Thread: France considers jailing illegal immigrants for up to five years for fake ID

France considers jailing illegal immigrants for up to five years for fake ID

French President Emmanuel Macron CREDIT: AFP

Rory Mulholland, in paris
20 FEBRUARY 2018 • 8:00PM

France could reportedly jail illegal immigrants caught using fake identity papers for up to five years, and those entering the country without using a recognised border crossing could get one year, under proposed new laws.

A controversial immigration and asylum bill, which has sparked opposition from rights groups, opposition parties and even members ofPresident Emmanuel Macron’s own party, was due to be presented to the cabinet on Wednesday.

The centrist president, who came to power last year after seeing off the anti-immigrant Front National leader Marine Le Pen, is under pressure to toughen his policy in a country where 63 per cent of people told a recent opinion poll that there were too many immigrants.

The bill has not yet been made public, but Le Monde newspaper says that its Article 16 calls for illegal immigrants using fake identity papers or someone else's ID "to stay in the country and for most of the time to work there" would face up to five years in jail and €75,000 (£66,000) euros in fines.

Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants currently work in restaurants, factories, and building sites across France, many of them using fake or borrowed ID. If caught by authorities, few go to court, and if they do they often get only a suspended sentence and a request to leave the country.

Refugees gather in a makeshift camp made of camping tents by the
Saint-Martin canal as snow falls at twilight in Paris CREDIT: AFP

Article 16 is just one of many in the planned law that is likely to be hotly disputed. Another is the plan to make entering the country without using a recognised border crossing point an offence carrying a maximum one-year prison sentence and a fine of €3,750.

After France processed a record 100,000 asylum applications last year, Mr Macron vowed to grant asylum faster but also to deport economic migrants more swiftly, while better integrating those who stay.

The new law will be presented to his cabinet on Wednesday ahead of parliamentary debates that promise to be stormy, with migrant charities and left-wingers blasting the bill as repressive.

"The bill is completely balanced," Interior Minister Gerard Collomb, who drew up the new bill, insisted last month. "It works on two guiding principles: France must welcome refugees, but it cannot welcome all economic migrants."

France considers jailing illegal immigrants for up to five years for ...

Now the taxpayers of France can pay to warehouse millions of the World's criminals in their jails...just like the USA does to it's taxpayers!

Deport them all...every last one of them and stop forcing us to pay for this.

WOW. Macron learning from Trump? We love you France. We've been together a very very long time and we might not even be here but for you. Glad to see that when you can get away from all that silly EU crap and spend some time with a typical American like our President Trump, a little of US rubs back on you!! We're right about this, you know. It's one of those "self-evident truths".

France could reportedly jail illegal immigrants caught using fake identity papers for up to five years, and those entering the country without using a recognized border crossing could get one year, under proposed new laws.

The time for talking is over. As Nike would say, "just do it!"

Originally Posted by Judy

WOW. Macron learning from Trump? We love you France. We've been together a very very long time and we might not even be here but for you. Glad to see that when you can get away from all that silly EU crap and spend some time with a typical American like our President Trump, a little of US rubs back on you!! We're right about this, you know. It's one of those "self-evident truths".

Macron has shown himself to be an anti-Trump globalist and big supporter of multiculturalism. He does not care for Trump or the majority of his policies. I also don't believe he's going to step away from that "silly EU crap". Macron has taken a tough stance on Brexit and I suspect he will continue to do so. Germany's Prime Minister, Angela Merkel, and France's Macron are both social and economical liberals.

The following article, while a year old, hopefully gives some insight into Macron's position on immigration when he was elected. Hopefully, for the sake of France, I hope he has evolved on the issue over the past year.

France's Macron Ignores Immigration Perils


French presidential election candidate for the En Marche ! movement Emmanuel Macron arrives outside Whirlpool factory outside the Amiens Cathedral on April 26, 2017. (Eric Feferberg/AFP/Getty Images)

By Rachel Marsden
Wednesday, 26 Apr 2017 11:57 AMCurrent | Bio | Archive

Independent, pragmatic, centrist, Atlantist, globalist: All are words that have been used to describe 39-year old Emmanuel Macron, who, barring the totally unforeseen, will become the next president of France after a May 7 runoff vote against populist, protectionist candidate Marine Le Pen.

Macron won the first round of presidential elections last weekend, receiving 23.9 percent of the vote. Le Pen also advanced to the runoff with 21.4 percent support.

While the more free-market Macron is stronger on the economic front than nanny-state defender Le Pen, his statements on immigration and integration are worrisome.

There's a troubling security problem in France. Terror attacks have claimed hundreds of lives over the past few years. The situation is palpably worse than when I moved to Paris a decade ago. Just last week, I did a television interview at a rooftop studio on the Champs-Elysees, where only hours later a radical Islamic terrorist opened fire below on a police vehicle, killing one officer and injuring two others.

According to a poll earlier this year by the Chatham House Royal Institute of International Affairs, 61 percent of French agreed with this statement: "All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped." According to an Ipsos poll taken last year, only 11 percent of the French consider immigration to have had a positive impact on their country.

The National Front's Le Pen has centered her campaign on immigration, sovereignty and national identity. It likely will not be enough. Most polls show that the French are more concerned about the country's economic and underemployment problems than the immigration problem. Unfortunately, this election forces voters to choose between problems. (The "establishment vs. anti-establishment" issue has disappeared, since both candidates are established political figures leading non-establishment parties.)

So Le Pen has bet it all on a protectionist immigration focus and risks losing with a nanny-state leftist economic platform.

Macron's platform takes a more modern free-market approach to French economics but has a troubling immigration stance.

Macron wants to shorten processing times for refugees to eight weeks and to make foreign development aid contingent on countries' acceptance of deportees who fail to qualify for residency in the European Union. Macron said an in an interview that he's against quotas, calling them "impossible to control," apparently not realizing that countries such as Canada have managed quotas just fine.

"Contrary to what some say, we are not today confronted with a wave of immigration," Macron said.

Excusez-moi, but France absolutely has an immigration problem. Does Macron have a vision problem?

Macron redefines the problem as one of integration. "When we know how to integrate them, to train them, women and men renew our society, give it a new impetus, the impulses of inventiveness and innovation," he said.

When Macron worked as an investment banker for Rothschild, did the company hire anyone who showed up at the door and then throw money at them, hoping that innovation might spring forth? And when Macron was accepted to France's elite National Administration School, were his fellow classmates chosen at random and then trained at great taxpayer cost?

Not a chance. So why does Macron insist on a low bar for French immigration?

As an immigrant to France myself, Mr. Macron, allow me to appeal to your far more reasonable economic sense: You can't have both a nanny state and open borders. The kind of immigrants allowed into France should be unwilling to take a single centime from the government in social assistance, training or education. They should speak fluent French and be ready to work and contribute the minute they set foot on French soil. You want innovation? Import it. Set the quota sky-high for entrepreneurs, innovators and the self-employed who want to come to France.

Mr. Macron, you're kidding yourself if you think that most immigrants are going to quickly assimilate thanks to taxpayer largesse and your own volition. You seem like a man with high standards, so why the unwillingness to impose them on aspiring immigrants for the benefit of France's social cohesion and security?

It's strange that someone like Macron who has climbed to great heights in a meritocratic environment by virtue of hard work and persistence refuses to ask that others do the same. Entrance requirements aren't inhumane or cruel — they're a means of preservation. France deserves nothing less.


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They've put a new immigration law, and all this is a propaganda. Enough to see illegals to line up in front of the immigration office, now an illegal get right away immigrant permit soon he get is turn in the office, with this permit an illegal get full aid from the government . And it's a lot.

Shame. Poor France.

Another old story but gives more insight into who France's President Macron is:

Le Pen’s Globalist Rival: Don’t Worry About Mass Migration, Newcomers ‘Renew Our Society’

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Maintaining that mass migration is inescapable and will only accelerate, former investment banker Emmanuel Macron said immigrants are good for France and bring “fresh bursts of creativity and innovation” to society.

The presidential race’s establishment candidate also asserted that problems in migrant communities have nothing to do with waves of mass migration but are due to France’s failure to integrate them properly. He also voiced support for positive discrimination in employment and ‘mixing’ neighbourhood demographics in cities.

Noting that France took in fewer migrants last year than other countries in Europe, Macron said, “the subject of immigration should therefore not worry the French population” in his reply to a question from the president of pro-migration NGO Cimade regarding his stance on issues of migration policy.

“So why does [the Frenchman] debate? Because [migration] is the source of both confusions and misunderstandings. It’s a form of anxiety or, as some authors would say, cultural insecurity.

“But the roots of such feelings lie in the question of integration, not in migratory fact”, the former investment banker added, impressing that mass migration is the “reality” for “all democracies today”.

Macron also echoed comments made last week, in which he announced that the world has entered an age of mass migration which will be inescapable for Europe. He contended that huge migration waves of people from the third world to Europe will only accelerate in years to come as a result of “geopolitical uncertainties and climatic destabilisation”.

“We must not lie to our fellow citizens — immigration is not something which we can avoid,” the presidential candidate said. But he insisted the movement of people to France provides “economic, cultural and social opportunities”.

“In all theories of growth, [immigration] is one of the positive determinants. But only provided you know how to take care of it. When we know how to integrate them and to train them, women and men renew our society, giving it a new impetus and fresh bursts of creativity and innovation,” he said.

But Macron noted that “integration remains a problem in France”. Asserting the country has “concentrated all the difficulties, cultural, economic, and social, in the same neighbourhoods”, the independent candidate argued: “We can no longer dismiss mistrust of migrants.”

Proposing “stronger urban regeneration” for troubled, migrant-dominated suburbs in France, Macron touted the forcing of a more diverse “social mix” in neighbourhoods and dividing problem students amongst a wider range of schools as his preferred solutions.

“Positive discrimination in the field of employment must be encouraged,” he added.

“I want to help each person to integrate and to fight discriminatory practices in companies.”

Proclaiming “the real challenge lies in the return to [national borders]”, the presidential frontrunner attacked candidates in past and present elections who “promised to enforce immigration law and to deport irregular aliens” by claiming it’s almost impossible to send illegal migrants back to their homelands.

The sociologist and writer Mathieu Bock-Côté warned last week that Macron embodies “all that France wants to extricate itself from”.

“Excessive globalism and cultural leftism are in contradiction with the aspirations that seem to come from the depths of the country,” he wrote in Le Figaro.

Wikileaks revealed Macron was working on an alliance with Hillary Clinton last year before her shock defeat in the U.S. presidential election.

The globalist candidate had requested the Democratic presidential candidate’s presence at a private roundtable dinner in October with several European politicians, according to an email published on Wikileaks.

At this, a discussion “to evaluate how progressives develop a successful political and economic narrative to counter the right and populists to the left” was due to take place.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...renew-society/

Originally Posted by MW

Le Pen’s Globalist Rival: Don’t Worry About Mass Migration, Newcomers ‘Renew Our Society’

Translation....."I want to destroy this country once and for all".