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    Report: Trump Set to Sabotage Own DACA Deal by Putting Stephen Miller in Charge of Negotiations



    Politico has a scoop: The White House's preparations for negotiations over the DACA deal that Donald Trump tentatively struck with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi in September are being led by adviser Stephen Miller, who is such an anti-immigrant zealot that you could plausibly describe him as a white nationalist. From Politico:
    The White House is finalizing a plan to demand hardline immigration reforms in exchange for supporting a fix on the DACA program, according to three people familiar with the talks – an approach that risks alienating Democrats and even many Republicans, potentially tanking any deal.
    The White House proposal is being crafted by Stephen Miller, the administration’s top immigration adviser, and includes cutting legal immigration by half over the next decade, an idea that’s already been panned by lawmakers in both parties.
    As Politico notes, Miller's goals are so diametrically opposed to Democrats'—and extreme even when compared with most Republicans', given that he wants to drastically reduce legal immigration—that the most likely result of his involvement in the process is that it will fail. Here, then, is a timeline of Trump's DACA positions:


    • Said he'd deport all undocumented immigrants, with no exceptions.
    • Implied he'd come up with some sort of exemption for DACA beneficiaries by praising them as "incredible kids" and promising to treat them "with heart."
    • Made the widely unpopular move to end DACA without putting a backup plan in place.
    • Alienated his right-wing supporters by subsequently agreeing with Democrats to create a permanent grand-bargain legislative resolution to the issue.
    • Sabotaged the grand-bargain bargaining process by putting Stephen Miller in charge of it.


    It's not surprising, of course, that a politician would change positions on a controversial issue. But flip-flopping is supposed to benefit the politician who does it, at least in the short term. Trump, by contrast, has flopped about in such a way that seems almost intentionally designed to alienate as many people as possible while highlighting his own inability to pass major legislation.

    It's the same thing he did during the Affordable Care Act repeal process: Browbeating House Republicans into passing an unpopular bill by appealing to their loyalty, then betraying them by calling the bill "mean" and heartless in a meeting with senators, then attacking one of the Republican senators who subsequently pushed to make it more generous.

    ACA repeal efforts, of course, failed, and the administration's tax reform push seems likely to fail too, because the White House has made too many promises about what it will accomplish. (Trump has reportedly already started badmouthing his own team's tax reform plan in a sort of pre-emptive kiss of death.) For all the damage the #resistance and the Fake News Media have done to Trump's presidency, its most effective enemy sits in the Oval Office.

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    I have never given up on Trump. Honestly, I'm not sure if his caustic personality will ultimately lead to trouble, but so far I'm happy. Of course I'm on medicare so my health premium isn't really going up, although my income is more or less fixed. If they could deport enough people maybe the real estate demand would plateau----since it has gone up dramatically for a few years now. And then maybe the Fed would keep interest rates low; I'm hoping to make some purchase in the not too distant future. Low rates mean weak dollar, but I'm not planning on some big overseas investment anyway. And a weak dollar should stimulate US production, helping our fellow Americans who are struggling.

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    Poor Dems. They fell for the 'big heart" hook, line and sinker. Trump has a big heart, he's a very good person, but when it comes to a deal, he's not going to do anything he doesn't want, and he doesn't want a "deal" on DACA. He ran for office to solve this problem among many others so honestly, why would he ever agree to an amnesty for illegal aliens when he wants them all out of here? Trump wants to put Americans back to work and get them off of welfare so he can balance the budget and cut tax rates to bring our industries back home to create jobs for the Americans he wants to back to work. Illegal aliens are cogs in his wheel. They use too many resources, steal too many jobs, depress too many wages and leave way too many Americans unemployed, underemployed and on the welfare dole, the exact opposite of what he wants.

    Trump wanted the debt ceiling increase, he got it, with a well done hoodwink negotiation and everything since then is to bring national attention to the other things he wants like the wall, Raise Act, Davis-Oliver, and increased funding for interior enforcement and border security. Nancy and Chuck need to re-learn the meaning of "killing me softly." They're certainly old enough to remember that song.
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    Send these "incredible kids" back home to make their country great!

    Mexico and Central America...get your game plan on to absorb them, put them to work, get them opening businesses on YOUR soil.

    Run the gang members out...put them in jails.
    ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE "BROKEN" OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM

    DO NOT REWARD THEM - DEPORT THEM ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Poor Dems. They fell for the 'big heart" hook, line and sinker. Trump has a big heart, he's a very good person, but when it comes to a deal, he's not going to do anything he doesn't want, and he doesn't want a "deal" on DACA. He ran for office to solve this problem among many others so honestly, why would he ever agree to an amnesty for illegal aliens when he wants them all out of here? Trump wants to put Americans back to work and get them off of welfare so he can balance the budget and cut tax rates to bring our industries back home to create jobs for the Americans he wants to back to work. Illegal aliens are cogs in his wheel. They use too many resources, steal too many jobs, depress too many wages and leave way too many Americans unemployed, underemployed and on the welfare dole, the exact opposite of what he wants.

    Trump wanted the debt ceiling increase, he got it, with a well done hoodwink negotiation and everything since then is to bring national attention to the other things he wants like the wall, Raise Act, Davis-Oliver, and increased funding for interior enforcement and border security. Nancy and Chuck need to re-learn the meaning of "killing me softly." They're certainly old enough to remember that song.
    Your defense of Trump on DACA is almost comical.

    Poor Dems. They fell for the 'big heart" hook, line and sinker. Trump has a big heart, he's a very good person, but when it comes to a deal, he's not going to do anything he doesn't want, and he doesn't want a "deal" on DACA.
    Trump flops around so much it's hard to tell what he really wants these days. However, that said, I think he does want an amnesty for those enrolled in DACA. Of course, depending on who he is being influenced by on any given day, he is subject to change his mind. I just wish Trump was more like Jeff Sessions and had concrete convictions on all issues concerning illegal immigration. Honestly, I don't trust trump on the issue and never really have, however, like everyone else, I'm always hoping for the best.

    For the record, my distrust of Trump on illegal immigration comes from his very inconsistent positions on the issue.

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    Your defense of Trump on DACA is almost comical.
    Uh huh, thank you for your "opinion", MW.

    We'll see who gets the last laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Uh huh, thank you for your "opinion", MW.

    We'll see who gets the last laugh.
    This business is too serious for any laughing.

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    Then don't bring comedy into it.

    MW wrote:

    Your defense of Trump on DACA is almost comical.
    Trump ended DACA. That's what I wanted him to do. I like, support and appreciate Trump ending DACA. I don't find anything "comical" about that.
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    all issues the White House says need to be part of any bill Congress passes to legalize illegal immigrant “Dreamers” currently protected by the Obama-era deportation amnesty known as DACA.


    Trump unveils new strict 70-point immigration enforcement plan , DACA amnesty
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    Don't reward the criminal actions of millions of illegal aliens by giving them citizenship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    Then don't bring comedy into it.

    MW wrote:


    Trump ended DACA. That's what I wanted him to do. I like, support and appreciate Trump ending DACA. I don't find anything "comical" about that.
    Trump failed to keep his campaign promise to end DACA "immediately" after his election. Up until he was forced to end the program, yes, forced, he was still accepting new applications and allowing those already in the program to renew their work permits. Trump was personally responsible for actually expanding a program he had called unlawful and unconstitutional. The only thing Trump has done up to this point on DACA that he actually wanted to do was expand the program. That's why I said your defense of him on DACA is ALMOST comical, There is a huge difference in doing something you want to do and something you're forced to do.

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