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    White House approves military to use lethal force at southern border

    White House approves military to use lethal force at southern border

    Bart Jansen,John Fritze and Alan Gomez, USA TODAY Published 5:44 p.m. ET Nov. 21, 2018 | Updated 6:22 p.m. ET Nov. 21, 2018

    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen visited a San Diego beach on Tuesday, examining up close the newly installed razor wire on the US-Mexico border fence. She said the Central American caravan includes criminals and gang members. (Nov. 21) AP



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    WASHINGTON — The White House has authorized active-duty military troops stationed along the southwest border to use lethal force, if necessary, a significant escalation of the support role they had been tasked with that may run afoul of a 140-year-old law that generally bars the military from operating within U.S. boundaries.
    White House Chief of Staff John Kelly signed a memo late Tuesday expanding the mission of the 5,800 troops to include protecting Customs and Border Protection agents. That represents a sharp change in the orders given to troops currently deployed in California, Arizona and Texas, who had been lining the border with concertina wire and providing only logistical support to CBP personnel.
    Defense Secretary James Mattis confirmed the new guidelines to reporters on Wednesday but downplayed the level of interaction his troops will have with migrants. He said most troops aren’t carrying weapons and that the military would stay away from civilian law enforcement roles such as arrests, which are forbidden under in the Posse Comitatus Act.
    The law prohibits the federal government from using the armed forces in a domestic police role, except in situations specifically authorized by the Constitution or Congress.
    Mattis emphasized that he would use his expanded authorities only in response to a specific, detailed request from Secretary of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, and that none has yet been made.
    "I now have the authority to do more," Mattis told reporters. "Now we'll see what she asks me."
    The memo was first reported by the Military Times.
    Mattis’ assurances did little to quell criticism from advocacy groups worried about Trump’s increasingly dangerous actions and rhetoric as thousands of migrants — mostly from Central America — line up in Tijuana, Mexico, and elsewhere to try to enter the country to request asylum. The president had previously suggested that troops would be allowed to fire upon migrants if any of them threw rocks at the U.S. troops, but neither the Pentagon nor the Department of Homeland Security backed up that assertion.
    With the new orders, Michael Breen, president of Human Rights First, said the White House is officially "upping the ante" against migrants, and creating a hostile environment that could lead to deadly confrontations.
    "This legally dubious 'cabinet order' creates confusion, undermines morale, and may very well lead to violence," Breen said. "Americans should be thankful that those currently serving are likely to exhibit more judgment than their commander in chief."

    Troops deploy to US-Mexico border

    U.S. Army vehicles are parked at a military camp under construction at the U.S.-Mexico border on Nov. 7, 2018, in Donna, Texas. The new forward operating base is located near the Donna-Rio Bravo International Bridge and port of entry between the United States and Mexico. JOHN MOORE, Getty Images
    Public Citizen, a liberal advocacy group based in Washington, D.C., filed a Freedom of Information Act request demanding the public release of Kelly's order to determine whether it violates the Posse Comitatus Act.
    "The authorization of the military to use force within domestic borders is a matter of grave consequence for a nation under civilian rule," said Robert Weissman, president of Public Citizen. "Kelly's order should be published immediately for the public to understand exactly what he has authorized, whether the Trump administration is violating the law and what risk of violence may await asylum-seekers."
    Trump, who is spending the Thanksgiving holiday at his resort in Palm Beach, Florida, ordered the troops to the border following reports of a caravan of Central Americans inching its way toward the U.S. border. In the run-up to the midterm elections, he repeatedly described the caravan as an “invasion” and returned to the issue in a tweet Wednesday evening.
    "There are a lot of CRIMINALS in the Caravan. We will stop them. Catch and Detain!" Trump posted on Twitter. "Judicial Activism, by people who know nothing about security and the safety of our citizens, is putting our country in great danger. Not good!"
    Trump was likely referring to a ruling from a California judge on Monday that halted the administration's attempts to bar migrants who enter the country illegally from applying for asylum.
    The U.S. military has been deployed domestically to conduct law enforcement duties before, but only under laws passed by Congress.
    In 1991, Congress passed a law that allows the Pentagon to assist federal and state law enforcement officials during domestic anti-drug operations. That led to a 1997 incident in Texas where a Marine on a drug-surveillance mission shot and killed an 18-year-old who was herding goats on his family's ranch.
    A Congressional Research Service report in April concluded that the military could be deployed, but only if it was limited to “certain types of support” to law enforcement, such as conducting aerial surveillance, operating equipment, sharing intelligence and providing advice.
    But the report said the administration would run into legal trouble if it tasked the military with conducting law enforcement activities.
    "There must be a constitutional or statutory authority to use federal troops in a law enforcement capacity to stop aliens from entering the country unlawfully, or to apprehend gang members or seize contraband," the report found.

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    With the new orders, Michael Breen, president of Human Rights First, said the White House is officially "upping the ante" against migrants, and creating a hostile environment that could lead to deadly confrontations.
    Uh, sounds like he didn't get the memo.

    It's America First now.

    And rightly so.
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    These "migrants" created this hostile environment so Michael Breen should shut his pie hole!

    Bus 10,000 of them to his doorstep and dump them off with a tent!

    "Lead to deadly confrontations"...have that speech with the Angle Moms and all families who have been MURDERED by illegal aliens!

    KEEP THEM ALL OUT...WE ARE NOT THE DUMPING GROUND FOR THE WORLD!
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    Trump Signs Order Closing Border With Mexico, Authorizing Lethal Force

    Thu, 11/22/2018 - 20:27

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    Yesterday we reported that president Trump had authorized troops stationed at the border to act in a law enforcement capacity to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, including “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention. and cursory search.”
    That wasn't all: speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, the president said on Thursday that he also signed an order to close the U.S. border with Mexico, adding that he’s authorized troops to use lethal force against migrants who attempt to enter the U.S.




    “If they have to,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, claiming that at least 500 criminals are among migrants trying to enter the U.S. "So I’m not going to let the military be taken advantage of. I have no choice. Do I want that to happen? Absolutely not. But you’re dealing with rough people."
    Trump also said that he would welcome a partial shutdown of the government over “border security.”
    According to Bloomberg, Trump signed the order two days ago and that "I’ve already shutdown parts of the border" warning that the entire border may be closed if conflict with migrants escalates.
    "If we find that its uncontrollable,” he said, “if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control."
    "The whole border,” he clarified. "I mean the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them, not at great benefit to us."



    Still, details were missing as the White House hasn’t released the order and Trump wasn’t clear about his directive.
    Before the midterm elections Trump ordered the military to reinforce the southern border, repeatedly warning voters about a so-called “caravan” of migrants making its way from Central America to the U.S. His critics called the deployment a political stunt.
    As Bloomberg reminds us, next week Congress returns for its post-election “lame duck” session in which a top priority will be to authorize full fiscal 2019 spending plans for several agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, the IRS and the National Park Service. Temporary funding for the agencies expires Dec. 7. Congress already approved full-year spending for most of the U.S. government, meaning any shutdown would be limited.
    Trump has repeatedly threatened to veto spending bills if Congress continues to refuse to fund the wall, and with Democrats poised to take over the House in January, the president could force the issue in the lame-duck session.
    In its analysis of the midterm election consequences, Goldman predicted that under a divided Congress, there will be a substantial risk of shutdown at the next spending deadline in 2019, though whether it happens will depend on the political environment at that point. The debt limit will be reinstated March 1, 2019 Congress will need to raise it by August. As a further reminder, the two most disruptive debt limit debates in recent memory, in 2011 and 2013, both occurred in a divided Congress.

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    Trump Signs Order Closing Border With Mexico, Authorizing Lethal Force

    Fri, 11/23/2018 - 10:58
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    Yesterday we reported that president Trump had authorized troops stationed at the border to act in a law enforcement capacity to “perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary” to protect border agents, including “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention. and cursory search.”
    That wasn't all: speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, the president said on Thursday that he also signed an order to close the U.S. border with Mexico, adding that he’s authorized troops to use lethal force against migrants who attempt to enter the U.S.



    “If they have to,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, claiming that at least 500 criminals are among migrants trying to enter the U.S. "So I’m not going to let the military be taken advantage of. I have no choice. Do I want that to happen? Absolutely not. But you’re dealing with rough people."
    Trump also said that he would welcome a partial shutdown of the government over “border security.”
    According to Bloomberg, Trump signed the order two days ago and that "I’ve already shutdown parts of the border" warning that the entire border may be closed if conflict with migrants escalates.
    "If we find that its uncontrollable,” he said, “if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control."
    "The whole border,” he clarified. "I mean the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them, not at great benefit to us."



    Still, details were missing as the White House hasn’t released the order and Trump wasn’t clear about his directive.
    Before the midterm elections Trump ordered the military to reinforce the southern border, repeatedly warning voters about a so-called “caravan” of migrants making its way from Central America to the U.S. His critics called the deployment a political stunt.
    As Bloomberg reminds us, next week Congress returns for its post-election “lame duck” session in which a top priority will be to authorize full fiscal 2019 spending plans for several agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, the IRS and the National Park Service. Temporary funding for the agencies expires Dec. 7. Congress already approved full-year spending for most of the U.S. government, meaning any shutdown would be limited.
    Trump has repeatedly threatened to veto spending bills if Congress continues to refuse to fund the wall, and with Democrats poised to take over the House in January, the president could force the issue in the lame-duck session.
    In its analysis of the midterm election consequences, Goldman predicted that under a divided Congress, there will be a substantial risk of shutdown at the next spending deadline in 2019, though whether it happens will depend on the political environment at that point. The debt limit will be reinstated March 1, 2019 Congress will need to raise it by August. As a further reminder, the two most disruptive debt limit debates in recent memory, in 2011 and 2013, both occurred in a divided Congress.

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    Close that border now and make Mexico load them on buses and send them back BEFORE it gets worse.

    People will get hurt and die! The Mexican people do not want them either!

    DO NOT LET THEM IN!

    CAN TEXAS CLOSE THEIR OWN BORDER???? GOVERNOR ABBOTT....CLOSE YOUR BORDER!
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    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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