Thread: 'Make friends, not fences,' say border marchers (CA)

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'Make friends, not fences,' say border marchers
By Chris Moran
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
April 3, 2005

Dan Watman has led what he calls "border meet-ups" for the past year, in which small groups walk along the shore to the steel border fence to socialize, swap songs and do binational beach cleanups.

Yesterday Watman led about 50 border marchers to criticize a federal plan to build more fencing. He organized the peaceful protest under the slogan "Make friends, not fences."

"I honestly feel that one of the root causes of racism, violence and even terrorism is a misunderstanding between cultures," Watman said.

On Tuesday a group of Republican congressmen visited the San Diego-Tijuana border to promote legislation that would waive environmental protection laws and clear the way for completion of a 14-mile-long fence from the foothills of Otay Mountain to the Pacific Ocean.

In Arizona, a group of volunteers known as the Minuteman Project began monitoring smuggling routes Friday with the intention of calling the Border Patrol when they spot immigrants crossing the border.

Enrique Morones of Border Angels, a group that puts water and blankets in the desert for migrants who use remote routes to circumvent beefed-up border security near San Diego, participated in yesterday's march as a response to the Minuteman Project.

"If they don't realize that so many people are against them, they're going to come to San Diego," Morones said. He said he'll be leading a peaceful protest in Arizona next week.

Some of the marchers who walked a mile and a half from a parking lot at the end of Dairy Mart Road to the border fence on the beach advocated open borders. Some carried signs for workers' rights; others decried the environmental damage that would be wrought by the $58 million fence project; and others shouted anti-Border Patrol slogans.

The overarching theme of the march, though, was to build bridges of understanding with Mexicans. The walk ended with speeches near a fence so corroded that at one point a man easily slipped through a gap before returning to the Tijuana side.

A group of marchers on the south side of the fence, joined by migrants and other bystanders, met the U.S. contingent. They shook hands through the fence, had conversations and took photographs of one another.

Manuel Ojeda Martin, a migrant from Mexico City who said he intends to cross into the United States, was disappointed to hear about plans to build more fencing.

"We're not coming with the intention of robbing anyone; we're coming to work," he said. He said that Friday night he had intended to cross but saw seven of his friends get beaten and apprehended by Border Patrol agents on the beach.

A Border Patrol spokesman said he did not have information about any such arrests or confrontations on the beach.

David Flietner of the California Native Plant Society said species such as Shaw's agave and Brand's phacelia would be threatened by the plan that includes three fences and two access roads.

The California Coastal Commission ruled last year that the Border Patrol proposal to bulldoze 5.7 million cubic yards of soil from the border hills to create an access road was more destructive to the environment than necessary.

The congressmen visiting last week said it would prevent smuggling and illegal immigration and that border protection is a matter of national security.

Dan Watman has led what he calls "border meet-ups" for the past year, in which small groups walk along the shore to the steel border fence to socialize, swap songs and do binational beach cleanups.

Cleanups? Good, then you can start by cleaning up the trash in the desert that your criminal buddies down south leave behind when they illegally cross our borders.

Yesterday Watman led about 50 border marchers to criticize a federal plan to build more fencing. He organized the peaceful protest under the slogan "Make friends, not fences."

I thought illegals and their advocates are too busy doing the jobs that no American will take. They can do that and have time for protests? Something doesn't seem right here folks.

"I honestly feel that one of the root causes of racism, violence and even terrorism is a misunderstanding between cultures," Watman said.

Surely it would have nothing to do with your extremism and your third world criminals pushing their crappy lanugage and failed culture down our throats and then have the audacity to scream racism and claim permanent victim status when the will of the people objects.

Enrique Morones of Border Angels, a group that puts water and blankets in the desert for migrants who use remote routes to circumvent beefed-up border security near San Diego, participated in yesterday's march as a response to the Minuteman Project.

Illegal immigration is a crime and so is aiding and abetting illegals. Please Enrique get a clue: http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

"If they don't realize that so many people are against them, they're going to come to San Diego," Morones said. He said he'll be leading a peaceful protest in Arizona next week.

Wait a minute, let me get this straight. You mean if they know we don't want them here, they will obey the law and go home? What a concept. Only you know we don't want them here and yet you still push these illegals on us? If this isn't blatant aiding and abetting of an invasion then you show me what is. This guy should be thrown in prision.

Some of the marchers who walked a mile and a half from a parking lot at the end of Dairy Mart Road to the border fence on the beach advocated open borders. Some carried signs for workers' rights; others decried the environmental damage that would be wrought by the $58 million fence project; and others shouted anti-Border Patrol slogans.

Illegals have no right to work in this country either. Environmental damages caused by a fence? What are they talking about? That's nothing, but nonsense. If that were the case then we would be living in an absolute cesspool of a country. Think about it. Tens of millions of homes and communities have fences or walls. If fences and walls could do environmental damage then what do you think would have happened to our environment in general by now? OBL and left wing wackos are just so stupid and pathetic. Even an educated third grader could destroy their talking points.

The overarching theme of the march, though, was to build bridges of understanding with Mexicans.

Whatever? Are these the same Mexicans that hold nothing, but hatred and contempt for our laws, our land, our sovereignty and our nation in general. If that's the case then I don't want to understand them or tolerate them. I want them gone period, end of story. If they come here legally and want to become Americans and put their nation (America) ahead of ethnicity then I'll be more than happy to understand them. Until then you people can shut up for all I care.

A group of marchers on the south side of the fence, joined by migrants and other bystanders, met the U.S. contingent. They shook hands through the fence, had conversations and took photographs of one another.

Gee how touching. Traitors shaking hands and conversing with foreign criminals. It's all fun and games until one of these foreign criminals steals your job and/or committs a serious crime against you which is more than what these traitorous OB clowns deserve.

Manuel Ojeda Martin, a migrant from Mexico City who said he intends to cross into the United States, was disappointed to hear about plans to build more fencing.

"We're not coming with the intention of robbing anyone; we're coming to work," he said. He said that Friday night he had intended to cross but saw seven of his friends get beaten and apprehended by Border Patrol agents on the beach.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHA this one takes the cake here. We're not coming with the intention of robbing anyone? That's classic. That would be like me saying that I have no intention on trying to date and/or marry a hot woman. Come on, this is beyond laughable. I love how he said he was dissappointed to hear about our plans to build more fences. What does this clown think that we are just going to sit by and allow him to waltz in and invade our country and we do nothing? Well I guess when our Cowardly Liar in Chief Jorge W Bush supports that kind of behavior then I could see why he thinks that way. I feel bad for this guy. We should just tear down those walls immediately because we don't want to dissappoint our amigos like that.

David Flietner of the California Native Plant Society said species such as Shaw's agave and Brand's phacelia would be threatened by the plan that includes three fences and two access roads.

Who cares? And Shaw's agave and Brand's phacelia mean what to me? Never heard of them so that tells you how important they are to me. What the hell is a agave and phacelia? Is that like medical marijuana? Who cares? So saving a couple of plants is more important then securing our country from an invasion and a terrorist attack? Sorry, don't think so.

The California Coastal Commission ruled last year that the Border Patrol proposal to bulldoze 5.7 million cubic yards of soil from the border hills to create an access road was more destructive to the environment than necessary.

Oh yeah that's a credible source of info for ya. A commission full of communists, hippies, red diaper doper babies, ex stoners and lazy corrupt government officals is suppose to sway me with some sophomoric rhetoric and a phantom report? They can go pack sand.

Lets get one thing straight OBL's. Why do you think most homeowners build fences around their properties? Duh, it's to keep intruders out you morons. Or in your PC fantasy world undocumented guests. So why do we build fences around our borders? To keep invaders out which includes your undocumented wage thieves.

If Mexico is such a great friend then why don't you OBL types just renounce your citizenship and go move over to that cesspool? Yeah Mexico is our friend. With friends like Mexico and Jorge Bush, who needs enemies?

dman1200,

You talk back to these liberal crime-aiding environment-worshipping crybabies so well you should cut, copy and paste your forum post into e-mail and send it off!

Originally Posted by Chris Moran, Union-Tribune, Apr 3

...one of the root causes of racism, violence and even terrorism is a misunderstanding between cultures...

Since when is Mexican a race. My God, where did this sorely uninformed progressive get his education? The definition of race is arguable but Mexican is not in the mix. Neither is Canadian, French, Honduran or Icelandian. This is one of the facts that needs to be distributed to the 200 million interested US citizens. It's not about race. It's about Mexico! Yes, and a plethora of other countries with desperate people who want what we have and cannot get it legally. It's not different from other crimes and it's a felony to boot. The growing hysteria on this subject may tear the country apart but our Constitution and the underpinning laws will prevail for the good part that survives. I believe CA Rep. Sonny Bono summed it up best when he was asked about the illegal alien problem. He replied simply, "It's illegal."

Dan Watman has led what he calls "border meet-ups" for the past year, in which small groups walk along the shore to the steel border fence to socialize, swap songs and do binational beach cleanups.

I think he is looking for some backbone.

"I honestly feel that one of the root causes of racism, violence and even terrorism is a misunderstanding between cultures," Watman said.

I don't misunderstand them sneaking into our country.

"We're not coming with the intention of robbing anyone; we're coming to work," he said.

Work in Mexico.

David Flietner of the California Native Plant Society said species such as Shaw's agave and Brand's phacelia would be threatened by the plan that includes three fences and two access roads.

Tough. I prefer to not be overrun by illegals.

The California Coastal Commission ruled last year that the Border Patrol proposal to bulldoze 5.7 million cubic yards of soil from the border hills to create an access road was more destructive to the environment than necessary.

Any surprise that California is the illegal capital of North America?

The congressmen visiting last week said it would prevent smuggling and illegal immigration and that border protection is a matter of national security.

Finally a person with a clue.