Thread: EU just won't take 'NO' for an answer

Not only comical but accurate as well, LOL. {we need to be VIGILENT}

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn...t-steyn29.html

EU just won't take 'no' for an answer

May 29, 2005

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Following Sunday's vote in France, on Wednesday Dutch voters get to express their opinion on the proposed ''European Constitution.'' Heartening to see democracy in action, notwithstanding the European elite's hysterical warnings that, without the constitution, the continent will be set back on the path to Auschwitz. I haven't seen the official ballot, but the choice seems to be: "Check Box A to support the new constitution; check Box B for genocide and conflagration."

Alas, this tactic doesn't seem to have worked. So, a couple of days before the first referendum, Jean-Claude Juncker, the "president" of the European Union, let French and Dutch voters know how much he values their opinion:

"If at the end of the ratification process, we do not manage to solve the problems, the countries that would have said No, would have to ask themselves the question again," "President" Juncker told the Belgian newspaper Le Soir.

Got that? You have the right to vote, but only if you give the answer your rulers want you to give. But don't worry, if you don't, we'll treat you like a particularly backward nursery school and keep asking the question until you get the answer right. Even America's bossiest nanny-state Democrats don't usually express their contempt for the will of the people quite so crudely.

Juncker is a man from Luxembourg, a country two-thirds the size of your rec room, and, under the agreeably clubby EU arrangements, he gets to serve as "president" without anything so tiresome as having to be voted into the job by "ordinary people." His remarks capture precisely the difference between the new Europe and the American republic.

Sick in bed a couple of months back, I started reading A Declaration of Interdependence: Why America Should Join the World by Will Hutton, and found it such a laugh I was soon hurling my medication away and doing cartwheels round the room. Hutton was a sort of eminence grise to Tony Blair, at least in his pre-warmongering pre-Bush-poodle phase. Hutton is the master of the dead language of statism that distinguishes the complacent Europhile from a good percentage of Americans, not all of them Republicans.

That said, even as a fully paid-up Eurobore, Hutton's at pains to establish how much he loves America: "I enjoy Sheryl Crow and Clint Eastwood alike, delight in Woody Allen . . .''

I'd wager he's faking at least two of these enthusiasms. As for the third, Woody Allen is the man the French government turned to for assistance with a commercial intended to restore their nation's image in America after anger at post-9/11 Gallic obstructionism began to have commercial implications for France. In the advertisement, Woody said he disliked the notion of renaming French fries ''freedom fries.'' What next, he wondered. Freedom kissing?

Despite the queasy mental image of Woody French-kissing, I'm with him on that one: If you don't like the phrase ''French fries,'' there's a perfectly good British word: ''chip.'' It conveniently covers both the menu item, and what the French have on their shoulder. That the French government could think that an endorsement by Woody Allen would improve their standing with the American people is itself a sad testament to the ever-widening Atlantic chasm. And that Will Hutton could think his appreciation of Woody is proof of his own pro-Americanism only widens the gap by another half-mile.

But, having brandished his credentials, Hutton says that it's his ''affection for the best of America that makes me so angry that it has fallen so far from the standards it expects of itself.'' The great Euro-thinker is not arguing that America is betraying the Founding Fathers, but that the Founding Fathers themselves got it hopelessly wrong. He compares the American and French Revolutions, and decides the latter was better because instead of the radical individualism of the 13 colonies the French promoted ''a new social contract.''

Well, you never know. It may be the defects of America's Founders that help explain why the United States has lagged so far behind France in technological innovation, economic growth, military performance, standard of living, etc. Entranced by his Europhilia, Hutton insists that "all western democracies subscribe to a broad family of ideas that are liberal or leftist."

Given that New Hampshire has been a continuous democracy for two centuries longer than Germany, this seems a doubtful proposition. It would be more accurate to say that almost all European nations subscribe to a broad family of ideas that are statist. Or, as Hutton has it, "the European tradition is much more mindful that men and women are social animals and that individual liberty is only one of a spectrum of values that generate a good society."

Precisely. And it's the willingness to subordinate individual liberty to what Hutton calls "the primacy of society" that has blighted the continent for over a century: Statism -- or "the primacy of society" -- is what fascism, Nazism, communism and now European Union all have in common. In fairness, after the first three, European Union seems a comparatively benign strain of the disease -- not a Blitzkrieg, just a Bitzkrieg, an accumulation of fluffy trivial pan-European laws that nevertheless takes for granted that the natural order is a world in which every itsy-bitsy activity is licensed and regulated and constitutionally defined by government.

That's why Will Hutton feels almost physically insecure when he's in one of the spots on the planet where the virtues of the state religion are questioned.

"In a world that is wholly private," he says of America, "we lose our bearings; deprived of any public anchor, all we have are our individual subjective values to guide us." He deplores the First Amendment and misses government-regulated media, which in the EU ensures that all public expression is within approved parameters (left to center-left). "Europe," he explains, "acts to ensure that television and radio conform to public interest criteria."

"Public interest criteria" doesn't mean criteria that the public decide is in their interest. It means that the elite -- via various appointed bodies -- decide what the public's interest is. Will Hutton is a member of the European elite, so that suits him fine. But it's never going to catch on in America -- I hope.

As European "president" Juncker spelled out to the French and Dutch electorates, a culture that subordinates the will of the people to the "primacy of society" is unlikely to take no for an answer. And, if you ignore referendum results, a frustrated citizenry turns to other outlets.

OUTSTANDING POST 2ndamendsis--EU IS DEAD. The cat is out of the bag. Globalists don't have enough money they would part with to buy the Europeans....Globalism Died with the French Vote. No country will referendum this crap again.

We'll keep an eye on them of course and do our best to spot their schemes.

We'll also do everything we can to make sure our votes here in the States go the RIGHT WAY!!

I called Dole and Burr today and laid it right on the line. Their people said little not having any answers to questions like:

Why does anyone in the United States Congress believe American Citizens want more "poor people" in our country? With 34% of our Black Community living under the poverty line and 29% of Hispanic Americans living under the poverty line and 17.67% of the ENTIRE AMERICAN POPULATION living underneath the poverty line:

WHY WOULD ANY MENTALLY CONSCIOUS SENATOR OR REPRESENTATIVE THINK AMERICANS WANT MORE POOR PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES when it is blatantly obvious to anyone with live brain cells that we already have more population than our society and economy can sustain properly?

I said, American Citizens didn't send your bosses to Washington to represent poor people in Mexico. American Citizens sent your bosses to Washington to represent the Will of the American people and OUR BEST INTERESTS. If your boss wants to represent Mexican Citizens, then MOVE TO MEXICO and GET OUT!

There was more....but off topic on the EU Constitution!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!

USA! USA! USA! USA!

Vive La France!!!

(And the dork thats head of the EU needs to move out of Luxenbourg and go live in a toilet bowl location of his choice!! Socialist Commie Dork!!)

Got that? You have the right to vote, but only if you give the answer your rulers want you to give. But don't worry, if you don't, we'll treat you like a particularly backward nursery school and keep asking the question until you get the answer right. Even America's bossiest nanny-state Democrats don't usually express their contempt for the will of the people quite so crudely.

No, we just want the votes counted again . . . and again . . . and again . . . and again . . . and again . . . and again . . . and again . . .

Yes, the French got smart and made a great vote. More countries are expected to follow their lead. That is why we need to continue to work on CAFTA and the FTAA and its open border policies and becoming an EU type nation for North and South America.

All the France bashing many of us did a couple of years ago!!

Today I just want to tell the people of France......THANK YOU....MERCI......THANK YOU.....MERCI.......THANK YOU.......MERCI............THANK YOU.............MERCI.......THANK YOU............MERCI.........THANK YOU.........MERCI...............THANK YOU....

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EMBRACE THE FRENCH PEOPLE WITH JOY AND HAPPINESS......CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

RIGHT ON!! LegalUSACitizen!!

MERCI BEAUCOUP!!

Thank you, Very Much!!

What I don’t understand is why don’t the people get to vote on this CAFTA or FTAA! Just because we vote for our legislature doesn’t mean that they represent us in all avenues and it is becoming more apparent everyday to me that this is the case!!! We should have say if we want this or not, not allowing an up or down vote my senate and house! This is too important for it to be voted by the legislators! We need to vote direct on this issue! We need to find a way to do that or we need to have a massive email, calling, fax campaign in regards to CAFTA and other pro-illegal immigration bills!!! They don’t want us to vote direct because it will die and die fast.

Acidrain

People don't even understand what these Free Trade agreements ARE, Acidrain!! I didn't, a year ago! Trust me I am wide awake now! Our leaders are shafting us DRY.