Fact-Checkers Don’t Know What To Make Of Hillary’s ‘Open Borders’ Claim
Posted By Michael Bastasch On 12:01 PM 10/20/2016 In | No Comments
Reporters fact-checking Wednesday night’s presidential debate didn’t exactly know how to rate Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s claim that her previous remarks about “open borders” referred to a common market for green energy, not immigration.
Fox News host and debate moderator Chris Wallace asked Clinton about remarks she made in a paid speech to a Brazilian bank in 2013 where she said her “dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”
“Well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy,” Clinton responded.
Fact-checkers weren’t so sure since the Clinton campaign has not released the full transcript of the speech, which she was paid $225,000 to give. A portion of the speech transcript was released by WikiLeaks.
“You know, we trade more energy with our neighbors then we trade with rest of the world combined and I do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders, I think I would be a great benefit to us,” Clinton responded to Wallace.
Clinton’s own campaign flagged the speech excerpt as concerning since it painted the former secretary of state as “pro trade,” according to emails hacked from campaign chairman John Podesta’s Gmail account.
“Fact-checks have debated what exactly this means. While Clinton’s campaign says it’s about energy, reasonable people have disagreed,” NRP reporter Danielle Kurtzleben wrote of Clinton’s response.
“PolitiFact cited people who said they believed it referred to both trade and immigration,” she wrote. “FactCheck.org, meanwhile, believed it ‘was related to trade, not immigration.’ However one interprets this, it is also true that Clinton has not called for ‘open borders’ as a policy during this campaign.”
PolitiFact rated Republican nominee Donald Trump’s claim that Clinton was for open borders as “mostly false,” but then noted they “can’t fully evaluate her remarks to a bank because we don’t have the full speech.”
“I don’t think she is calling for open immigration, but the context of her remarks shows that when she says ‘open borders,’ she doesn’t just mean open trade,” Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told PolitiFact.
ABC News rated Trump’s claim Clinton wants open orders as “yes and no.” ABC reported “Clinton says she was talking about energy, not immigration, and her immigration plan does not call for open borders or amnesty.”
“Clinton’s immigration plan, similar to what Obama is currently doing, does call for border enforcement, but the resources would be focused on ‘detaining and deporting those individuals who pose a violent threat to public safety,’” ABC reported.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/20/fa...borders-claim/
Politifact: ‘Mostly False’ That Clinton Wanted ‘Open Borders’
by JOEL B. POLLAK
20 Oct 2016
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Politifact, which purports to be a fact-checking website, gave Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump a “mostly false” rating for claiming that his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, wants “open borders” — even though she said she did.
Trump made the claim during the third presidential debate. When Clinton denied the charge, moderator Chris Wallace asked her about a speech that she gave to a Brazilian bank in which she stated: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.” That would seem fairly straightforward: a “true” rating was well-deserved.
Enter Politifact.
The supposed fact-checkers rated Trump’s statement “mostly false” because Clinton “has repeatedly said she supports border security” and because she claimed she was referring to “energy” in the speech except to which Wallace made reference.
That is transparent nonsense, and reveals Politifact to be more a left-wing rapid-response front than a fact-checking group.
First of all, there is no reason to take Clinton at her word about anything. She has said she supports “border security,” but she has also said — dozens of times — that she supports the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and she abandoned that position this year.
Second, it is well-known that the term “border security” is defined differently by people on opposite sides of the immigration reform issue. Clinton’s version of the term includes allowing virtually all illegal aliens to become citizens. She also said in a debate earlier this year that she would prioritize deporting “violent criminals, terrorists, and anyone who threatens our safety,” but would not deport others, including “children” and “family members.” That means allowing continued illegal immigration.
Third, the expanded version of the quote from her speech to a Brazilian bank makes plan what Clinton’s meaning was:
“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
Clinton’s statement about energy is independent from the statements that precede it: she wants “green and sustainable” energy in addition to open trade and open borders. The fact that she refers to a “common market” is further proof: the best-known “common market” is the European one, whose basic elements are the free flow of goods and people across national frontiers. It is also unclear how “green and sustainable” energy would be shared across borders. The plain meaning of the text is the best reading: “open borders,” in common parlance, means the free flow of people across national frontiers. That is her dream.
Even if every inference were to be drawn in Clinton’s favor, there would be no basis for ruling out the conclusion to which Trump and Wallace arrived. At worst, the statement might earn a “mostly true” rating.
But this is Politifact, which — like so many other so-called fact-checking agencies — has a particular partisan agenda, and in this case a very poorly disguised one.
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