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    Farmers, business don't consider illegals a problem

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    Farmers, business don't consider illegals a problem

    U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions answered a variety of questions when he met with Daily editors and writers this week. One of the questions was about illegal immigration.

    Meanwhile, U.S. Rep. Bud Cramer was fielding questions from area farmers at another meeting at which illegal immigration was one of the topics.

    Sen. Sessions, R-Mobile, is probably the most outspoken member of Congress on the issue and a sponsor of building a fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

    The U.S., he said, must secure the border, immigrants must be properly documented and employers must be accountable for hiring those who are illegal.

    That's a clear stand on the issue.

    But farmers told Mr. Cramer, D-Huntsville, that they depend on immigrant labor to work in cotton gins, nurseries and poultry houses.

    Sen. Sessions noted that people from other nations who attempt to enter the country legally find it difficult.

    Homeland Security statistics for 2005 confirm his contention. Nearly as many people from Mexico received permanent residence status as from the whole of Europe. Europe's total was 176,569. Mexico's was 157,000.

    In all, Homeland Security reported that 1,122,373 immigrants received permanent residence status. Of those, 79,701 came from Africa. Statistics for each country differ based on place of birth and place of last residency.

    The farmers told Rep. Cramer immigrants do work that U.S. citizens turn down while taking welfare benefits. Rep. Cramer's response was that the government must get tougher on enforcing existing immigration laws, but he realizes the impact that doing so would have on farm labor.

    Sen. Sessions said he agrees with the statement that allowing illegal immigration to flourish is a policy of importing poverty. Certainly the Valley feels the impact of immigrants on public schools and social programs.

    The worker shortage isn't simply a matter of getting people off their couch and into paying jobs. The nation has too few available workers to fill all of the labor demands. Thus, immigration is a good thing.

    Current policy, however, favors agricultural, construction and service interests, which is wrong because it ignores U.S. law.

    Doing nothing about the problem is no solution. Saying, "Y'all come, and stay," isn't one either. One farmer's solution is to open the border to temporary workers when employment is tight and close it when jobless statistics reach a certain point.

    Even with that approach, the government must document worker status and rigidly enforce the law, which it isn't doing. And, there is the problem of what to do about the 11 million or so Hispanics who are already here illegally.

    Most employers who hire good immigrant workers don't care if they are here legally or simply walked across the border. They won't want to see those workers rounded up and sent home.

    Thus, you have the crux of the illegal immigration problem.

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    Screw the farmers, as they are trying to screw the American people here, talk about being totally self-centered and selfish, this cuts the cake for me, no more will I ever give anything to farm aid, or anything to do with farmers!
    Build the dam fence post haste!

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    I agree NittyGritty! As far as I'm concerned let them all fall off a cliff!!


    Anyone who supports illegal immigration IS NOT AMERICAN!!!


    THEIR CRIMINAL!!
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    I've been saying for a long time that these poor farmers and growers that depend on illegal aliens (because they don't to pay a fair wage for a day's work) should move across the border to be closer to their help.

    They're no better than the meatpacking industry in my opinion.
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    The farmers told Rep. Cramer immigrants do work that U.S. citizens turn down while taking welfare benefits.
    I am sure they checked every US citizen that applied. In my opinion they are nothing but greedy little bloodsuckers. Welfare would be more than the poverty wages they pay the illegals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nittygritty
    Screw the farmers, as they are trying to screw the American people here, talk about being totally self-centered and selfish, this cuts the cake for me, no more will I ever give anything to farm aid, or anything to do with farmers!
    I can say without a doubt you wont be eating if we stop farming, unless you grow your own then of course you’ll be a farmer,
    But farmers told Mr. Cramer, D-Huntsville, that they depend on immigrant labor to work in cotton gins, nurseries and poultry houses.
    Americans will and can do the work, immigrents is very a broad term, and doesnt mean all are working have to be illegal, farmers just don’t want to spend the extra buck to go out and find the people to do the work. They have gotten away with using illegals for to long to tell the difference...
    The worker shortage isn't simply a matter of getting people off their couch and into paying jobs. The nation has too few available workers to fill all of the labor demands. Thus, immigration is a good thing
    miss info all around almost a down right lie...
    Most employers who hire good immigrant workers don't care if they are here legally or simply walked across the border. They won't want to see those workers rounded up and sent home
    then the employer’s wont mind going to jail right along side of the illegals...

    Thus, you have the crux of the illegal immigration problem.
    ....The only statement I agree all the way with, but who said it, who where the names of the farmers. And what is the location, what place does this guy get his info
    I farm and If I want to be heard I say my name
    I say no one truly suffers from a law banning all illegals from American soil, but its got to be the hardest on the farms the farmers but we will recover old habits are hard to break and the farmers that use illegals will gain a new respect in Americas eyes when they stop spitting out the old and start chewing on some new. But please America Dont bad mouth farmers with a mouth full of food.

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    I can say without a doubt you wont be eating if we stop farming, unless you grow your own then of course you’ll be a farmer,
    We seem to eat in the winter don't we? How much is imported? Farmers aren't complaining then are they?

    Americans will and can do the work, immigrents is very a broad term, and doesnt mean all are working have to be illegal, farmers just don’t want to spend the extra buck to go out and find the people to do the work. They have gotten away with using illegals for to long to tell the difference...
    Not all farmers are like that. There's a guy here who rents farmland that isn't used by owners any longer. He has maybe 25 guys working for him. They're legal. He pays them over $9 per hour, provides housing, trips into town to doctor, grocery store, etc. These workers go home usually in October and come back in April and aren't dropping little anchors all over the place. Everybody's happy.

    But please America Dont bad mouth farmers with a mouth full of food.
    Sorry but I feel the same way about farmers who hire illegals as I do contractors, meatpackers, lawn care services, etc. They can get off their back pockets just like everybody else and pay legal workers what they're worth instead hiring illegals and expecting taxpayers to subsidize their help. Didn't Lou Dobbs say if farmers doubled workers' wages, hired legal workers, that the price of a head of lettuce would go up maybe 10 cents?
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    "Without slaves, who will pick the cotton?" That was the sentiment of plantation owners before the Civil War. That same sentiment continues today among farmers. It's high time we got rid of modern slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by had_enuf
    I can say without a doubt you wont be eating if we stop farming, unless you grow your own then of course you’ll be a farmer,
    We seem to eat in the winter don't we? How much is imported? Farmers aren't complaining then are they?

    [quote:3qiqh94g] Americans will and can do the work, immigrents is very a broad term, and doesnt mean all are working have to be illegal, farmers just don’t want to spend the extra buck to go out and find the people to do the work. They have gotten away with using illegals for to long to tell the difference...
    Not all farmers are like that. There's a guy here who rents farmland that isn't used by owners any longer. He has maybe 25 guys working for him. They're legal. He pays them over $9 per hour, provides housing, trips into town to doctor, grocery store, etc. These workers go home usually in October and come back in April and aren't dropping little anchors all over the place. Everybody's happy.

    But please America Dont bad mouth farmers with a mouth full of food.
    Sorry but I feel the same way about farmers who hire illegals as I do contractors, meatpackers, lawn care services, etc. They can get off their back pockets just like everybody else and pay legal workers what they're worth instead hiring illegals and expecting taxpayers to subsidize their help. Didn't Lou Dobbs say if farmers doubled workers' wages, hired legal workers, that the price of a head of lettuce would go up maybe 10 cents?[/quote:3qiqh94g]I totaly agree with you i believe we import Agricultural alot, yearly we and export more , on a 13 mounth or three mounths after december this counts late pay or failed to export on time the U.S. Agricultural Totals For December, 2006
    Exports: $6,580,892,488.00
    Imports: $5,582,241,459.00
    these numbers will change for a while when the illeagals stop but and I hope we recover fast , its like i look at it anyone that breaks the law has to pay for the crime and all of america is going to pay when the immagrantion law are finilly enforced to the full extent of the laws
    I am in no way saying the habbits the farmers have is an excuse to break the law.

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    all of america is going to pay when the immagrantion law are finilly enforced to the full extent of the laws
    We're paying now.

    I'd rather see my hard-earned dollars going into my grocery bags instead of into increased taxes to support this illegal workforce.
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