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    Documents Show US Officials Across The Board, Buckling To Me

    http://www.pipelinenews.org/index.cfm?p ... r51006.htm

    Documents Show U.S Officials Across The Board, Buckling To Mexican Government On Immigration Laws & Border Enforcement

    May 10, 2006 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLinenews.org - Public documents available on Mexico's Secretary of Exterior Relations' [SER] website - only yesterday revealed in a series of articles dealing with the charge that American authorities are conspiring with the Mexican government to spy on American border activists - detail a level of intimidation on the part of the Mexican government and a level of acquiescence by the U.S. government heretofore unimaginable.

    The documents:


    http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... e1.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... e2.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... e3.htm#3.3 http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman/ http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... macion.htm http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... ntonio.htm
    Starting in January 2005 the Mexican government has conducted a full-court press against the Minuteman Project - a citizen group calling attention to enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.

    Agents of the government of Vicente Fox have conducted an ongoing series of meetings with the President of the United States, Department of Homeland Security, the U.S. State Department and the U.S. Border Patrol among others, with the intent of forcing American officials to maintain a policy of non-enforcement of U.S. border regulations and at the same time putting pressure on the Minuteman organization - a major proponent of increased border enforcement - to thwart its activities.

    On February 10, 2005 the Mexican government sent a diplomatic note of protest to the U.S. Department of State excoriating the Minuteman Project as a group of vigilantes and demanding that the U.S. government take steps to ensure that the "rights" of Mexican nationals under state and federal laws be protected.

    This follows a line reasoning set forth by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights’ "Convention on Migrant Workers, as promoted by Mexico and which the SER uses to condemn the U.S.


    "[Mexico] condemns energetically the manifestations and acts of racism, the racial discrimination, the xenophobia, the intolerance towards the migrants and the stereotypes that continuously are applied to them and makes a call to the United States to consider the revision of its migratory policies in order to eliminate these practices"
    This is nothing more than a call for open borders.

    In early Spring of 2005 the Mexican SER directed all U.S. based Mexican consulates to conduct surveillance on border activists including those involved in the Minuteman Project, to interact with all levels of the leadership of American institutions involved with border enforcement including law enforcement, and transmit that information back to the Fox government.

    Whereas it was believed that this activity was only taking place in limited areas the documents make it clear that Mexican consulates have been active in a massive surveillance and information gathering program throughout the United States - in Arizona, California, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, Illinois, Massachusetts and Tennessee, detailing the activities and identifying American citizens and border activist groups by name and reporting back to Mexican authorities.

    The following an example of the toadying response by American officials, including State governors and Border Patrol officials.


    "...28 of June civil employees of the Consulate of Mexico in Albuquerque met with Bill Hume, Head of Political Advisers of Bill Governor Richardson. In this meeting it was agreed that the government of the state will insist that the solution to immigration, as well as the application of immigration laws, is a subject of federal and not state character. It also explained that in case that a Minuteman breaks the state laws, the state will take drastic action. Governor Bill Richardson declared that "he disavows the Minuteman group in New Mexico because authorities in charge of the application of the law in the South border of the state already exist." Spokesman of the Sector Paso of the Border Patrol of the United States opposes the activities of the Minuteman Project."
    As these documents and others are more fully understood an alarming picture is becoming clear.

    Not only is the American government failing to maintain any semblance of border control and security, but it appears that there is active cooperation between American officials - at all levels, federal, state and local, and the government of Vicente Fox to provide intelligence on American citizens to that foreign government with the intent of undercutting enforcement of U.S. immigration laws.
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    Hope Lou Dobbs doesn't let this go without mention - strong mention!

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    "[Mexico] condemns energetically the manifestations and acts of racism, the racial discrimination, the xenophobia, the intolerance towards the migrants and the stereotypes that continuously are applied to them and makes a call to the United States to consider the revision of its migratory policies in order to eliminate these practices"


    This is nothing more than a call for open borders.
    I have another name for it...
    We are NOT a nation of immigrants!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MopheadBlue


    Hope Lou Dobbs doesn't let this go without mention - strong mention!
    Lou brought it up yesterday, (Tuesday) and he was furious

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcernedCitizen
    Quote Originally Posted by MopheadBlue


    Hope Lou Dobbs doesn't let this go without mention - strong mention!
    Lou brought it up yesterday, (Tuesday) and he was furious
    Yes, I saw the program. Judging from the date of the article, today, I thought it might be more information on what was a breaking story yesterday.

    I've not looked at the links yet. DHS "official position" was given on FOX news this a.m. I've made a mental note to try to find a copy of the release.

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    "[Mexico] condemns energetically the manifestations and acts of racism, the racial discrimination, the xenophobia, the intolerance towards the migrants and the stereotypes that continuously are applied to them and makes a call to the United States to consider the revision of its migratory policies in order to eliminate these practices"
    This is nothing more than a call for open borders.
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    Here's a babblefish translation of one of the pages.

    http://www.sre.gob.mx/eventos/minuteman ... e1.htm#3.3


    Mexico D.F. 11 of April of 2005.

    First report of activities on the call Minuteman Project

    The Government of Mexico condemns the vigilantismo activities that citizens of the United States make in the border. Although it is sovereign faculty of any State to take the measures necessary to assure the protection his borders and the fulfillment of their dispositions in migratory matter, these activities correspond only and exclusively to the competent authorities of the States.

    Ever since knowledge was had of which a group of civilians tried to organize itself to make monitoring workings in the border with the objective to avoid the crossing of undocumented immigrants, the Government of Mexico expressed publicly his sentence and initiated diverse actions with authorities from the United States to effect of:

    to assure the respect to the rights Mexican nationals who, in their case, cross the border between the Arizona and Sonora states in the zone where the volunteers of the project presumably they will make monitoring activities;

    to promote the total observance of the own American and international, same frame legal that consecrates rights for the foreigners who enter the United States, still without the required migratory documentation;

    and to ask for to the competent authorities of that country the unfolding of preventive actions that, with attachment to the American legal frame, allow to avoid a possible incident in that zone of the border.

    Activities of the Minuteman group

    In January of 2005, the self-appointed group Minuteman Project carried out a public meeting in Tombstone, Arizona, to present its objectives and to recruit volunteers. In agreement with declarations of the organizers, they managed to reunite companies of 1.022 volunteers, including some pilots with airships.

    At first, some of the organizers had showed that they would stop undocumented people who went into in that country by the border. When public becoming the strategy of the government of Mexico, the declarations of the organizers of Minuteman were modified of certain form and clarified that its only objective would be to detect the undocumented people and to inform to the Border Patrol of the United States for its halting.

    The 1 of April, in Tombstone, around one hundred volunteers was registered to the Minuteman. Of simultaneous way, they also concurred in that city a great number of representatives of mass media, as well as members of defending social organizations of human rights and civilians, who pronounced themselves against the activities of the Minuteman and indicated that they would remain in the zone to verify that trasgresiones to the law or violations to the fundamental rights of migrantes were not committed.

    Both following days, 2 and 3 of April, the members of Minuteman made manifestations before the facilities of the Border Patrol in Douglas and Naco, Arizona. As of Monday 4, they initiated activities of monitoring in reduced groups, throughout approximately four kilometers of the border line between Naco and Douglas.

    Actions of the Government of Mexico in the diplomatic scope

    In January, the Secretariat of Outer Relations maintained to consultations on the subject with the Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection of the Department of Internal Security.

    In February, the Secretariat of Outer Relations sent a Diplomatic Note to the government of the United States, in which it express preoccupation by the activities of the Minuteman project and the managements of the Department of State are asked for in order that the competent dependencies take forecasts to avoid that federal and state laws in damage of our connacionales are violated. The subject was boarded also, in Washington D.C. at level of Chancellors.

    In March, the Ambassador of Mexico in the United States entrevistó with the Head of the Border Patrol of the Department of Internal Security, in order to ask for its intervention. Also, in occasion of the work visit that the Secretary of State of the United States made to Mexico, the position of Mexico on the part of the Secretary of Outer Relations was expressed him again. In that same month, in the City of Mexico, during the meeting of work which they maintained civil employees of the Secretariats of Interior and Outer Relaciones of Mexico with diverse civil employees of the Department of Internal Security, including the Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection and the Head of the Border Patrol, the Mexican delegation reiterated the position of our government. During the encounter which they maintained the Presidents of Mexico and the United States, in Waco, Texas, the President of the Republic expressed to his homologous American the preoccupation of his government by the subject and asked for the intervention of the competent authorities. Answer del Government of United States Civil employees of the Department of Internal Security have offered the securities of which that corporation does not support, in form some, the activities of monitoring made by individuals and he will not reduce violations to the law. The diplomatic note presented/displayed the 10 of February, was answered by the Department of State assuring that the government of the United States will guard by the respect of the rights of any foreigner within his territory. On the other hand, President George W. Bush declared in Waco, Texas, during the joint press conference with the agent chief executives of Mexico and Canada: "I am against watchmen in the United States of America. I am in favor of enforcing the law in a rational way. For that reason it is that an Border Patrol exists, and this one must enforce the law in the border ". The 31 of March, the spokesman of the Border Patrol of the United States, Samuel Zamora, indicated that the Minuteman represents a distraction for the Border Patrol that it prevents him to exert his work. She added that the one that people take the law "in her own hands is what we are not going to tolerate". She also commented that in case that haltings on the part of individuals appear, these last ones will have to face positions in his against.

    Interinstitutional coordination

    During the months of March and diverse April meetings between civil employees of Mexican institutions with presence in that zone of the border have taken place, with the intention of coordinating tendientes actions to prevent any incident from the Mexican side with the border, particularly arisen on the part of tie people to the organized crime or of gangs. The meetings also have had the objective to evaluate the measures to adopt before possible blockades of the border ports on the part of competing demonstrators to the activities of the volunteers of the Minuteman and to preserve the order and the tranquillity in the region.

    The 1 of April was carried out a meeting with the participation of representatives of the different agencies from the order, as much of Mexico as of the United States, in which connections of communication between these agencies settled down, with the intention to count on opportune information on any incident that put in risk the public order and to avoid any trasgresión or violation to the law.

    Coordination SRE-SEGOB

    During the months of March and April several meetings of coordination between civil employees of both dependencies have been carried out, in order to detect any violation that was gotten to commit as a result of the activities of border monitoring of the members of the Minuteman against Mexican nationals.

    With that objective one remembered reinforce the personnel of the National Institute of Migration and the Groups Water Beta Prieta and Naco, Sonant, to make the procedures more expeditious of repatriation. Also, instructions were turned to them to interview all the nationals which they were repatriated and to report to the National Institute of Migration and the Consulate in Douglas any complaint or denunciation of aggression, I mistreat or humiliation of which had been object at the moment and during its halting, specially in case that this halting had become by individuals.

    Consular Actions

    By instructions of the Secretariat of Outer Relations, the consulates of Mexico in Arizona are kind to any possible violation of the rights of Mexican nationals.

    The holders of the Consulates of Mexico in Arizona (Phoenix, Walnuts, Tucson, Douglas and Yuma) have made similar managements with authorities of Arizona (the Governor and State Solicitor), with federal authorities with jurisdiction in the state (Fiscal Federal and the ones in charge of the diverse sectors of the Border Patrol) and with municipal authorities.

    The Secretariat of Outer Relations has established an agreement of collaboration with the Center of Human rights and Constitutional Right of the United States, in order to identify the legal actions that can be undertaken, with base to the own American legal frame, against the individuals that commit abuses that affect the Mexican migrantes. This study has been given to the legal consultants of the consulates. Direct channels of communication between consular personnel of Mexico in Arizona have settled down and the Border Patrol, in order to guarantee the exchange of information, the consular access to the lengthy migrantes and the respect to their rights.

    The Chief of a main directorate of Protection and Consular Subjects went commissioner to travel to the city of Douglas, Arizona, and to supervise of direct form the preventive workings and protection that our consulates make in that state.

    Also, the Consulate of Mexico in Douglas has been reinforced with additional personnel. One has asked for the chiefs of the stations of the Border Patrol in Douglas and Naco, Arizona, that the consulate is informed into all and each one of the possible apprehensions of Mexican migrantes made by members of the Minuteman group and was requested that it is allowed consular personnel to interview all the prisoners before they are repatriated.

    The General Consulate in Phoenix has reinforced its communication with the competent authorities of the State of Arizona. Report Consular In agreement with the information provided by the Consulate of Mexico in Douglas, Arizona, approximately one hundred volunteers of Minuteman in the meeting registered themselves that took place first of April in Tombstone. A great number also appeared, around 120, of printed and electronic mass media representatives.

    The personnel of the Consulate in Douglas has maintained in constant communication with the liaisons and supervisors of the stations of the Border Patrol of Naco and Douglas, as well as with bailiffs of the office of the Sheriff de Cochise and the police of Naco and Douglas, that confirmed that until now it has not had reports some of apprehensions of undocumented people carried out by the members of Minuteman.

    The watchmen who were bet throughout the border strip, to the east of the port of entrance of Naco, moved three miles to the east of Naco in the direction of Douglas.

    According to the consular reports, they appeared around 40 individuals that, making use of binoculars, they tried to detect to undocumented migrantes. It is evident that, at any moment, the Border Patrol and other corporations have maintained a close control of the activities of the volunteers of Minuteman, which surely has contributed to the absence of incidents.

    In the period between 5 and 11 of April incidents in the place were not reported where his the volunteers of Minuteman locate. Near them they remain some units of the Border Patrol and the Department of the Sheriff of the County of Cochise.

    From the 6 of April, the number of the members of the Minuteman has diminished significantly. It is reported that in the contiguous area to the dividing line 15 and 23 volunteers of Minuteman and several "legal observers" of trained by American Civil Liberty Union have entered themselves between (ACLU), who monitorean to the watchmen to document any possible violation to the human rights of the undocumented people, and who carry a white t-shirt with a legend in red which he says "legal observers".

    The Border Patrol has showed publicly its annoyance because the volunteers of Minuteman activate control sensors and cause false alarms that mobilize without sense to the elements of the corporation.

    From the 6 of April, also the presence of mass media representatives diminished very significantly.

    Possible legal routes in case of appearing abuses

    The legal figures that can be used against civilians who violate the rights of our connacionales in the border go from which talk about hardly to cuantificables damages (emotional damage) to which are in severe damage corporal or death. The government of Mexico will support the demands that, in their case, appear by the activities of the vigilantismo groups. Its tipificación can be the following one:

    1. - To cause intentionally distresses or emotional damage. - It can be invoked to ask for repair or compensation when damage or substantive alteration to the tranquillity state or mental peace of the affected one have existed.

    2. - False arrest or false imprisonment. - One talks about to the halting of a person without his consent and legal authority for it.

    3. - Assault, aggressions or death. - An illicit action in which another person is injured physically by another one commonly is denominated assault or injuries. The assault talks about the injury threat; whereas the term aggressions (battery) talks about the corporal contact not wished that it produces physical damage.

    4. - Vicarious responsibility (shared). - When it is evident that individual associated groups of watchmen they have caused a reconocible injury, is due to determine if the organizations and/or their leaders of those organizations can also be responsible by the injuries for the plaintiff.

    Activities of the American authorities

    The authorities of the United States of the diverse present orders of government in the zone have inhibited, through actions of monitoring and constant patrolling, trasgresiones to the law and have offered their collaboration for the protection workings that have carried out the consular personnel.

    Precisions on presumed incidents

    Case of presumed halting of Jose Antonio Aboytes by individuals The 6 of April, the Consulate of Mexico in Douglas received the warning from the Naco station of the Border Patrol of the United States of the halting of the connacional Jose Antonio Aboytes original Sepúlveda of Obregón City, Sonant. On the matter, the Consul of Mexico in Douglas met with the Supervisor of the Naco station of the Border Patrol, with the Office of Sheriff de Cochise and entrevistó to the connacional.

    Ed Go'mez, Supervisor of the Naco station, explained the Consul in Douglas that the facts happened around the 13:00 hrs. of same the 6 of April, near the town of Palominas, Arizona. Two volunteers of the Minuteman group were near the highway #92 when they saw Mr. Aboytes, called it and they gave food, water, $20 USD and one playera him with a legend ironic, but offensive. The Supervisor Go'mez referred that later the connacional was stopped by an agent of the Border and transferred Patrol to the Naco station.

    Anyway, the fact was reported to sheriff of the County of Cochise. The Office of the Sheriff of the County of Cochise designated to a specialized civil employee to lead the investigations. This civil employee obtained a video recorded by the members of Minuteman that includes the development of the facts related by the involved people. This video has been under safekeeping of the Office of the Sheriff. The spokeswoman of the Office of the Sheriff declared that the investigations will stay and that as soon as a report is had, this one will be sent to the office of the Solicitor of the County for her revision.

    In the interview that the Consul of Mexico made, Mr. Aboytes related that he crossed the border from the last Saturday and that after days to be walking, decided to return to Mexico by highway 92 with the idea of being gathered by the Border and repatriated Patrol to Mexico. The connacional explained that it went the one who requested both to subject that he found in his way which they called to the Border Patrol.

    The connacional was sent to Tucson where it will remain under safekeeping before the possibility that the Federal Solicitor requires of his testimony.

    Although the information available does not allow us to conclude that it is a case of apprehension of a connacional on the part of individuals, the investigations follow their course and the Consul of Mexico in Douglas stays in constant contact with involved the federal and local authorities in these investigations.

    Mexican stopped to the interior of military installations of the Huachuca

    Fort The 3 of April, the Delegation of the National Institute of Migration of Naco, Sonant, reported to the Consulate of Mexico in Douglas, Arizona that 12 of the migrantes that had been repatriated to Mexican territory by that locality, had declared "to be stopped by paramilitary". As soon as it was counted on the list of the names of the connacionales that had showed the previous thing, the consulate made a management before the Naco station of the Border Patrol, that clarified that these people had been apprehended by the Military police of the Huachuca Fort, since they had entered lands of this military base.

    Videoclip of the chain Fox News was misinterpreted by some means that concluded that they appear supposed volunteers of Minuteman apprehending to undocumented people. The Consulate of Mexico in Douglas has been able to confirm, even with the agencies of the competent United States, that the first person whom the halting is making and the registry of the presumed immigrant that appears in the video, is an official of the Border Patrol, specifically of group SRT (Special Response Team). Inclusively, to the bottom of videoclip a vehicle with the signaling of the Border Patrol is noticed. Also, like it is possible to be appreciated in the video, the person who makes the halting carries the type of organic armament of the Border Patrol. It is possible to emphasize that the videos were reviewed by the Consul of Mexico in Douglas with Joe agent Hernandez, of the Douglas station of the Border Patrol, that also belongs to the SRT. This agent provided to the consulate the jacket of his uniform of field and it was possible to be stated that the uniforms are identical. With regards to the femenine person that carry a red t-shirt, and that in another one of the takings of Fox News appears apprehending an individual, the woman it was identified like Agent Rebecca Pichardo. This civil employee is member of the Borstar group, that carries red t-shirts.
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    Of the three newspapers I read daily only one, the New York Post (via Michelle Malkins column) made any mention of this HUGE betrayal of the American people by our so called "leaders"!

    No mention whatsoever in the Delaware News Journal or the Philadelphia Inquirer. WTH!!!!!

    Lou brought it up yesterday, (Tuesday) and he was furious
    Indeed he was! I am sure we are going to hear MUCH more about this from Lou in the next few days. Sick-em LOU!

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    apparently the state and federal governments have forgotten "what it was and what it is" and the Mexican government doesn't seem to realize that the citizens and the states have 'RIGHTS' and neither the federal government nor the Mexican government do.

    The Minutemen are not violating the Constitution nor any law of the United States -- they are exercising their rights under the Constitution. However, Mexico's citizens ARE trolling our streets in violation of the law because their is not one law that gives them that right
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