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    The Civil War Continues After 144 Years (14th Amendment)

    April 17, 2009

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    The Civil War Continues After 144 Years

    By Raoul Lowery Contreras

    600,000 soldiers died fighting for or against slavery, racism and preservation of the Union between 1861 and 1865. Out of that war came the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the Constitution. The 13th declared slavery dead. The 15th extended voting rights to those denied by slave status or skin color, which of course, white Southern America ignored for a hundred years.

    More importantly, the 14th defined citizenship by birth, “equal protection of the lawsâ€
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    Well Ed, you don't mind if we pass this initiative and then take it to the Supreme Court to see what they have to say about it do you?

    I do wonder tho how good those guys writing this initiative are at arguing a Supreme Court case, we are going to need the best Constitutional lawyers to win this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman
    Well Ed, you don't mind if we pass this initiative and then take it to the Supreme Court to see what they have to say about it do you?

    I do wonder tho how good those guys writing this initiative are at arguing a Supreme Court case, we are going to need the best Constitutional lawyers to win this.
    ABOUT THE AUTHOR
    As a graduate student Ted Hilton became a scholar of Constitutional Law, and over the last 17 years has researched the 14th Amendment's original intent, the debates written in the Congressional Globe, along with the study of numerous United States Supreme Court citizenship and jurisdiction cases.

    One of his degrees is in Mexican-American Studies. He has studied, taught, and written about this population beginning in the 1970's. Ted has lived and studied in Chile and visited extensively throughout Latin America.

    On May 4, 1991, at the border, Ted Hilton held the world’s first press conference on biometric identification for one of its creators, George Warfel, who had recently testified before Congress. Mr. Warfel unveiled the ID as a tool to stop illegal immigration.

    September 1991, Ted Hilton attended with an official County of San Diego delegation to meet with representatives and lobby in Washington, D.C. for immigrant impact funds due San Diego County from the 1986 amnesty. At the HUD office under Jack Kemp a representative stated illegal aliens are permitted in public housing.

    His background includes holding the first daytime demonstrations along the border and in various communities around San Diego County beginning in 1990, demonstrating to worldwide media the lack of border fencing, and illegal migrant camps with fires in public parks and on private property. In 1991, Ted spoke in person to Leslie Stahl from 60 Minutes asking her to do a segment on the out of control border, but she did not see that as a major problem or future story.

    Ted Hilton is the original author and first to submit the legislation to the state’s Legislative Counsel in 1992 for issuance of the California driver’s licenses to only citizens and lawfully residing residents. SB 976 was written from this text. His proposed initiatives from the early 1990's were later sent to Rep. Sensenbrenner who was crafting the federal Real ID Act of 2005, in which several of the provisions are now included.

    Ted Hilton has authored several commentary op-eds; a ground-breaking call to end public school education to illegal aliens in the Sacramento Bee, February, 1992.

    On March 4, 1994, Ted Hilton's article on the 14th Amendment was published in The Daily Journal, the legal newspaper for Los Angeles County. The newspaper stated it would research the article for accuracy before printing, and the editors entitled it "Unconstitutional Citizenship." The article revealed the truth about the original intent of the subject to the jurisdiction clause and called on the state to stop registering births to those here unlawfully.

    In 1995, the Los Angeles Times printed his article on how to improve identification to stop services to illegal migrants, prevent welfare fraud, and deter criminals.

    He has worked closely on the text with the state's attorneys and others in Washington, D.C. to create the latest version of the initiative that is now launched for the June, 2010 ballot.
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    Just find a lawyer that can read the 14th Amendment without skipping over the part that says "and under its jurisdiction". Problem solved.

    Illegal aliens are not under our jurisdiction, they can scamper to their embassy on our soil and we can't touch them. They are under the "jurisdiction" of the country where they are citizens and thus so are their children who are born with automatic birthright citizenship or automatic eligibility for citizenship in the country of their parents citizenship whether they are born here or back home. Either way, whether they have automatic birthright citizenship or automatic eligibility for citizenship in their home country, those children are NOT under the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of their birth.

    This giving them de facto citizenship through bureaucratic bungling is a travesty of monumental proportions against the standing of actual natural born citizens and naturalized US citizens.
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    There are MILLIONS of anchor babies here.

    When they turn 18 they get to sponsor their parents, grand parents, siblings and kids to come here too.

    When that new group gets their citizenship they too get to sponsor their parents, grand parents, siblings and kids to come here.

    It's called "Chain Migration", and it never stops.


    ARE YOU READY FOR EVERYONE IN MEXICO TO COME HERE ?
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    And the problem is??????????

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    The definition of the 14th Amendment should be in the Supreme Court immediately while there are still plenty of conservative members. I doubt if our founding fathers could ever imagine this country would be so successful that the rest of the world would try entry by any means possible to take advantage of our success for their own greed. Nor did they probably ever think we would let them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vortex
    The definition of the 14th Amendment should be in the Supreme Court immediately while there are still plenty of conservative members. I doubt if our founding fathers could ever imagine this country would be so successful that the rest of the world would try entry by any means possible to take advantage of our success for their own greed. Nor did they probably ever think we would let them.
    Yeah I many of the Declaration of Independence signers are spinning in their graves, the ones who were hung for treason or died broke because of the Revolution, wondering why "their posterity" is giving away everything that they sacrificed their lives for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy
    Just find a lawyer that can read the 14th Amendment without skipping over the part that says "and under its jurisdiction". Problem solved.
    You mean find Federal Judges that don't skip that part and the Senate discussion related to it.
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