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    Trump Backers Claim Shift in His Immigration Rhetoric

    Trump Backers Claim Shift in His Immigration Rhetoric

    CLEVELAND — Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 PM ET



    As he turns his attention to the general election, Donald Trump is signaling that he is ready to tone down his fiery rhetoric on illegal immigration — at least behind closed doors.

    At the same time, Republican officials appear eager to push him in a more moderate direction, telling Hispanics that he has abandoned his divisive primary pledge to deport the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally — even if Trump hasn't said so publicly himself.

    "Trump has already said that he will not do massive deportations," Helen Aguirre Ferre, the Republican National Committee's director of Hispanic communications, told reporters at a Spanish-language briefing at the party's convention two weeks ago. Instead, she said, "he will focus on removing the violent undocumented who have criminal records and live in the country."

    It's a statement that may come as a surprise to Trump's legion of loyal followers, many of whom were first drawn to Trump because of his hard-line views on immigration and border security. Trump has vowed to build a wall along the length of the southern border and use a "deportation force" to track down and deport anyone in the country illegally.

    "You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said in a TV interview last fall. He estimated in a separate interview that the process would take between 18 months to two years.

    But those who would like to see Trump move in a more inclusive direction say that Trump has indicated that he no longer advocates that plan. As evidence, they point to several vague sentences from an interview Trump gave earlier this summer to Bloomberg News during a whirlwind trip to Scotland to visit his golf courses.

    "President Obama has mass deported vast numbers of people — the most ever, and it's never reported. I think people are going to find that I have not only the best policies, but I will have the biggest heart of anybody," Trump told the outlet. Pressed on whether he would issue "mass deportations," Trump responded: "No, I would not call it mass deportations."

    "We are going to get rid of a lot of bad dudes who are here," he was quoted as saying.

    It remains unclear whether Trump was taking rhetorical or ideological issue with the phrase, and Trump has not made similar comments at any point since. Asked how he would manage the deportations at a press conference in Florida Wednesday, Trump said only, "We're going to have a whole policy on that over the next three weeks."

    This kind of ambiguity is not unusual for Trump, whose vague statements often leave room for numerous, sometimes conflicting interpretations.
    But for some who are supporting Trump and want to see him moderate, the meaning is clear.

    "Two or three weeks ago, (Trump) conceded in an interview in Bloomberg in which he said the term 'massive deportation' is not used by him, and it was planted by a journalist," said the head of Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, Alfonso Aguilar, who recently signed a letter along with several other Latino conservatives endorsing Trump.

    Aguilar said that he had seen in Trump's comments "something very interesting, which can be the beginning of an openness toward the center on immigration. He said he wants to remove only people with criminal record, not people without criminal record. It could be the openness toward a legalization."

    A similar interpretation has also developed among Hispanic and religious leaders who have met with Trump privately in recent months. Trump, they say, has been signaling that he is open to embracing a less punitive immigration policy that focuses on "compassion" along with the rule of law. Seizing on what they see as an opportunity to steer the candidate, several have formed an informal advisory committee that has been working on a series of recommendation they hope to Trump will consider.

    "He realizes that there are a lot of good people that are in the shadows. He wants some proposals on how to work on that," said Ohio-based televangelist Frank Amedia, who is helping to lead the effort.

    Hillary Clinton told "Fox News Sunday" that her priority if elected would be to deport violent criminals and those linked to terrorism.

    "But don't go rounding up hard working mothers and fathers, taking them out of the factories or the hotels or the homes where they're working, making them disappear and leaving their children alone," she said. "That doesn't make any sense to me."

    A record 27.3 million Latinos will be eligible to vote in the 2016 presidential elections, according to the Pew Research Center. While much of Trump's backing comes from white males, he could gain an advantage in a tightening race if he makes gains with this critical demographic.

    Trump, Amedia said, has expressed interests in a plan that would quickly deport "the undesirables" from the country. But the group has also been exploring various options to deal with the millions of otherwise law-abiding immigrants living in the shadows, who are often afraid to report crimes or abuse for fear of deportation.

    "It's not satisfactory for them to stay in that position," Amedia said. "They too need to have a recourse where they can walk out of the shadows and into the light."

    Pastor Herman Martir, the president Asian Action Network, who is also involved in the effort, said that after meeting recently with the candidate to discuss his community's concerns, he expects to see a "change of tone in terms of being inclusive."

    "I think because of that dialogue, he understood the need to put together something that will work for everybody," he said. "The approach is more compassionate, not so much about gathering everyone and pushing them aside and turning them back."

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    This article makes me extremely nervous. I do not want to see my early fears realized!

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    Wow, I can't believe there isn't a discussion on this article. Why am I only hearing crickets?

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    I'll say it again and again and again. What Trump will actually do about illegal immigration is impossible to say. What we can say with certainty is that he will actually do something when nobody has been doing anything all the way back to Reagan who gave us our first amnesty. When he actually makes the effort -- and he will make the effort -- only then can we begin to see how to confront the problem.

    You would have to be really stupid to believe that somehow Trump will do no more than what Obama has done as president. He is already doing more to damage illegal immigration just by saying what he has been saying. He has frightened and angered Mexico even before he got the nomination.

    Please MW, try a more convincing performance, if you will.
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    Related info:

    TRUMP: I’LL TRY TO BRING BACK ‘GOOD’ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ‘RAPIDLY’


    Would Trump really build his wall? (ALIPAC)

    William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC:
    "An immigration enforcement activist says even though he's endorsing Donald Trump in the presidential election, he isn't sure that if elected the billionaire businessman will follow through on his promise to build a wall along the Mexican border." 5/17/16

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    Hillary has promised mass amnesty within her 1st 100 days and "anybody who wants a job can get one". She has no intentions of enforcing our immigration laws. She will bring in more muslims. Trump is the better candidate for sure & needs all the support he can get over the democratic machine & its large voter base.

    The GOP chose open borders ryan himself as their leader. The pressure from the GOP is so great to continue the open border, cheap labor give away with all the economy booms they claim (w/o deducting the trillion in costs) that any candidate would have been forced to adjust his stance to a certain degree - for now. If anything for party backing and unity. When elected their is more room to follow thru with their ideas. IMO

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    I understand your concern MW but we know what we will get with Clinton. I truly believe he and his sons recognize the damage that illegal immigration does to the nation. He has Senator Sessions, Stephen Miller, Kris Kobach and others advising him. That is great.

    Enforce ALL laws, mandate E Verify for every business no matter the size, share info between IRS and social security to get those who have stolen numbers, end birthright citizenship, secure the border so tight that if they leave at Christmas and other times, they are not coming back.

    Undo anything Mr. Obama has done like the amnesty for the 8,000 Syrians they just granted, put the Border Patrol on the border, demand that every country take their citizens back or no funds of any kind.

    No welfare or benefits and challenge Plyer vs. Doe that burdens school systems and taxpayers and that hurts the achievement levels of American children.

    Make Mexico pay for the wall.
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    Alfonzo Aguilar mentioned in the story is so open borders.

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    Trump always said he would do the deportations humanely. Families removed as a single unit. This isn't a change in his positions. These are just open borders people hoping he will, but he won't. He knows the COST of illegal aliens and Donald Trump will not stand for illegal aliens sucking up our education, health care, welfare, tax credits, jobs, deflating wages --- OH NO, they can't stay, they have to go in order for Trump to reach his economic goals. Trump is bottom-line, numbers guy. He's not going to allow our debt to rise funding welfare, education or health care payments to illegal aliens. He's not going to allow our wages to stay flat or deflate even further when he's trying to put Americans back to work, raise wages and fix this dead flat declining about to collapse economy. Only people who can't follow what he's actually trying to do would worry about such a thing.
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    Trump Backers Claim Shift in His Immigration Rhetoric

    CLEVELAND — Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 PM ET



    As he turns his attention to the general election, Donald Trump is signaling that he is ready to tone down his fiery rhetoric on illegal immigration — at least behind closed doors.

    At the same time, Republican officials appear eager to push him in a more moderate direction, telling Hispanics that he has abandoned his divisive primary pledge to deport the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally — even if Trump hasn't said so publicly himself.

    "Trump has already said that he will not do massive deportations," Helen Aguirre Ferre, the Republican National Committee's director of Hispanic communications, told reporters at a Spanish-language briefing at the party's convention two weeks ago. Instead, she said, "he will focus on removing the violent undocumented who have criminal records and live in the country."

    It's a statement that may come as a surprise to Trump's legion of loyal followers, many of whom were first drawn to Trump because of his hard-line views on immigration and border security. Trump has vowed to build a wall along the length of the southern border and use a "deportation force" to track down and deport anyone in the country illegally.

    "You're going to have a deportation force, and you're going to do it humanely," Trump said in a TV interview last fall. He estimated in a separate interview that the process would take between 18 months to two years.

    But those who would like to see Trump move in a more inclusive direction say that Trump has indicated that he no longer advocates that plan. As evidence, they point to several vague sentences from an interview Trump gave earlier this summer to Bloomberg News during a whirlwind trip to Scotland to visit his golf courses.

    "President Obama has mass deported vast numbers of people — the most ever, and it's never reported. I think people are going to find that I have not only the best policies, but I will have the biggest heart of anybody," Trump told the outlet. Pressed on whether he would issue "mass deportations," Trump responded: "No, I would not call it mass deportations."

    "We are going to get rid of a lot of bad dudes who are here," he was quoted as saying.

    It remains unclear whether Trump was taking rhetorical or ideological issue with the phrase, and Trump has not made similar comments at any point since. Asked how he would manage the deportations at a press conference in Florida Wednesday, Trump said only, "We're going to have a whole policy on that over the next three weeks."

    This kind of ambiguity is not unusual for Trump, whose vague statements often leave room for numerous, sometimes conflicting interpretations.
    But for some who are supporting Trump and want to see him moderate, the meaning is clear.

    "Two or three weeks ago, (Trump) conceded in an interview in Bloomberg in which he said the term 'massive deportation' is not used by him, and it was planted by a journalist," said the head of Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, Alfonso Aguilar, who recently signed a letter along with several other Latino conservatives endorsing Trump.

    Aguilar said that he had seen in Trump's comments "something very interesting, which can be the beginning of an openness toward the center on immigration. He said he wants to remove only people with criminal record, not people without criminal record. It could be the openness toward a legalization."

    A similar interpretation has also developed among Hispanic and religious leaders who have met with Trump privately in recent months. Trump, they say, has been signaling that he is open to embracing a less punitive immigration policy that focuses on "compassion" along with the rule of law. Seizing on what they see as an opportunity to steer the candidate, several have formed an informal advisory committee that has been working on a series of recommendation they hope to Trump will consider.

    "He realizes that there are a lot of good people that are in the shadows. He wants some proposals on how to work on that," said Ohio-based televangelist Frank Amedia, who is helping to lead the effort.

    Hillary Clinton told "Fox News Sunday" that her priority if elected would be to deport violent criminals and those linked to terrorism.

    "But don't go rounding up hard working mothers and fathers, taking them out of the factories or the hotels or the homes where they're working, making them disappear and leaving their children alone," she said. "That doesn't make any sense to me."

    A record 27.3 million Latinos will be eligible to vote in the 2016 presidential elections, according to the Pew Research Center. While much of Trump's backing comes from white males, he could gain an advantage in a tightening race if he makes gains with this critical demographic.

    Trump, Amedia said, has expressed interests in a plan that would quickly deport "the undesirables" from the country. But the group has also been exploring various options to deal with the millions of otherwise law-abiding immigrants living in the shadows, who are often afraid to report crimes or abuse for fear of deportation.

    "It's not satisfactory for them to stay in that position," Amedia said. "They too need to have a recourse where they can walk out of the shadows and into the light."

    Pastor Herman Martir, the president Asian Action Network, who is also involved in the effort, said that after meeting recently with the candidate to discuss his community's concerns, he expects to see a "change of tone in terms of being inclusive."

    "I think because of that dialogue, he understood the need to put together something that will work for everybody," he said. "The approach is more compassionate, not so much about gathering everyone and pushing them aside and turning them back."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...toric-41026283
    NO AMNESTY

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