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    Former McCain Adviser: Amnesty Needed Because Americans Not Making Enough Babies

    by Tony Lee 22 May 2014, 7:24 PM PDT
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    On Thursday, a former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and the president of a think tank that supports the Senate's amnesty bill said America needed sweeping amnesty legislation and more immigrants because native-born Americans are not making enough babies.

    "Like all important policy issues, it comes down to sex," Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who advised McCain during the 2008 campaign, said Thursday at a National Journal event on immigration. "The blunt fact is the native-born population does not have a fertility rate high enough to keep the population growing."

    His comments on a panel with five others echoed former Florida governor and potential 2016 presidential candidate Jeb Bush's remarks earlier in the year, when Bush said "immigrants are more fertile" than native-born Americans. As Breitbart News reported, Bush also has said that America's current "fertility rates" will not produce enough younger workers to enable aging Americans to retire "with dignity."

    Holtz-Eakin, the president of the American Action Forum, which backed the Senate's amnesty bill, added that there is "no more important economic policy issue than immigration over the long term" and claimed that the "policy debate is over" on amnesty because "there [are] no serious disagreements" over border security and amnesty.

    "In the absence of immigration, the U.S. shrinks," Holtz-Eakin said, noting that that means the country's population, labor force and "capabilities to grow as a nation and compete internationally" depend on "the choices we [make] like immigration." He said the nation "absolutely" needed more immigrants.

    Immediately, Holtz-Eakin was called out for his assertion that the "policy debate is over" on amnesty by conservative panelist Mark Krikorian, the Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies, and liberal economist Jared Bernstein, the former chief economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden who now heads the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

    Krikorian suggested that the idea that the debate is over is absurd, and Bernstein concurred, saying that the debate is "far from over" because many Americans believe that "immigrant competition has hurt them in the economy," despite Holtz-Eakin's contention that the country could absorb all of the nation's current illegal immigrants.

    Last week, scholars debunked the notion that there was a shortage of American workers in the high-tech sector. Moreover, Krikorian's Center for Immigration Studies released a report this week that backed up the scholars' data-based arguments with even more facts. The report found that from 2007-2012, STEM employment "averaged only 105,000 jobs annually" while the U.S. admitted about 129,000 immigrants with STEM degrees and while "the number of U.S.-born STEM graduates grew by an average of 115,00 a year."

    In addition, as Breitbart News reported, there "were 5.3 million immigrant and native-born STEM workers in 2012 compared to 12.1 million STEM degree holders among immigrants and native-born Americans." Furthermore, according to the report, only "a third of native-born Americans with a STEM degree actually [have jobs] in a STEM occupation" while "at least 5 million native-born Americans with STEM undergraduate degrees are working in non-STEM occupations."

    There is also a surplus of low-skilled American workers as well, as U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow emphasized in his letter to the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) earlier this week urging CBC Members to "oppose any legislation that would grant any form of work authorization to illegal aliens" and "would increase the overall number of guest workers admitted to the U.S. each year."

    "The obvious question is whether there are sufficient jobs in the low-skilled labor market for both African-Americans and illegal immigrants," Kirsanow wrote. "The answer is no."

    A non-partisan Congressional Research Service report this week also found that there were 12,521,545 guest workers admitted from 2000 to 2013. Further, only 2.5 percent of nearly 26 million immigrants who were admitted during that same time received permits to work in seasonal farm programs, which means, consistent with the research of scholars and numerous reports by conservative and liberal think tanks, immigrants are competing with Americans in high-skilled and low-skilled occupations at a time when there are surpluses of legalized and native-born American workers. Yet, the Senate's bill is projected to double or perhaps triple the number of high-tech visas while granting permanent residency to nearly 30 million individuals over the next decade.

    After the National Journal's "Pathways to Reform" event on Thursday, which Steve Clemons moderated, Holtz-Eakin admitted that he had a "man crush" on former Mississippi Gov. and lobbyist Haley Barbour, who has also been a proponent of the Senate's amnesty bill and was interviewed before the panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean View Post
    "In the absence of immigration, the U.S. shrinks," Holtz-Eakin said, noting that that means the country's population, labor force and "capabilities to grow as a nation and compete internationally" depend on "the choices we [make] like immigration." He said the nation "absolutely" needed more immigrants.
    Well, cancerous tumors grow continually, but I've never heard anybody say that that's a good thing.

    We were competitive before, we're competitive now, and we wil be competitive. And if we declare a moratorium on immigration, we'll be able to put our own STEM graduates to work. I think that putting them to work will be a very good thing.

    Much better than the mindless growth that 'Bamacrats and sell out Repubs are proposing.
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    On Thursday, a former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and the president of a think tank that supports the Senate's amnesty bill said America needed sweeping amnesty legislation and more immigrants because native-born Americans are not making enough babies.
    How stupid can they get, we fought WW2 with a third of the population we have now, after that we built one of the greatest countries in the world we only begin to go down hill when progressives begin pushing policy big time in the 80's. The idea that a larger population especially those with little money and education helps a society is naive or stupid, what America does need is to produce superior products that the world wants and buys but what our business leaders and government does now is ship our manufacturing to the third world and then open borders to allow in more welfare recipients.
    My question to the amnesty supporters is how many would be enough at what point do they believe we are ok perhaps when all freedom is gone and communism/socialism is in full swing. Strange folks liberals they want more babies but push abortion, when it's all said they simply want slave labor.
    I'm old with many opinions few solutions.

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    America, a land of extremism! In the 60's they began talking of too large a generation, known as baby boomers, the "pill" and career woring women now has reached the other extreme?

    America, did not want to involve itself in WWII, until it was attacked. Then we went with a vengeance, created the atom bomb, a genie that has not been controlled well since. So, we commence to be care givers to the entire world, to the extent of extreme.

    Think about it, we do all we can to deny a problem (just like an addict), then we go to great lengths for a solution and then want everyone to be just like us (just like a successfully recovering addict,) We have to get back to being a nation of "moderation in all things." Moderation and common sense are very closely related!

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    Shouldnt the message then be for Americans to have more babies? In Russia the government has explained the problem and is even sponsoring a form of Valentines Day where Russian citizens are encouraged to stay home from work and make babies.

    Instead of replacing Americans shouldn't Americans be prosperous, secure, and happy enough to replace ourselves with our own children?

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    Moderation and common sense are very closely related!
    Bingo, the very idea of growing a population to fix economic problems is so much nonsense, if larger population was the answer then China, India, Pakistan should be the greatest places to live. The wealth progressives want open borders not to help us the working class but to benefit themselves, sadly conservative leaders in DC will not voice common sense on this issue.
    I'm old with many opinions few solutions.

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    RINOS are busy selling out Americans, to please the big-money donors who want a docile, unorganized labor force.

    IMO we could attract allies, if we would mount a serious social-media campaign for implementing Universal E-Verify. It's an understandable concept which would actually speak to Americans' concerns about jobs and the economy.
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    redundant.

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    Every Ponzi scheme needs new suckers at the bottom to prevent collapse. With out this new populace the thievery of the political class would become so apparent (even to the low info voters) a revolt would surely follow. As things are now the MSM is giving cover to their shenanigans as they desperately attempt to force this amnesty knowing full well failure will cause the whole lot to fall.
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