Judy wrote:
Except ACORN. But what could be wrong with an endorsement from ACORN?Quote:
Theee are no pro-immigration groups endorsing her.
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Judy wrote:
Except ACORN. But what could be wrong with an endorsement from ACORN?Quote:
Theee are no pro-immigration groups endorsing her.
And look at this. Remember all that bull crap Glenn Beck was babbling about concerning the Working Families Party endorsing Dede Scozzafava and their being some affiliate of ACORN. Well, tonight on Hannity, Anne Coulter said the same thing and she could never support a Republican endorsed by Working Families Party that's somehow connected to George Soros, so I thought I would investigate just who they really are, and guess what I stumbled across ... they aren't endorsing Dede, they're endorsing Bill Owen, the Democrat.
http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/200 ... -in-ny-23/
"October 9th, 2009
"Elections 2009, NY-23
"Bill Owens, the WFP nominee for Congress in NY-23
"Bill Owens, the WFP nominee for Congress in NY-23
"NEW YORK - Today, the New York Working Families Party announced its endorsement of candidate Bill Owens in the special election for New York’s 23rd Congressional District.
"Rick Oppedisano, Co-Chair of the Central New York Working Families Chapter, offered the following statement about the endorsement:
"“In this economic crisis, the North Country needs a champion in Congress who will put people before politics.
""Bill Owens knows how to create jobs because he has already helped bring more than 2,000 of them to upstate New York. And when it comes to stopping the outsourcing of work, he’s gone above and beyond by pushing to expand promising new green industries and working to bring economic opportunities back into the U.S. from Canada.
""As a military veteran and a proven job-creator, we know Bill Owens will put the interests of local working families first.â€
Read the post above. ACORN didn't endorse her. Glenn, Rush, Sarah, Tim, Fred, Rick, Dick, Michelle, et al lied about that. They LIED ABOUT THAT. The organization they're talking about that Glenn Beck says is "linked" to ACORN and Ann Coulter says is "linked" to George Soros that they claim endorsed Dede, is the Working Families Party that actually endorsed the Democratic candidate, Bill Owen, on October 9, 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by builditnow
Fruit Balls! Dishonest pieces of lying "conservative" globalist crap. I told you, we're in a Period of Ironies and Opposites, i. e. treachery and lies, the very condition that brought down the Roman Empire.
:evil:
Well, that is scary. So Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, and the Minutemen are all lying globalist pieces of crap, and are not really conservatives. Thats the reason they all endorsed Hoffman. I can see now why you're scared. Only you are seeing the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
Oh yes, they are all definitely lying about this woman in rural New York, I've proven that.Quote:
Originally Posted by builditnow
Oh, I'm not scared. These crapsters will be defeated, if not today, then tomorrow. When you use your national identity or power to lie about people, for no valid reason, then there is some other sinister reason you're lying about someone. And when the person who benefits from these wicked tales or hopes to turns out to be a pro-amnesty, pro-immigration, pro-free trade treason globalist, then obviously your lies are to advance that person into the US House of Representatives to do what you know the Republican candidate would never do.
Treachery. Pure and Simple.
Judy wrote:
Judy, I’m going to say this one more time. I was supporting Hoffman because yes, I did think it was a good way to send a message to the GOP. We can agree to disagree on whether or not the GOP needs to have a message sent to them. I did NOT know at the time that Hoffman had not stated a stance against amnesty.Quote:
So, I have no idea what "message" you feel you should be sending to the GOP Republicans in New York, but if you think supporting a pro-immigration, pro-amnesty, pro-free trade treason globalist fruit ball is going to get you anywhere with whatever you're trying to achieve, then you are tragically mistaken.
It would have been great if you could have just provided that info. If you had just assumed other ALIPACers simply did not yet have that info. If so, this whole discussion wouldn't have happened.
But your continued accusations and attacks such as quoted above, both here and on the other thread about this, are uncalled for. I have repeatedly said that the issue of illegal immigration is my top priority. That is usually one of the first things I check about a candidate. I already said I admittedly had not done so in this case. I would not work on a candidate’s campaign, nor donate money, nor vote for him/her until I knew. I have done so recently with local candidates in my own state being supported by groups such as 9-12. I was recently going to attend a grassroots training seminar, but checked out the sponsor first to make sure they weren't open-borders globalists.
[b]The difference is I would just inform other 9-12ers of that candidate’s or group's stance on the issue, in case they didn’t realize it. I would not assume the worst of them, and accuse them of wanting to support a “a pro-immigration, pro-amnesty, pro-free trade treason globalist fruit ballâ€
I didn't start this thread to discuss this issue with you. I started this thread to inform the people on this forum and everyone who views it that the conservative candidate, Doug Hoffman, being endorsed by Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Rick Santorum, Fred Thompson, Dick Armey, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh is pro-amnesty, pro-immigration and pro-free trade treason.
What anyone chooses to do with the information is up to them.
This information about Doug Hoffman is disturbing in regards to illegal immigration and comprehensive immigration reform. I made a call a few days ago to Governor Tim Pawlenty's office after seeing him on the Neil Cavuto show on FOX. The interview revolved around his support of Mr. Hoffman and Newt Gingrich's comments about Republicans supporting conservative, third party candidates versus liberal progressives masquerading as Republicans . Sarah Palin supports him also as mentioned previously.
You may want to contact Governor Pawlenty's Office, as I will do following the post of this comment, and let him know that Americans do not want amnesty candidates. More people need to know about Mr. Hoffman and Sarah Palin as it deals with comprehensive immigration reform. You cannot support jobs for the American people when you want 20-30 million people to take and steal those jobs. Americans have the right to strive for their American Dream, minus the theft from illegal aliens, and open borders, globalists, who want to allow the theft and demand that we pick up the tab for the fallout.
Hopefully, one or both of these political figures will adjust their thinking and realize that you can't garner the support of Americans with a push for illegal aliens and the eventual loss of more American jobs as the result.
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http://www.timpawlenty.com/doughoffman? ... nAodbik6OwQuote:
Gov. Tim Pawlenty Endorses Doug Hoffman in the NY-23 Special Election
Gov. Pawlenty today made the following statement endorsing Doug Hoffman in the special election in New York's 23rd district:
"We cannot send more politicians to Washington who wear the Republican jersey on the campaign trail, but then vote like Democrats in Congress on issues like card check and taxes. After reviewing the candidates' positions, I'm endorsing Doug Hoffman in New York's special election. Doug understands the federal government needs to quit spending so much, will vote against tax increases, and protect key values like the right to vote in private in union elections."
Use the form below to share your own message of support for Doug Hoffman.
Psam 139:14
The lady that answered at Governor Pawlenty's number said that I could leave a voicemail message on the comment line which I did. Emails would be appropriate to say, "No to Amnesty" candidates and Comprehensive Immigration Reform.
Psalm 139:14
Great action, GeorgiaPeach! We should all hammer Pawlenty with phone calls, emails and faxes.
Since this thread sorta burst my bubble about Hoffman, I did my own research and found the following:
Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Hoffman vs. Socialism [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
That's how a new Eagle Forum PAC ad in upstate New York puts the congressional election there:
"Barack Obama's Socialist agenda is bankrupting America. Can he be stopped? That's a question that north country and Central New York will answer on Election Day - because the only way to stop Obama is to elect someone who will stand up to him. And that's Doug Hoffman.
"Doug Hoffman is a CPA, a business owner and civic leader who's gained the attention of conservative activists across America. Why? Because Hoffman is the only one committed to fighting Obama's socialized medicine schemes and his big government bailouts. Only Hoffman will oppose Obama's radical green agenda. And Hoffman's the only one to take on Obama's assault on marriage and the unborn. Doug Hoffman backs your gun rights and only Doug Hoffman opposes amnesty and government handouts for illegal aliens.
"Doug Hoffman for Congress. Because if you want to stop Obama, elect someone who will stand up to him. And the only choice is Doug Hoffman. That's why Phyllis Schlafly's Eagle Forum PAC paid for this ad and is solely responsible for its contents."
[url]http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjEwNTkxZDE4MjE4ZmVjOWZjYjc4YjFiNTk4NDgzMTM=
But he does support amnesty. Isn't this amnesty as we know it in his own words on his own website:Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
"Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
"There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States – and to work here – while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes."
http://www.doughoffmanforcongress.com/i ... mmigration
That's McCain and Graham Shamnesty, i. e. Amnesty, right out of the National Council of La Raza and Club for Growth Amnesty Play Book. National Council of La Raza says "oh noes that's not amnesty, that's Comprehensive Immigration Reform."
Comprehensive Immigration Reform = Amnesty.
Doug Hoffman supports comprehensive immigration reform to legalize all illegal aliens so they can find a path to enter our country and work here and put Americans out of work as well as sign up for government handouts when they can't make ends meet on deflated or concealed cash wages. After all, when you've given them a "path to enter our country and work here", they're legal immigrants and entitled to every government handout we have available.
Hoffman isn't who you think he is.
From the rfirst link in your article, snakeoil:
"Spin from a debate we haven't even seen
JUDE SEYMOUR
First published: October 29, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Last modified: October 29, 2009 at 4:09 pm
"The WSYR Newschannel 9 debate between the three 23rd Congressional District candidates finished just about an hour ago - but Central and Northern New Yorkers won't see it until it airs at 7 p.m. tonight on that Syracuse station and WWTI MyABC50, Watertown.
"That time lag didn't stop Dede Scozzafava's campaign from declaring, yet again, that their candidate dominated when it came to the debate.
""Today, Bill Owens and Doug Hoffman showed voters who they really are: two multimillionaire peas in a multimillion dollar pod who are willing to do and say whatever it takes to get elected," said Matt Burns, spokesman for Dede for Congress, in a statement.
""Bill Owens unquestionably earned his endorsement from Governor Paterson this afternoon," Mr. Burns said. "Owens' vision for higher taxes and socialized medicine reinforce exactly why Nancy Pelosi is chomping at the bit to get him elected to Congress. Owens is a $750,000 a year trial lawyer who has lied throughout this campaign about creating 2,000 jobs. It's no wonder he's been running scared from debating Dede the past few months. The voters of this area are tired of tax and spend politicians like Bill Owens and they will reject his policies on November 3rd.
""It's disgraceful that Doug Hoffman came out of hiding only five days before the election to debate Dede, but judging from his performance today, I can understand why. Doug Hoffman likes to speak in platitudes and appear on cable television and talk radio, but he's unable to speak about the issues which matter most to the people of the 23rd Congressional District. His stubborn refusal to accept earmarks for worthwhile projects at Fort Drum could not only harm the men and women of our Armed Services, but could also jeopardize the future of Drum.
""Dede Scozzafava is the only candidate in this race who has a track record of getting things done for the people of Upstate New York. This afternoon, Dede clearly articulated her message for strengthening our economy, lowering taxes, and providing Fort Drum and the men and women of our Armed Services with the tools they need to protect our country. Dede's strong performance today demonstrated precisely why local Republican leaders, local elected officials, the National Rifle Association, and Newt Gingrich are supporting her candidacy.""
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And an interesting comment:
"Post-debate spin
JUDE SEYMOUR
First published: October 28, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Last modified: October 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm
"The public debate at SUNY Plattsburgh is over, and the campaign of Bill Owens, the Democrats' candidate in the 23rd Congressional District is the first out declaring victory.
"Tonight, Bill Owens made it clear that he is the only candidate in this race with a real plan to get Upstate New York's economy back on track," said Jon Boughtin, his spokesman, in a statement. "Both Republicans want to go back to the George Bush economic agenda despite the fact that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy would add $500 billion to a deficit that is already out of control. While neither Republican candidate has an alternative plan to get us out of this mess, Bill made clear that his priority is reducing the deficit, creating jobs and moving our economy forward. His experience helping create jobs, his plan to continue that work in Congress, and his commitment to reducing the deficit is what upstate New York needs right now to turn the page on the Bush economic agenda."
"Ms. Scozzafava's team is right behind.
"Watching Bill Owens on stage tonight made it abundantly clear why he's been dodging debates for the past few months, and why Governor Paterson is supporting his campaign," said Matt Burns, spokesman for Dede for Congress, in a statement. "Owens is wrong on the economy, wrong on healthcare, wrong on Afghanistan, and he's clueless about issues important to residents of Upstate New York - but what do you expect from a $750,000 a year lawyer? Owens also failed to account for the 2,000 jobs which he claimed to create for this area. Above all, Owens demonstrated that he's unfit to serve this community in our nation's capitol. It's a disservice to voters that tonight's debate - only six days before the election - is the first of just two occasions where Owens will directly address questions by the people of Upstate New York."
""It's deeply troubling that Doug Hoffman failed to show up to tonight's debate, especially since he was only minutes away from the SUNY Plattsburgh campus" said Assemblywoman Janet L. Duprey, R-Peru. "With only six days left until the election, voters know absolutely nothing about Doug Hoffman other than what we've seen on 30-second television ads produced by special interest groups in Washington, DC. It's high time that Doug Hoffman comes out of hiding and starts answering questions about issues that matter most to voters of the 23rd Congressional District. Would Doug Hoffman cut funding for Fort Drum? Will Hoffman explain his flip-flopping on earmarks? Will Doug Hoffman heed the calls of GOP leaders to withdraw from the race and endorse Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava?"
"Personally, I think the real victors were the potential voters who got to question Mr. Owens and Republican Dede Scozzafava on the issues important to them. I tuned in only briefly, but I heard some good questions about health care and schools.
"Tonight's losers? The people who may be considering voting for Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman and came to see what he was all about. He didn't show as expected."
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/section/blogs09
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Hoffman didn't show up for the debate. He's a flip-flopper. He's a free trade traitor. He's a liar. He's a multi-millionaire money manager. He's backed by globalists. And he supports amnesty and more immigration.
Seems to me Hoffman is the perfect profile of the flops we don't want in the US Congress, no matter what party he flips to.
:)
I know it's disappointing when people you think and hope may be the answer and they turn out only to be more wolves in sheep's clothing. But there is no doubt at all, none whatsoever, that Hoffman will support amnesty and expanded free trade policy. How he deceived the Minuteman PAC into believing otherwise is something they'll have to explain to their contributors and supporters.
In this battle, we know that when you support a "path" for more immigrants to enter and work here, and only want to enforce laws against "criminal illegal aliens", then you support Amnesty, Shamnesty and Comprehensive Immigration Reform. We also know that when you oppose government handouts to illegal aliens but support a path for more immigrants to enter and work here, that you support government handouts to illegal aliens you've legalized through that "path".
Judy,
THANK YOU for pointing that out - before I sent him any money. Can't trust any of these rascals.
Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum is adamantly opposed to any type of amnesty. Surely they checked this out, yet Mr. Hoffman's words lead us to believe something else.
Psalm 139:14
You're most welcome, and no we can't trust any of these rascals. I feel sorry for people who may have already donated to his campaign based on these false advertisements and phony endorsements. They're mincing the word "amnesty" with the reality of Shamnesty and Comprehensive Immigration Reform.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuropeanDescendant
I say give the guy a chance to rectify and clarify his stance, maybe at the time he put that statement up he wanted to pander a little bit.... I'm pretty sure that we do have some candidates that are going to pop up and take advantage of the disenfranchisement. And don't forget we have people that always say that they are for amnesty but vote against it, when the people turn up the pressure. But we need his campaign office and Hoffman to let us know if he will be tough and change and retract his statements or if he stands by those values.
Sure give the guy a chance to clarify his positions. Give Dede a chance to correct the lies he told about her. Hey! Have a debate, a face-off, let the audience ask questions. Oh wait ... they did. Last night. Hoffman didn't show up even though he lives only a few minutes from where the debate was held which was outside the NY 23rd district and Dede and Bill Owen had to travel quite a ways to get there. Dede's wanted several debates but neither of her millionaire opponents wanted debates. She finally got one last night, but Doug Hoffman didn't show up.
I don't think he wants a face off on the issues.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
I should have added this for clarification.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2483/...eded5528_o.jpg
She isn't endorsed by ACORN "fronts". That's a lie. The Working Families Party endorsed Bill Owen, the Democratic candidate, on October 9, 2009. I posted that already but here it is again, straight from their website in their own words:
http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/200 ... -in-ny-23/
"WFP Endorses Bill Owens for Congress in NY-23
"Military veteran and proven job-creator will put the interests of North Country working families first
"October 9th, 2009
"Elections 2009, NY-23
"Bill Owens, the WFP nominee for Congress in NY-23
"NEW YORK - Today, the New York Working Families Party announced its endorsement of candidate Bill Owens in the special election for New York’s 23rd Congressional District.
"Rick Oppedisano, Co-Chair of the Central New York Working Families Chapter, offered the following statement about the endorsement:
"“In this economic crisis, the North Country needs a champion in Congress who will put people before politics.
"Bill Owens knows how to create jobs because he has already helped bring more than 2,000 of them to upstate New York. And when it comes to stopping the outsourcing of work, he’s gone above and beyond by pushing to expand promising new green industries and working to bring economic opportunities back into the U.S. from Canada.
"As a military veteran and a proven job-creator, we know Bill Owens will put the interests of local working families first.â€
You are correct about the endorsement of Owen but you really need to read this article. The reason I want this brought out is because of her previous ties to these organizations who DO support amnesty. Her husband is also an active member in this. Here's a brief part:Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
The political blogosphere has been exploding these past couple weeks over a special congressional election in an unlikely portion of upstate New York. A key reason is the connections between the Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a virtual adjunct to the more reprehensible sectors of the Democratic Party. An ACORN front group, the Working Families Party (WFP), on October 9 formally endorsed the Democratic opponent in this tight three-person race. But the WFP has endorsed Scozzafava more than once in the past. And a major reason is that her husband, Ron McDougall, is an organizer for one of the unions that created the party back in the late Nineties. Scozzafava has yet to repudiate either ACORN or the WFP.
Deidre "Dede" Scozzafava isn't a typical Republican. Despite her support for gun rights (she's received an endorsement from the National Rifle Association), she is a reliable supporter of Democratic initiatives. She supports cap-and-trade anti-global warming legislation, the $787 billion Obama stimulus plan, and state-sanctioned gay marriage. More to the point, she is a strong supporter of federal "card check" legislation that would force private-sector employers to recognize a union as the sole collective-bargaining agent if a union organizing drive at a given work site generates signatures indicating more than 50 percent of affected workers want to join. Even by moderate Republican standards, in other words, she's on the left.
Second, and related to the first, Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party.
http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/10/...ed-acorn-front
snakeoil, Dede Scozzafava DOES NOT support cap and trade legislation!!Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
Look here from her own website:
"Energy
"Dede believes it's time for a direct, united, focused campaign to finally achieve energy independence. She supports an “all of the aboveâ€
Unfortunately, I can't vote in this election but if I could I would not support this Dede nor her like.
The facts are there: "Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party." Also, as I've referenced, she has been supported in the past by WFP. Unions support amnesty.
You can shill all you like about her but it won't play with me. The best part of all your defense of her has been to show me just how widespread the lies and corruption are in this country. Go Doug Hoffman!!
What union is Ron McDougall associated with and what Unions support amnesty?!Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
http://www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/
Communications Workers of America, one of the Working Families Party contributing unions, doesn't sound too enthralled with legal immigrants let alone, illegal aliens.
I've so far not been able to find one article that says what union Dede's husband supposedly works for. Has anyone else? Or is a claim that someone's husband is a "big union man" without any details or facts to back it up our new standard to oppose Republican candidates for Congress?
When did that happen?
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Battling Over Labor in NY-23
By Jimmy Vielkind
October 7, 2009
ALBANY—Both Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava and Bill Owens will make a pitch to the Jefferson-Lewis-St. Lawrence County Central Labor Council tonight in Gouverneur, hoping to win its endorsement.
The head of that organization, Ron McDougall, is Scozzafava's husband.
And the meeting comes after two endorsements for Scozzafava, a Republican. Last week, Scozzafava announced she was endorsed by the political arm of the United Auto Workers (McDougall is a UAW member) and today, announced the endorsement of the Plattsburgh-Saranac Lake Building Trades Council.
http://www.observer.com/5585/battling-over-labor-ny-23
The Daily Kos endorsed Scozzafava.
So Dede's husband is a member of the United Auto Workers and President or head of the local/regional labor council.Quote:
Originally Posted by hell2pay
Thank you, hell2pay.
From the Daily Kos:Quote:
Originally Posted by hell2pay
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/2 ... t-A-Glance
"NY-23: Scozzafava's Record At A Glance
"by robert harding
"Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 06:39:22 AM PDT
"Last night, Markos wrote that Republican Dede Scozzafava was "the most liberal candidate" in the 23rd congressional district race.
"This doesn't surprise. A lot of people, including people here in New York, have made the same argument. Part of it has to do with a lack of research on Scozzafava. The other half of it is a lack of information on the Democratic candidate Bill Owens, who conservatives call "liberal" and some progressives like Markos have called a "Blue Dog."
"After reading Markos' post multiple times, it seems he uses the following as important points for his "liberal" labeling of Scozzafava.
* robert harding's diary :: ::
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- "She has been endorsed in the past by the very progressive Working Families Party.
- "She is pro-choice and pro-marriage equality, which puts her at odds with the conservatives in the Republican Party.
- "She voted to raise taxes when budgets required it.
"First, those three points. The Working Families Party does endorse Republicans and allow them to run on their line. It happens, but they are more likely to back a Democratic candidate. Living in New York, my state senator is George Maziarz. He has been endorsed by the Working Families Party in the past because of his connections to people within the WFP.
"For Scozzafava, being backed by the WFP can be contributed to a few things. She ran unopposed in 2008 and was not on the Working Families line when she ran for re-election in 2006. She also was not on the line in the 2002 general election. The only times since redistricting in 2002 that she appeared on the WFP line was in 2004 and 2008. In both elections, she ran unopposed. Therefore, the WFP endorsements were more by default than anything. It's not as if she had to fight for those endorsements with another candidate.
"The pro-choice and pro-marriage equality positions are very good and is a breath of fresh air for a Republican. But just as we don't like it when Republicans try to define us based on social issues, we should not be guilty of the same when it comes to determining whether someone is progressive or not. Is she progressive on these issues? No doubt. But don't judge a book by its cover.
"The last point of Markos: She voted to raise taxes when budgets required it. In New York, that can be seen as a good and/or bad thing. There are good taxes and fees, bad taxes and fees and others that are somewhere in between. Any good progressive in New York will tell you that not all taxes are good and that not all taxes are bad. There is a middle ground. The problem in New York is that we have had too many regressive taxes and not enough progressive taxation. So giving Scozzafava credit for being liberal on this is misguided for the reasons I have shown.
"But aside from Markos' points, I also wanted to address some of the past votes Scozzafava has cast in the Assembly .
- An important issue for progressives in New York has been Rockefeller Drug Law Reform. A bill (A.6085) was passed in the Assembly and a deal was reached with both houses to reform the broken drug laws that led to extreme sentences for some of the most minor offenses. The roll call vote shows that Scozzafava voted against these reforms.
- Earlier this year, the Assembly passed a comprehensive gun package to combat gun violence and put laws in place to provide for better tracking of guns and provide for more accountability. The package includes 13 bills that were passed in the Assembly. Of those 13 bills, Scozzafava voted for only one. That bill was A.7733 and its purpose is to "Authorizes courts to revoke firearms license and seize the weapons of certain individuals." Essentially, if the person is a threat to the public, courts could take away the firearms license and weapons of that person.
"It is safe to say that Scozzafava is pro-gun and clearly anti-gun control of any kind. (I would give her credit for the single "Yea" vote, but it was a unanimous vote in the Assembly. Every Republican voted for it.)
"Also, keep in mind that the package came after the shootings in Binghamton, which was a national news story and led to immediate action in the Assembly.
"- Scozzafava's record on the environment is mixed, at best. She voted against the Bigger Better Bottle Bill, but voted for the Green Jobs bill that was unanimously passed in the Assembly. The Assembly passed a package of environmental bills earlier this year. Of the 14 bills included in the package, Scozzafava voted for six of the bills and against eight of them. These were bills that were supported by progressives and the Democratic conference in the Assembly.
"- Scozzafava voted against the Farmworkers Bill of Rights that passed the Assembly. This was seen as a pro-labor and pro-worker bill to support farm laborers who face unpleasant conditions in some instances.
"- Voted against a bill that would provide additional compensation for police officers in New York City that use a foreign language in the course of their duties. She also voted against legislation that would give the attorney general jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute police misconduct.
"- Voted against regulating the use of "no-knock" warrants and monitoring the use of all search warrants.
"- Cast a vote against the 2010 Campaign Finance Reform Act, which would provide "for optional partial public financing of certain election campaigns in this state." (Here is more on this legislation she voted against.)
"- Voted against a bill that would require restaurants (with 15 or more outlets in the U.S.) to post the caloric information of menu items. Also voted against a bill banning trans fats in restaurants.
"- Voted against legislation that would strengthen New York's laws against unfair debt collection practices. Also voted against "legislation requiring debt collection firms to provide consumers a written "Debtor's Bill of Rights" along with their initial debt collection communication."
"- Voted against expanding foreclosure protections. This bill included protections for tenants in property that is being foreclosed.
"- Among the many areas, one area that Scozzafava seems to have a consistent record of voting "no" in is housing. This year, the Assembly has passed 20 pieces of legislation related to housing. Of those 20 bills, Scozzafava voted against several of them. The bills she voted against include: A rent increase cap, rent increases linked to inflation rate, Section 8 housing being included in rent regulation, landlord rental unit recovery, affordable housing preservation, excessive rent increase shield and expansion of the Loft Law.
"The reality is this: When people say "don't judge a book by its cover", you should take their advice. The "cover" on Scozzafava was that she was this progressive Republican because she was backed by the WFP, supported a woman's right to choose and has been a supporter of marriage equality. But the "book" tells the whole story (as it usually does). Scozzafava has a few positions that are more liberal (on abortion and marriage equality) but most of her positions are, at best, moderate-to-conservative. More often than not, however, she is a conservative.
"One more thing: This statement on Scozzafava's website came after President Barack Obama's health care address a couple of weeks ago. One of the ideas she pushes? Tort reform. Not exactly the progressive approach to solving the health care crisis, but it's one of the first (if not THE first) things brought up by Scozzafava.
"The conclusion I draw from looking over numerous pieces of legislation is that Scozzafava on most issues is nothing more than your average Assembly Republican. Most of the votes that she did support the Democratic (or progressive) positions came when the whole Assembly voted unanimously for a bill. Scozzafava's conservative positions are not reflected in the mainstream media, where she is labeled a "liberal" because of her stances on two social issues that, while important, should never define any candidate and should never be the sole indicator of a candidate's ideology.
"I see Scozzafava as someone who is far from the Glenn Becks of the world. But that doesn't mean she is not conservative. The modern-day conservative is a different breed, but a lot of what Scozzafava stands for resembles an old school conservative. At best, she's a moderate with conservative leanings. At worst, she's a conservative Republican whose liberal stances on two social issues have given her an inaccurate label.
"Would she be a Susan Collins-type, as Markos suggested? Probably not. Her record has shown that she hasn't really been willing to buck the GOP party line on big issues (unless the whole GOP goes along with it). There are worse Republicans than Scozzafava, but she isn't someone I would depend on to cross party lines and vote on a Democratic (and/or progressive) issue."
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That's what I thought. The only time the WFP has endorsed her in the past is when she was running unopposed and there was no one else to vote for. Shame on you, Glenn Beck, Shame, Shame, Shame on you!
Based on her voting record, Republican Dede Scozzafava will vote the party line on immigration issues which is secure the borders, enforce US immigration law and no amnesty, because that's in the best interest of American Workers, the best interest of American Citizens, and for any true fiscal conservative, an absolute requirement. Doug Hoffman in his own words wants to increase immigration and provide a "path that makes it easier for people to enter the US -- and work here --" which means he's not a true fiscal conservative at all, he's a "growth" candidate which means population growth, which means increased immigration from every source, which we all know means illegal immigration as well as excessive legal immigration that creates more people than jobs in our country which has only 1 outcome and that is the bankruptcy of the United States from supporting people who either have no job or a job at such a deflated wage they can't sustain themselves or their families without government handouts and assistance.
She may even vote the party line on card check since there appears from a Weekly Standard interview that there's some confusion over that as well.
Finally, Dede Scozzafava did sign the Americans for Tax Reform Pledge not to raise taxes, despite lies by Doug Hoffman and Co. to the contrary.
http://www.atr.org/another-pledge-signe ... tion-a4038
"Another Pledge Signer in the NY-23 Special Election
"From Adam Radman on Friday, October 16, 2009 11:18 AM
"Yesterday, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge in her race to replace former Rep. John McHugh. Democrat Bill Owens is the only candidate not to sign the Pledge in this race.
"Dede Scozzafava (R-N.Y.) signs the Taxpayer Protection Pledge
"WASHINGTON, D.C. – Dede Scozzafava, a Republican running in New York’s 23rd Congressional district, recently signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge sponsored by Americans for Tax Reform (ATR). The Pledge commits signers to “oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses … and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.â€
You have done excellent work on researching the candidates and exposing the truth. The problem is obvious. NY 23 is , like most of America, in the unenviable position of choosing the "least worst" candidate. I may have misread your information, but my conclusion, so far, is they are all bad Americans and that Hoffman is the least bad. How can we get decent, conservative, honest people to run for office. Has America sunk so low that like Diogenes, we cannot find an honest person"'
I am in Georgia and there is an old joke about Diogenes here--"Diogenes came to Atlanta to search for an honest man. While downtown, someone stole his lantern from him and he had to stop his search."
Here is the Daily Kos article that I saw:
NY-23: The most liberal candidate leads (and it's not the Dem)
Thu Oct 01, 2009 at 02:22:03 PM PDT
Club for Growth darling Doug Hoffman is running on the Conservative Party line, and has even garnered the endorsement of Fred Thompson. The guy has legitimate traction, fueled by the fact that Dede Scozzafava, the Republican, is actually the most liberal candidate in the race. (Heck, she has run on the very liberalWorking Families Party ballot line in the past.)
Sure, she is a Republican, and opposes the public option. But she's been willing to raise taxes when budgets require it, and is to the left of most Democrats on social issues (including supporting gay marriage). That's why conservatives are panicked about her -- for a party that is becoming more regional, more conservative, more ideologically rigid, Scozzafava's brand of moderate conservatism is grating. Hence, Hoffman has a real shot at not just playing spoiler and undermining the GOP candidate's chances, but also of potentially winning.
The "Democrat" isn't even a Democrat -- he was a registered independent when selected by the district's Democratic county chairs for the special election. On social issues, he's pro-choice, but opposes gay marriage. On health care, he opposes a public option but doesn't have the balls to say so, so he talks all squishy like claiming he has no "litmus test" on the issue. He's a Lieberdem Blue Dog, and would strengthen the part of the Democratic caucus that is actually the problem, rather than the solution.
So who to root for? A Blue Dog who would strengthen the Democrats' corporatist faction, or a Republican version of a Lieberdem, who will probably be muzzled, but could -- if she remained true to her record in Albany -- be more of a Susan Collins-type Republican, a moderate in an ideologically rigid party willing to give the Dems fake "bipartisan" cover with crossover votes every once in a while.
If Republicans lose the seat, it'll dent that sense of momentum they believe is headed their way. If they win the seat, it will have been with a liberal Republican, suggesting that their path to electoral relevance in the northeast is to ditch the Southern-fueled ultra conservatism. Both are good for us.
If the Democrat loses the race, we lose nothing -- it was previously held by a Republican. If he wins the seat, we gain another obnoxious Blue Dog, undermining our caucus from within while adding just a single vote to our already dominant House majorities. Furthermore, the typical DC wankers will take this as "proof" that you need to run Lieberdems in such districts to win them, while ignoring the fragmented conservative opposition. Not much of an advantage at all. More than likely, a net disadvantage.
So it's official, I'm rooting for the Republican to win. As a congresswoman, she could either move even more to the left to properly represent her progressive-trending district and be a pain in the side of the GOP caucus (they have nothing like our Blue Dogs), or Democrats can field a real Democrat to challenge her in 2010.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... the-Dem%29
However, it now appears that the Kos guy has managed to get in a huff and take his endorsement back. :lol:
Oops! Daily Kos 'Unendorses' Scozzafava in NY-23 After Original Endorsement Backfires
By P.J. Gladnick
October 30, 2009
Oops!
Markos Moulitsas, founder of the Daily Kos, has discovered that his endorsement can be political poison. Such was the case with his endorsement at the beginning of this month of the very liberal Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, in the New York 23rd CD special election:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... dorsement-
IMO they all suck. But I would wonder about Dede Scozzafava's roots or where she came from. Is she going turn into someone who joins the CHC? Sorry if that sounds prejudiced but I am just sick of what appears to be Americans gong in, but turning into something else after they get there. :(
The UAW is the same union Ron McDougall is active in and the UAW supports amnesty! You stated that Hoffman supports amnesty yet you support a candidate who is tied to ACORN via WFA and she has been endorsed by WFA twice in the past. The last time was in 2008 with Obama!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
UAW statement:
"During 2008 the UAW will continue to work for fundamental reforms to our broken immigration system. We need to establish a system that is based on full, equal and enforceable rights for all workers, including immigrant and guest workers, and also includes a well-defined pathway for immigrant and guest workers to eventually adjust their status and become full fledged stakeholders in our nation".
http://www.uaw.org/cap/08/issues/issue09.php
Looks like she's done for anyway so this thread is moot.
October 30, 2009 11:03 AM 15 Comments
Scozzafava Collapses, Republicans Refocus »
By Elizabeth Benjamin
The events of the last 24 hours have pretty much clinched it: NY-23 is now officially a two-man race between the Democratic nominee Bill Owens and the Conservative Party upstart Doug Hoffman.
From NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions to former Gov. George Pataki to former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (through his operative, Jake Menges), Republicans are quickly abandoning their nominee, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava, and backing Hoffman in a last-ditch effort to keep former Rep. John McHugh's seat in GOP hands and, perhaps more importantly, deny the Obama administration a much-needed political victory.
"I think it’s now to a point where we’ve got to win the Republican seat; it’s not about liberal or conservative," said a GOP consultant. "It’s about if we don’t help (Hoffman) over the finish line, Owens is going to win."
"Dede’s out of it," the consultant continued. "The bottom has dropped out on her. She can’t win it. Looks like Sessions and the national Republicans are seeing that. It was a poor choice on Sessions' part to go with her in the first place."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailyp ... z0VRth1nAb
snakeoil, the only time the WFP endorsed the candidate I support is when she had no opponent. Out of a term for Mayor and 6 elections for state representative, the WFP (Working Families Party) has never, not once, endorsed her when she had an opponent. When she had an opponent, they always in every case endorsed Dede Scozzafava's opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
As to the UAW statement, they aren't promoting more immigration, they're saying they want full, equal and enforceable rights for all workers, including immigrant and guests workers. That's legal immigrant and visa workers, so American workers aren't disadvantaged by lower paid foreign workers. Today, the laws are different on that. Take foreign teachers hired by the Baltimore School System from the Philippines at $17,000 less than American teachers, to work in the toughest most undesirable districts. What the UAW is talking about is enforcing our immigration laws where foreign workers, legal foreign workers, are paid the same pay for equal work. This does two things. One, it prevents wage deflation for American Workers and two, with no wage advantage to hire the foreign workers, industry, business and government won't hire the foreign worker, because without a wage savings, why would they? They have to pay expensive brokerage fees, fill out a bunch of paperwork, pay their transportation and relocation costs, deal with language and cultural issues, so if there is no wage advantage, hiring a foreign workers is suddenly disadvantageus to employers, rather than advantageous. I support this position.
Then once they're here, the UAW is saying give them a chance to become citizens if they want so once when they join the union, they're a member for a long time, not a member for 6 years and then sent back to their home countries when their visa expires. I do not support this position.
The UAW isn't taking the position they want more immigration or legalization of illegal aliens. They're talking about legal immigration that's being used by our major corporations through the various Visa programs to hire foreign workers at a discount and deflate US wages which the UAW would like to see come to an end, a position I agree with.
Hoffman on the other hand is talking about illegal immigration being legalized to create a path for "more people to enter the country -- and work here."
That's quite different than what the UAW is talking about seems to me. The UAW may support amnesty, I don't know, but that statement isn't about amnesty, that statement is about wages and rights of legal immigrants on visas and guest worker permits, and covers the 1,500,000 legal immigrants we allow to enter the US legally every year.
Anyway, I guess we'll find out Tuesday what the people of NY23 want and we'll live with their decision, whatever it turns out to be.
:)
Judy, from your own post. Sound familiar? UAW has talking points straight from La Raza. What you quote about Hoffman supporting anmesty is the same thing from the quote I posted from the UAW! You can't call one candidate on amnesty without admitting the same exact stand and almost same wording from the UAW. Amnesty is amnesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judy
No, it isn't the same wording snakeoil. The UAW statement doesn't say anything about "more people to enter--and work here". That is Hoffman's goal, more immigrant workers, that is not the UAW's goal. Hoffman's statement doesn't say anything about "a system based on full, equal and enforceable rights for workers", which is the main thrust of the UAW statement. Again, I don't know if the UAW supports amnesty or not, they may, and there may be another statement or position out there that would support that contention, but this statement isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
And Dede isn't a member of the UAW. Her husband may be, but that doesn't mean she supports something just because he might. I'm very confident she's opposed to amnesty, she's law and order on her voting record, she's also a fiscal conservative on her voting record, she's also a Republican and will vote the party line on immigration issues.
It's a shame that such an important issue didn't get the attention in that race it deserved. Anyway, I guess we'll see what happens on Tuesday.
If that's true, that's a real shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by snakeoil
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Yippee!! It's not over 'til its over:
:)
http://24ahead.com/doug-hoffman-might-b ... orters-kno
"Doug Hoffman might be weak on immigration; do his supporters know he might cost them money?
"I'm not going to get into all of the issues surrounding the current race in upstate New York where conservative Doug Hoffman is battling against the establishment Republican candidate (Dede Scozzafava) and the Democrat (Bill Owens). However, Hoffman doesn't exactly appear to be Tom Tancredo when it comes to immigration issues, and this might be yet another example of the tea parties being useful idiots for someone whose actions will end up raising their taxes.
"From his site (link):
" Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
There is no question that our immigration policies are flawed. The answer, though, is not to put up a wall and stop all immigration. The answer is to create an easier path for immigrants to enter the United States - and to work here - while at the same time getting tough on illegal immigrants who commit crimes.
"The first sentence of his answer is the standard (and false) system is broken line used by hacks from San Diego to Lake Champlain; see the link for more. The second sentence is a false choice: few people are calling to "stop all immigration", and even those who are only want a moratorium and not a permanent cessation. The final sentence is almost assuredly code for some sort of guest workers program and probably is code for something akin to "deport the criminals first (and then amnesty)". The supposed conservative insurgent sounds more than a bit like George W Bush and others who supported some form of amnesty and guest worker programs. Now, maybe he just got tired and used boilerplate instead of actually coming up with a non-establishment GOP position, and if so he should specify exactly what he supports. Or, those in the area should go to his public appearances and ask him to specify what he supports.
"Also: Scozzafava doesn't appear to have her position on this issue on her site; the only thing I could find is:
"From dedeforcongress.com/news/read.aspx?id=5 comes this insignificant blurb:
"Conservatives for Dede Co-Chair Dwayne Martin said, "There are a lot of powerful interest groups in New York City and Washington, DC who think this race should be about their own national agenda — not about the issues that matter to us. Dede is a fiscal conservative with a record of creating jobs who will protect our Second Amendment rights, promote national security, reduce taxes and stand tough on illegal immigration. I have spent my career in law enforcement and I know that in Washington, Dede will support legislation to keep our families safe from criminals and terrorists at home and abroad. We are proud to strongly endorse her candidacy for the 23rd Congressional District."
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I knew it! I knew it! Dede Scozzafava will "stand tough on illegal immigration".
:D
Here's the entire news release:
"In The News
"Scozzafava Announces "Conservative for Dede"
"Friday, August 07, 2009
"Campaign Picks Up Support from Conservative Activists
"Dede Scozzafava, Republican and Independence Party candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, announced the formation of a grassroots conservative group that will support her bid to win the race for the 23rd Congressional District. The group "Conservatives for Dede" will work to organize Conservative activists across the district to knock on doors, make phone calls and "get out the vote" on Election Day. The group will be chaired by Dwayne Martin, a corrections officer in St. Lawrence County, and Donna Lawrence, owner of Lawrence Manor in Gouverneur.
"Conservatives for Dede Co-Chair Dwayne Martin said, "There are a lot of powerful interest groups in New York City and Washington, DC who think this race should be about their own national agenda — not about the issues that matter to us. Dede is a fiscal conservative with a record of creating jobs who will protect our Second Amendment rights, promote national security, reduce taxes and stand tough on illegal immigration. I have spent my career in law enforcement and I know that in Washington, Dede will support legislation to keep our families safe from criminals and terrorists at home and abroad. We are proud to strongly endorse her candidacy for the 23rd Congressional District."
""I am extremely honored and grateful for the support and encouragement that I have received from rank and file Conservatives," Scozzafava said. "I look forward to working with Conservatives across this district to promote our shared beliefs in individual rights and freedoms, lower taxes and spending, and a strong national defense."
"Martin added, "No one has their hooks in Dede Scozzafava. She has the integrity, strength of character and rugged independence that is unique to Northern New York. When she gets to Washington she will do what's right for the district."
"Co-Chair Donna Lawrence said, "As small business owners, we are worried that Washington has lost touch with just how difficult it is to run and grow a business. Too many in Washington believe that the best way to grow the economy is to replace individual initiative with a government program. We know that the best way to grow jobs and the economy is to protect our freedoms and empower the individual — it's the bedrock of conservative philosophy. Dede shares these beliefs and that's why we will be working hard to elect her as our representative."
""I look forward to campaigning with these common sense Conservative Party supporters and many more in the coming months to win this Congressional seat," said Scozzafava.
"Conservatives for Dede will also be setting up a Facebook page to encourage other Conservative Party members to join."
http://dedeforcongress.com/news/read.aspx?id=5
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