Thread: Conservative Candidate Doug Hoffman Supports Amnesty

Originally Posted by Judy

She isn't endorsed by ACORN "fronts". That's a lie. The Working Families Party endorsed Bill Owen, the Democratic candidate, on October 9, 2009.

You are correct about the endorsement of Owen but you really need to read this article. The reason I want this brought out is because of her previous ties to these organizations who DO support amnesty. Her husband is also an active member in this. Here's a brief part:

The political blogosphere has been exploding these past couple weeks over a special congressional election in an unlikely portion of upstate New York. A key reason is the connections between the Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a virtual adjunct to the more reprehensible sectors of the Democratic Party. An ACORN front group, the Working Families Party (WFP), on October 9 formally endorsed the Democratic opponent in this tight three-person race. But the WFP has endorsed Scozzafava more than once in the past. And a major reason is that her husband, Ron McDougall, is an organizer for one of the unions that created the party back in the late Nineties. Scozzafava has yet to repudiate either ACORN or the WFP.

Deidre "Dede" Scozzafava isn't a typical Republican. Despite her support for gun rights (she's received an endorsement from the National Rifle Association), she is a reliable supporter of Democratic initiatives. She supports cap-and-trade anti-global warming legislation, the $787 billion Obama stimulus plan, and state-sanctioned gay marriage. More to the point, she is a strong supporter of federal "card check" legislation that would force private-sector employers to recognize a union as the sole collective-bargaining agent if a union organizing drive at a given work site generates signatures indicating more than 50 percent of affected workers want to join. Even by moderate Republican standards, in other words, she's on the left.

Second, and related to the first, Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party.

http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/10/...ed-acorn-front

Originally Posted by snakeoil

Originally Posted by Judy

She isn't endorsed by ACORN "fronts". That's a lie. The Working Families Party endorsed Bill Owen, the Democratic candidate, on October 9, 2009.

You are correct about the endorsement of Owen but you really need to read this article. The reason I want this brought out is because of her previous ties to these organizations who DO support amnesty. Her husband is also an active member in this. Here's a brief part:

The political blogosphere has been exploding these past couple weeks over a special congressional election in an unlikely portion of upstate New York. A key reason is the connections between the Republican candidate, Dede Scozzafava, and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, a virtual adjunct to the more reprehensible sectors of the Democratic Party. An ACORN front group, the Working Families Party (WFP), on October 9 formally endorsed the Democratic opponent in this tight three-person race. But the WFP has endorsed Scozzafava more than once in the past. And a major reason is that her husband, Ron McDougall, is an organizer for one of the unions that created the party back in the late Nineties. Scozzafava has yet to repudiate either ACORN or the WFP.

Deidre "Dede" Scozzafava isn't a typical Republican. Despite her support for gun rights (she's received an endorsement from the National Rifle Association), she is a reliable supporter of Democratic initiatives. She supports cap-and-trade anti-global warming legislation, the $787 billion Obama stimulus plan, and state-sanctioned gay marriage. More to the point, she is a strong supporter of federal "card check" legislation that would force private-sector employers to recognize a union as the sole collective-bargaining agent if a union organizing drive at a given work site generates signatures indicating more than 50 percent of affected workers want to join. Even by moderate Republican standards, in other words, she's on the left.

Second, and related to the first, Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party.

http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/10/...ed-acorn-front

snakeoil, Dede Scozzafava DOES NOT support cap and trade legislation!!

Look here from her own website:

"Energy

"Dede believes it's time for a direct, united, focused campaign to finally achieve energy independence. She supports an “all of the aboveâ€

Unfortunately, I can't vote in this election but if I could I would not support this Dede nor her like.

The facts are there: "Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party." Also, as I've referenced, she has been supported in the past by WFP. Unions support amnesty.

You can shill all you like about her but it won't play with me. The best part of all your defense of her has been to show me just how widespread the lies and corruption are in this country. Go Doug Hoffman!!

Originally Posted by snakeoil

Unfortunately, I can't vote in this election but if I could I would not support this Dede nor her like.

The facts are there: "Scozzafava's husband, Ron McDougall, is a union man and an ally of the Working Families Party." Also, as I've referenced, she has been supported in the past by WFP. Unions support amnesty.

You can shill all you like about her but it won't play with me. The best part of all your defense of her has been to show me just how widespread the lies and corruption are in this country. Go Doug Hoffman!!

What union is Ron McDougall associated with and what Unions support amnesty?!

http://www.cwalocal4250.org/outsourcing/

Communications Workers of America, one of the Working Families Party contributing unions, doesn't sound too enthralled with legal immigrants let alone, illegal aliens.

I've so far not been able to find one article that says what union Dede's husband supposedly works for. Has anyone else? Or is a claim that someone's husband is a "big union man" without any details or facts to back it up our new standard to oppose Republican candidates for Congress?

When did that happen?

Battling Over Labor in NY-23
By Jimmy Vielkind
October 7, 2009

ALBANY—Both Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava and Bill Owens will make a pitch to the Jefferson-Lewis-St. Lawrence County Central Labor Council tonight in Gouverneur, hoping to win its endorsement.

The head of that organization, Ron McDougall, is Scozzafava's husband.

And the meeting comes after two endorsements for Scozzafava, a Republican. Last week, Scozzafava announced she was endorsed by the political arm of the United Auto Workers (McDougall is a UAW member) and today, announced the endorsement of the Plattsburgh-Saranac Lake Building Trades Council.

http://www.observer.com/5585/battling-over-labor-ny-23

The Daily Kos endorsed Scozzafava.

Originally Posted by hell2pay

Battling Over Labor in NY-23
By Jimmy Vielkind
October 7, 2009

ALBANY—Both Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava and Bill Owens will make a pitch to the Jefferson-Lewis-St. Lawrence County Central Labor Council tonight in Gouverneur, hoping to win its endorsement.

The head of that organization, Ron McDougall, is Scozzafava's husband.

And the meeting comes after two endorsements for Scozzafava, a Republican. Last week, Scozzafava announced she was endorsed by the political arm of the United Auto Workers (McDougall is a UAW member) and today, announced the endorsement of the Plattsburgh-Saranac Lake Building Trades Council.

http://www.observer.com/5585/battling-over-labor-ny-23

So Dede's husband is a member of the United Auto Workers and President or head of the local/regional labor council.

Thank you, hell2pay.

Originally Posted by hell2pay

The Daily Kos endorsed Scozzafava.

From the Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/2 ... t-A-Glance

"NY-23: Scozzafava's Record At A Glance
"by robert harding
"Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 06:39:22 AM PDT

"Last night, Markos wrote that Republican Dede Scozzafava was "the most liberal candidate" in the 23rd congressional district race.

"This doesn't surprise. A lot of people, including people here in New York, have made the same argument. Part of it has to do with a lack of research on Scozzafava. The other half of it is a lack of information on the Democratic candidate Bill Owens, who conservatives call "liberal" and some progressives like Markos have called a "Blue Dog."

"After reading Markos' post multiple times, it seems he uses the following as important points for his "liberal" labeling of Scozzafava.

* robert harding's diary :: ::
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- "She has been endorsed in the past by the very progressive Working Families Party.

- "She is pro-choice and pro-marriage equality, which puts her at odds with the conservatives in the Republican Party.

- "She voted to raise taxes when budgets required it.

"First, those three points. The Working Families Party does endorse Republicans and allow them to run on their line. It happens, but they are more likely to back a Democratic candidate. Living in New York, my state senator is George Maziarz. He has been endorsed by the Working Families Party in the past because of his connections to people within the WFP.

"For Scozzafava, being backed by the WFP can be contributed to a few things. She ran unopposed in 2008 and was not on the Working Families line when she ran for re-election in 2006. She also was not on the line in the 2002 general election. The only times since redistricting in 2002 that she appeared on the WFP line was in 2004 and 2008. In both elections, she ran unopposed. Therefore, the WFP endorsements were more by default than anything. It's not as if she had to fight for those endorsements with another candidate.

"The pro-choice and pro-marriage equality positions are very good and is a breath of fresh air for a Republican. But just as we don't like it when Republicans try to define us based on social issues, we should not be guilty of the same when it comes to determining whether someone is progressive or not. Is she progressive on these issues? No doubt. But don't judge a book by its cover.

"The last point of Markos: She voted to raise taxes when budgets required it. In New York, that can be seen as a good and/or bad thing. There are good taxes and fees, bad taxes and fees and others that are somewhere in between. Any good progressive in New York will tell you that not all taxes are good and that not all taxes are bad. There is a middle ground. The problem in New York is that we have had too many regressive taxes and not enough progressive taxation. So giving Scozzafava credit for being liberal on this is misguided for the reasons I have shown.

"But aside from Markos' points, I also wanted to address some of the past votes Scozzafava has cast in the Assembly .
- An important issue for progressives in New York has been Rockefeller Drug Law Reform. A bill (A.6085) was passed in the Assembly and a deal was reached with both houses to reform the broken drug laws that led to extreme sentences for some of the most minor offenses. The roll call vote shows that Scozzafava voted against these reforms.

- Earlier this year, the Assembly passed a comprehensive gun package to combat gun violence and put laws in place to provide for better tracking of guns and provide for more accountability. The package includes 13 bills that were passed in the Assembly. Of those 13 bills, Scozzafava voted for only one. That bill was A.7733 and its purpose is to "Authorizes courts to revoke firearms license and seize the weapons of certain individuals." Essentially, if the person is a threat to the public, courts could take away the firearms license and weapons of that person.

"It is safe to say that Scozzafava is pro-gun and clearly anti-gun control of any kind. (I would give her credit for the single "Yea" vote, but it was a unanimous vote in the Assembly. Every Republican voted for it.)

"Also, keep in mind that the package came after the shootings in Binghamton, which was a national news story and led to immediate action in the Assembly.

"- Scozzafava's record on the environment is mixed, at best. She voted against the Bigger Better Bottle Bill, but voted for the Green Jobs bill that was unanimously passed in the Assembly. The Assembly passed a package of environmental bills earlier this year. Of the 14 bills included in the package, Scozzafava voted for six of the bills and against eight of them. These were bills that were supported by progressives and the Democratic conference in the Assembly.

"- Scozzafava voted against the Farmworkers Bill of Rights that passed the Assembly. This was seen as a pro-labor and pro-worker bill to support farm laborers who face unpleasant conditions in some instances.

"- Voted against a bill that would provide additional compensation for police officers in New York City that use a foreign language in the course of their duties. She also voted against legislation that would give the attorney general jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute police misconduct.

"- Voted against regulating the use of "no-knock" warrants and monitoring the use of all search warrants.

"- Cast a vote against the 2010 Campaign Finance Reform Act, which would provide "for optional partial public financing of certain election campaigns in this state." (Here is more on this legislation she voted against.)

"- Voted against a bill that would require restaurants (with 15 or more outlets in the U.S.) to post the caloric information of menu items. Also voted against a bill banning trans fats in restaurants.

"- Voted against legislation that would strengthen New York's laws against unfair debt collection practices. Also voted against "legislation requiring debt collection firms to provide consumers a written "Debtor's Bill of Rights" along with their initial debt collection communication."

"- Voted against expanding foreclosure protections. This bill included protections for tenants in property that is being foreclosed.

"- Among the many areas, one area that Scozzafava seems to have a consistent record of voting "no" in is housing. This year, the Assembly has passed 20 pieces of legislation related to housing. Of those 20 bills, Scozzafava voted against several of them. The bills she voted against include: A rent increase cap, rent increases linked to inflation rate, Section 8 housing being included in rent regulation, landlord rental unit recovery, affordable housing preservation, excessive rent increase shield and expansion of the Loft Law.

"The reality is this: When people say "don't judge a book by its cover", you should take their advice. The "cover" on Scozzafava was that she was this progressive Republican because she was backed by the WFP, supported a woman's right to choose and has been a supporter of marriage equality. But the "book" tells the whole story (as it usually does). Scozzafava has a few positions that are more liberal (on abortion and marriage equality) but most of her positions are, at best, moderate-to-conservative. More often than not, however, she is a conservative.

"One more thing: This statement on Scozzafava's website came after President Barack Obama's health care address a couple of weeks ago. One of the ideas she pushes? Tort reform. Not exactly the progressive approach to solving the health care crisis, but it's one of the first (if not THE first) things brought up by Scozzafava.

"The conclusion I draw from looking over numerous pieces of legislation is that Scozzafava on most issues is nothing more than your average Assembly Republican. Most of the votes that she did support the Democratic (or progressive) positions came when the whole Assembly voted unanimously for a bill. Scozzafava's conservative positions are not reflected in the mainstream media, where she is labeled a "liberal" because of her stances on two social issues that, while important, should never define any candidate and should never be the sole indicator of a candidate's ideology.

"I see Scozzafava as someone who is far from the Glenn Becks of the world. But that doesn't mean she is not conservative. The modern-day conservative is a different breed, but a lot of what Scozzafava stands for resembles an old school conservative. At best, she's a moderate with conservative leanings. At worst, she's a conservative Republican whose liberal stances on two social issues have given her an inaccurate label.

"Would she be a Susan Collins-type, as Markos suggested? Probably not. Her record has shown that she hasn't really been willing to buck the GOP party line on big issues (unless the whole GOP goes along with it). There are worse Republicans than Scozzafava, but she isn't someone I would depend on to cross party lines and vote on a Democratic (and/or progressive) issue."

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That's what I thought. The only time the WFP has endorsed her in the past is when she was running unopposed and there was no one else to vote for. Shame on you, Glenn Beck, Shame, Shame, Shame on you!

Based on her voting record, Republican Dede Scozzafava will vote the party line on immigration issues which is secure the borders, enforce US immigration law and no amnesty, because that's in the best interest of American Workers, the best interest of American Citizens, and for any true fiscal conservative, an absolute requirement. Doug Hoffman in his own words wants to increase immigration and provide a "path that makes it easier for people to enter the US -- and work here --" which means he's not a true fiscal conservative at all, he's a "growth" candidate which means population growth, which means increased immigration from every source, which we all know means illegal immigration as well as excessive legal immigration that creates more people than jobs in our country which has only 1 outcome and that is the bankruptcy of the United States from supporting people who either have no job or a job at such a deflated wage they can't sustain themselves or their families without government handouts and assistance.

She may even vote the party line on card check since there appears from a Weekly Standard interview that there's some confusion over that as well.

Finally, Dede Scozzafava did sign the Americans for Tax Reform Pledge not to raise taxes, despite lies by Doug Hoffman and Co. to the contrary.

http://www.atr.org/another-pledge-signe ... tion-a4038

"Another Pledge Signer in the NY-23 Special Election
"From Adam Radman on Friday, October 16, 2009 11:18 AM

"Yesterday, Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge in her race to replace former Rep. John McHugh. Democrat Bill Owens is the only candidate not to sign the Pledge in this race.

"Dede Scozzafava (R-N.Y.) signs the Taxpayer Protection Pledge

"WASHINGTON, D.C. – Dede Scozzafava, a Republican running in New York’s 23rd Congressional district, recently signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge sponsored by Americans for Tax Reform (ATR). The Pledge commits signers to “oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses … and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates.â€