committee, said they are not happy about the California version of the group.

    "This is definitely the fear that we had," Ramirez said. "The fact that these same folks are planning to do this in California is threatening and troubling."

    During the last decade, illegal immigrant traffic has shifted from California to Arizona as border enforcement efforts have focused on San Diego and Imperial counties. Operation Gatekeeper, which increased border agents and reinforced fences, has been credited by officials with redirecting traffic.

    Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the U.S. Border Patrol last year, about half entered the United States through Arizona, according to immigration authorities.

    Chase, however, said there are still many illegal immigrants coming through the California border. He fears, as some federal officials have suggested, that terrorists might use the same routes that illegal immigrants take to come into the country undetected.

    "We're just like a Neighborhood Watch that we're taking to the border," Chase said.

    Chase said that dozens of people have already expressed an interest in participating in a California version of the Minuteman Project. He said he plans to be in Arizona for the month of April to participate in the Minuteman effort there and then come back to see if a California project is possible.

    Chase sad he envisions an auxiliary volunteer Border Patrol group that fans out in remote areas of East San Diego and Imperial counties to spot illegal immigrants and report them to the U.S. Border Patrol, who would then make the arrests.

    However, Border Patrol officials have repeatedly said that they do not want civilian groups' help.

    "That's not the kind of help the Border Patrol is asking for," said Michael Nicley, chief of the Border Patrol's Tucson sector.
    "This country has lost control of its borders. And no country can sustain that kind of position." .... Ronald Reagan

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    I suppose what I keep asking myself is what human rights are being violated if our border is being patrolled and illegal aliens are being kept out? Has stealing our country, breaking our laws, become anyones 'Right'?? Then the next question is: What about our 'rights'??

    Having a second MMP or a third or a fourth or eventually having citizens--in lieu of soldiers--watching and reporting the shenanigens all along the border is what the law breakers fear. If our government won't do it...then that means it shouldn't be done???

    It would seem to me that all the government is interested in doing is creating more regulations, stealing more of our constitutional rights with every "Homeland Security" bill that they pass. Protecting us is not even on their agenda. Does that mean that no one should??

    I heartily applaud, I stand up and cheer for the MMP!! Thank God we STILL have men and women who will sacrifice some of their time and their comforts in order to call attention to a national scandal. This is probably the ONLY way that anything was going to help us be HEARD by those who practice selective hearing and selective law-enforement.

    This isn't the kind of help the Border Patrol WANTS?? Do they think--after all these years--that they're going to get any help from Washington?

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    I suppose what I keep asking myself is what human rights are being violated if our border is being patrolled and illegal aliens are being kept out? Has stealing our country, breaking our laws, become anyones 'Right'?? Then the next question is: What about our 'rights'??
    It's the politically correct response. <shrug!>
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    BTTT ... Charles, you were looking for this
    "This country has lost control of its borders. And no country can sustain that kind of position." .... Ronald Reagan

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    Thanks Watchman,
    yep this is it. I hope he does one in Calif. Also Hope there is a Brave Texican out there that starts one near Crawford. If he does I'm going thats a lot closer for me than Az.
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    Charles,

    I'm in TX too and looking for a way to get involved here in our state. If you come across any info on a similar TX intiative, would you keep me in mind and send along the tip? If someone already has something in the works, then I'd like to join up with them. If not, then I need to quit thinking "I'm just a mom" and get out there and start something up myself.
    HE!D! A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by men better than himself. ~J.S. Mills

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    If you start one I'll come from North Carolina. If we keep pushing it some one will stand up and say "I'll do it". I would like to see it have a good 6 month planing peroid to round up good Volunteers. Would need some one in the area to do the ground work(contacting property owners, business, local laws/ordinances, permits,checking the routes used etc).
    A lot will depend on how Jim's MMP goes.
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