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    CALIFORNIA PROP 187 RISES FROM THE DEAD

    CALIFORNIA PROP 187 rises from the dead

    by: Robert Cruickshank
    Fri Apr 10, 2009 at 11:20:59 AM PDT

    The 1994 election was a turning point for California. Pete Wilson cruised to reelection and Republicans won 40 seats in the Assembly in a year friendly for Republicans around the country. But that election sowed the seeds of the Republicans' downfall in California, turning the state deep blue and sending the Republican Party into a death spiral.

    The reason was Proposition 187. Scapegoating immigrants for economic problems is one of the most common political phenomena in California history, as the Chinese, the Japanese, the Filipinos, the Okies, and Latinos can tell you. The 1990s saw an upswing in immigrant-bashing and in 1994 a group of Orange County Republicans put on the ballot this attack on the rights of the undocumented. Prop 187 would have denied schooling, medical care and other social services to undocumented immigrants and their families.

    It passed by a large margin in November 1994, but was never implemented. Courts granted injunctions against its enforcement, and in early 1999 when Gray Davis became governor, the state's appeals to uphold the initiative were dropped.

    It was a pyrrhic victory for Republicans. The anti-Latino attitudes voiced by many Prop 187 supporters drove California Latinos into the arms of the Democratic Party. Voter registration soared, and many Latino immigrants became citizens to protect their rights at the ballot box.

    Since the 1996 election Republican fortunes have been in terminal decline in California, a party that has become a Zombie Death Cult more interested in purity fights than addressing California's needs.

    Of course, anti-immigrant sentiment never really went away after 1994. By 2003 it had returned and played a role in Davis' recall, as the recession led to renewed immigrant-bashing and Arnold Schwarzenegger ran on the "driver's licenses" issue. Still, Arnold had little appetite for actually pushing anti-immigrant legislation while governor, and somewhat surprisingly, the anti-immigrant movement never tried to go to the ballot to revive Prop 187 or otherwise target the undocumented.

    Until now.

    Right-wingers have in circulation an initiative to raise Prop 187 from the dead:

    Requires applicants for state, local, and state-administered federal aid to verify lawful presence in United States. Requires applications for public benefits submitted by undocumented parents on behalf of their lawful-resident children to be given to federal authorities. Denies birth certificates to children born to undocumented parents unless mother provides fingerprint and other information to be given to federal authorities. Limits benefits for children in child-only CalWORKS cases to federal minimum. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: If upheld in the courts, unknown potential one-time and ongoing costs to state and local governments due to changes in the application process for public benefits as well as changes in the way birth certificates are issued. These costs would be partly offset by additional new fees for certain birth certificates. Unknown, but probably minor, state and local law enforcement costs due to provisions in the measure creating new crimes, such as for the filing of false affidavits to obtain public benefits. If upheld in the courts, state savings of over $1 billion annually from prohibiting child-only CalWORKs cases, partially offset by state and county costs for children who shifted to Foster Care or county general assistance programs. Further unknown savings from the provisions changing the application processes for public benefits. (09-0004.)

    This is not just a revival of Prop 187, of course - it goes after CalWORKS as well, an effort to scale back the safety net couched in an attack on the children of the undocumented. This is an especially sick and unconscionable attack on Californians in a time of crisis, especially the deliberate targeting of children in order to cause them pain and suffering.

    Obviously this is part of the Republicans' 2010 election strategy. Despite the fact that earlier efforts in 2006 to ride anti-immigrant sentiment to victory failed spectacularly for Republicans, and despite the massive political price they paid after 1994 for backing Prop 187, they are at it again.

    And although we'd like to think that Californians would reject this kind of horrific attack on our neighbors and community members, the wide margin of victory for Prop 187 in 1994, the passage of Prop 8 last fall, and the long history of immigrant scapegoating in California suggests to me that these have a very high chance of passage.

    Progressives and Democrats will have to start organizing NOW to fight this, starting with a "do not sign" campaign.

    And in a related move, George Runner has an initiative in circulation to mandate voters bring a photo ID to the polls.

    This maneuver has been used by Republicans to suppress the vote in several other states, including Georgia, and is of dubious constitutionality. I include it here because Runner is almost certainly going to sell this as a crackdown on the undocumented, who don't have that kind of photo ID.

    Republicans nationally and here in California appear determined to treat 2010 like 1994. Progressives and Democrats need to be ready to fight back.

    Robert Cruickshank :: Prop 187 Rises From the Dead

    http://calitics.com/diary/8508/prop-187 ... m-the-dead
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    Prop 187 would have denied schooling, medical care and other social services to undocumented immigrants and their families.
    That sounds very reasonable to me, but this moron calls it "scapegoating and attacking".

    Scapegoating immigrants for economic problems is one of the most common political phenomena in California history, as the Chinese, the Japanese, the Filipinos, the Okies, and Latinos can tell you.
    THEY"RE NOT IMMIGRANTS, THEY"RE ILLEGAL ALIENS, THEY'RE ETHNOCENTRIC ILLEGAL INVADERS. HOW ARE YOU EVEN ALLOWED TO WRITE PUBLISHED ARTICLES WHEN YOU ARE SOOO MORONIC??!!!!!!
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    Re: CALIFORNIA PROP 187 RISES FROM THE DEAD

    Until now.

    Right-wingers have in circulation an initiative to raise Prop 187 from the dead:
    EXCELLENT! I hope it works. When is Arnolds term up?

    I think many states will be changing the Governors when the next vote happens. We are a changed world since about 4 years ago. We are NOW run by outlaws and corrupt Mob type of Chicago Playas, with a president from Kenya??????




    Requires applicants for state, local, and state-administered federal aid to verify lawful presence in United States.
    They need to be checked by E-Verify to get any help!


    Requires applications for public benefits submitted by undocumented parents on behalf of their lawful-resident children to be given to federal authorities.

    GOOD! Reverse all anchor-baby status too!


    Denies birth certificates to children born to undocumented parents unless mother provides fingerprint and other information to be given to federal authorities.

    NO American Birth Certificates to ANY illegal parents, just take the fingerprints, load up the kid and ship them HOME!.


    Limits benefits for children in child-only CalWORKS cases to federal minimum.
    ???

    This is not just a revival of Prop 187, of course - it goes after CalWORKS as well, an effort to scale back the safety net couched in an attack on the children of the undocumented. This is an especially sick and unconscionable attack on Californians in a time of crisis, especially the deliberate targeting of children in order to cause them pain and suffering.

    This paragraph was written by an idiot....


    And in a related move, George Runner has an initiative in circulation to mandate voters bring a photo ID to the polls.
    Excellent!

    This maneuver has been used by Republicans to suppress the vote in several other states, including Georgia, and is of dubious constitutionality.
    Shut-Up!



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    As I recall, Gov. Davis was recalled because of the energy crisis in CA, illegal immigration had nothing to do with it as not too of us were aware at the scope of the invasion. Nonenforcement of illegal immigration laws have been hushed up for far too long! Davis was against Prop 187! So why is this idiot write spewing lies about why Davis was recalled? Read the story. Sound familiar?

    http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/corp...4425&bIndex=15

    Breaking news — June 16, 2003

    Gov. Davis Recall Is Cautionary Tale For "Corporateers," Author Says Handling of California Electricity Crisis & Cash Register Politics At Issue
    Jamie Court - 310-392-0522 x327

    Santa Monica, CA -- The recall campaign to oust Governor Davis is a cautionary tale for politicians who support public bailouts of corporations (as Davis did in California's energy crisis) and whose "pay to play" politics earn them reputations for putting the interest of corporations over the public, according to consumer activist Jamie Court.

    Court charts Davis's mishandling of California's electricity crisis, including his advocacy of a taxpayer bailout for California's electric utilities, in his new book Corporateering: How Corporate Power Steals Your Personal Freedom And What You Can Do About It (Tarcher/Putnam) -- which Publisher's Weekly says "is keeping the muckraking tradition alive". Court seeks to put the word "corporateer" -- when corporations' commercial gain is prioritized over the gain of individuals and society -- into popular discourse to give the public a way to chart inappropriate behavior by corporations and politicians.

    "Governor Davis is in trouble not simply because of a bad economy, but because the public blames him for his mishandling of the California energy crisis and for other cash register politics that puts the interest of industries over the public," said Court, also the executive director of the
    Santa Monica-based Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR). "Other politicians should consider that just because corporations have large amounts of campaign cash they do not have the right to vote, and it's voters who Governor Davis will face."

    Court noted that it is not helpful for the Governor to be backed by the Business Roundtable, a coalition of corporate CEOs including Bechtel, Chevron-Texaco and Southern California Edison, who Davis has sought a taxpayer bailout for. The Roundtable unanimously voted to oppose the recall.

    "Governor Davis has a chance to save his career if he announced support for ambitious corporate reforms, but unfortunately the same corporations that have got him in trouble are now the biggest opponents of the recall," said Court.

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    Surely everyone at ALIPAC can support California on this.

    They need our help NOW more than ever.
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    Why do these legislators even bother to pass legislation when it won't be enforced? Shoot, they could be out raising campaign funds, not reading silly legislation. Mr. Cruikshank is ignoring a small thing: the BUDGET DEFICIT. He is also ignoring California's problems with drought, so millions of illegals do not need to be here using water resources.
    Freedom of speech, IMO, was meant for the good of the American people, not speaking treason against this country's governments, which is only an extension of American citizens, not coddling illegal scum.
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    The voters in California did everything they could in 1994 and got this passed and a FEDERAL JUDGE ruled it unconstitutional on the grounds that IMMIGRATION is a FEDERAL issue and no state can write immigration laws.

    Most Of California's Prop. 187 Ruled Unconstitutional - March 19, 1998
    Mar 19, 1998 ... LOS ANGELES (AllPolitics, March 19) -- A U.S. District Court judge has declared most of California's Proposition 187 unconstitutional. ...

    www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/03/19/prop.187/ - 9k - Cached - Similar pages
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California ... _187_(1994)
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    Finally, a state attempting to get the thieves hands out of our wallets.
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    He is also ignoring California's problems with drought, so millions of illegals do not need to be here using water resources.
    Excellent! I said that about water and gas.
    Imagine all the gas we woul not use in America if 30-40 million illegals went home! I can only dream.
    At least this Depression is changing some minds about where money is to be spent.
    If politicians can cut off money to the elderly Americans they can cut it off to illegals!

    Maine Legislature just voted to keep about 10% of their travel budget rather than give it to eldercare.
    They are people over the age of 80...
    Sad bunch we have running Maine..
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    Prop 187 passed overwhelmingly by California voters and we had a Republican Governor at the time. The problem lies with the ACLU types that sue and deem it "unconstitutional." No one challenged it and here we are. Unfortunately since the passage of prop 187 many Californians have left the state and millions more illegal have moved in. They'll "gin up" the votes illegally and it will fail. As much as I'd love to see its passage. I believe it is Prop 2???? Not sure but I've seen it.

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