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    How SSA "NO MATCH" Letters Fit into Worksite Compl

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    So the bottom line is the current administration which guides the department heads for each of these agencies has made it purposely confusing to make it look like they are taking a tough stance on illegal aliens working in the US when the facts prove and show differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotAZGUY
    So the bottom line is the current administration which guides the department heads for each of these agencies has made it purposely confusing to make it look like they are taking a tough stance on illegal aliens working in the US when the facts prove and show differently.
    I have always thought that this was a show put on by obama. Sleight of hand by making it appear that he is tough while the other hand makes it almost impossible to carry out the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasBorn
    Quote Originally Posted by PatriotAZGUY
    So the bottom line is the current administration which guides the department heads for each of these agencies has made it purposely confusing to make it look like they are taking a tough stance on illegal aliens working in the US when the facts prove and show differently.
    I have always thought that this was a show put on by obama. Sleight of hand by making it appear that he is tough while the other hand makes it almost impossible to carry out the law.
    It is a very simple process that social security sends a "No match" letter on the SSN# that outlines what doesn't match. Employee goes to local social security office and clears it up and brings employer letter stating the name, DOB, and social security number match their records.

    Under the E-verify system the first database it queries is the social security database to see if the name, DOB, and social security number match. If it does then it queries the Homeland Security database and gives you an "employment authorized" notice that the employer prints out for the employee file and any future I-9 audits.

    If it doesn't pass the social security database then it gives you a "non-tenative" letter that you have to give to the employee who must go to the local social security office and clear up and if they don't bring you a clearance letter from social security you are required to terminate their employment. If they bring the letter within the required timeframe you go back into e-verify and do an update request and the system either shows the cleared social security matter cleared up and issues a "employment authorized" letter or if it doesn't show cleared you have to terminate the employee according to e-verify.

    To be honest no new employees should even be getting a letter from social security if the employer used e-verify because it would have been caught at hiire time. The only few instances would be if the employer made a data entry error when doing the payroll info and when the taxes are forwarded to social security it doesn't match due to this error.

    All DHS has to do to close this gap is issue an order requiring all employers who receive a "no match" letter from social security that they re-run that employee though e-verify and if a "non-tentative" response is received follow the same procedure as you do on a new hire. My thoughts are you will find most of the no match letters to be on longer term employees who were employed before e-verify and so they have neer been run through e-verify hence the no match letters.

    Easy solution for employers with just the right administrative order from Homeland Security.
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    The ABC’s Of Employer Compliance: Social Security No-Match Letters

    What steps must an employer take if it gets a no-match letter?

    First, an employer must check its records to determine if the error was a result of a typographical, transcription or similar clerical error. If there is an error, the employer should correct the error and inform the appropriate agency – DHS or SSA depending on which agency sent the no-match letter. The employer should then verify with that agency that the new number is correct and internally document the manner, date and time of the verification. ICE is indicating in the preamble to the regulation that 30 days is an appropriate amount of time for an employer to take these steps.

    If these actions do not resolve the discrepancy, the employer should request an employee confirm the employer’s records are correct. If they are not correct, the employer needs to take corrective actions. That would include informing the relevant agency and verifying the corrected records with the agency. If the records are correct according to the employee, the reasonable employer should ask the employee to follow up with the relevant agency (such as by visiting an SSA office and bringing original or certified copies of required identity documents). Just as noted above, 30 days is a reasonable period of time for an employer to take this step.

    The rules provide that a discrepancy is only resolved when the employer has received verification from SSA or DHS that the employee’s name matches the record.

    When 90 days have passed without a resolution of the discrepancy, an employer must undertake a procedure to verify or fail to verify the employee’s identity and work authorization. If the process is completed, an employer will not have constructive knowledge that an employee is not work authorized if the system verifies the employee (even if the employee turns out not to be employment authorized). This assumes that an employer does not otherwise have actual or constructive knowledge that an employee is not work authorized.

    If the discrepancy is not resolved and the employee’s identity and work authorization are not verified, the employer must either terminate the employee or face the risk that DHS will find constructive knowledge of lack of employment authorization.

    What is the procedure to re-verify identity and employment authorization when an employee has not resolved the discrepancy as described above?

    Sections 1 and 2 of the I-9 would need to be completed within 93 days of receiving the no-match letter. So if an employer took the full 90 days to try and resolve the problem, they then have three more days to complete the new I-9. And an employee may not use a document containing the disputed SSN or alien number or a receipt for a replacement of such a document. Only documents with a photograph may be used to establish identity.

    Does an employer need to use the same procedure to verify employment authorization for each employee that is the subject of a no-match letter?

    Yes, the anti-discrimination rules require employer to apply these procedures uniformly. DHS is also reminding employers about the document abuse provisions which bar employers from failing to honor documents that on their face appear reasonable. But employers now have the safe harbor of a new regulation stating that this provision does not apply to documents that are the subject of a no-match letter.

    DHS notes that if employers require employees to complete a new I-9 form, the employer must not apply this on a discriminatory basis and should require I-9 verification for all employees who fail to resolve SSA discrepancies and apply a uniform policy to all employees who refuse to participate in resolving discrepancies and completing new I-9s.

    Note that under the March 2008 proposed changes to the August 2007 rule, employees hired before November 6, 1986 are not subject to this rule.

    What if the employer has heard that an employee is unlawfully present aside from hearing from the Social Security Administration or Department of Homeland Security in a no-match letter?

    Employers who have actual knowledge that an alien is unauthorized to work are liable under the INA even if they have complied with the I-9 and no-match rules. But the government has the burden of proving actual knowledge. DHS also notes that constructive knowledge may still be shown by reference to other evidence.

    Does the Department of Homeland Security have the authority to regulate the treatment of notices received by the Social Security Administration?

    A number of comments on the rule questioned this issue, but they were dismissed by DHS. Presumably, the issue could be the source of litigation.

    Why is the Department of Homeland Security issuing this rule when the White House supports comprehensive immigration reform that would give employers legal options for hiring these workers?

    DHS indicated in the preamble to the rule that while it wants to work with Congress on such legislation, there is no way to predict when it will pass and interior enforcement needs to be conducted. Others are arguing that the White House is interested in demonstrating to Congress that it is "getting tough" on illegal immigration in order to increase the likelihood that members of Congress would support comprehensive immigration reform.

    Will following the procedures in this rule protect an employer from all claims of constructive knowledge, or just claims of constructive knowledge based on the letters for which the employers followed the safe-harbor procedure?

    An employer who follows the safe harbor procedure will be considered to have taken all reasonable steps in response to the notice and the employer’s receipt of the written notice will there not be used as evidence of constructive knowledge. But if other independent exists that an employer had constructive knowledge, the employer is not protected.

    Are there any special rules for circumstances such as seasonal workers, teachers on sabbatical and employees out of the office for an extended period due to excused absence or disability?

    No, but DHS has noted that the rule provides a safe harbor to prove an employer does not have constructive knowledge and that if an employer makes a good faith effort to resolve a situation as rapidly as practicable and documents such efforts, that would be considered in evaluating the question of constructive knowledge.

    What are the time frames required under the rule to take each necessary action after receiving the no-match letter?

    Employer checks own records, makes any necessary corrections of errors, and verifies corrections with SSA or DHS (0 – 30 days)
    If necessary, employer notifies employee and asks employee to assist in correction (0 - 90 days) [Note: Under the March 2008 proposed rule, employers have five days to notify employees of the no-match if the employer conducts its internal review]
    If necessary, employer corrects own records and verifies correction with SSA or DHS (0 - 90 days)
    If necessary, employer performs special I-9 procedure (90 - 93 days)


    May an employer continue to employ a worker a worker throughout the process noted above?

    Yes. The only reason an employer would have to terminate prior to 93 days if the employer gains actual knowledge of unauthorized employment. DHS notes that it is not requiring termination by virtue of this rule; rather, they are just providing a safe harbor to avoid a finding of constructive knowledge. Employers may be permitted to terminate based on its own personnel files including failing to show up for work or an employee’s false statement to the employer. The reader is advised to consult labor counsel before terminating employees for such reasons during the no-match process.

    Employers may terminate as well if they notify an employee of the no-match letter and the employee admits that he or she is unauthorized to work.

    What if the no-match letter is sent to the employee, not the employer?

    The new rule only applies in cases where the written notice is to the employer.

    Does it matter which person at the employer receives the letter?

    No and DHS will not allow a designated person to receive these letters despite concerns raised about a no-match letter not making it to the appropriate party for too long. DHS has noted that an employer can determine an office within a company that becomes the recipient of all mail from DHS and SSA.

    Does verification through systems other than that described in this rule provide a safe harbor?

    No, and this includes instances where SSA provides options SSN verification as well as the USCIS electronic employment verification system. But DHS does note that DHS may choose to use prosecutorial discretion when employers take such steps.

    Does an employer filing for a labor certification or employment-based green card application have constructive knowledge constitute "constructive knowledge" that a worker is unauthorized?

    The new rule includes language stating "an employee’s request that the employer file a labor certification or employment-based visa petition on behalf of the employee" may be an example of a situation that may, depending on the totality of relevant circumstances, require an employer to take reasonable steps in order to avoid a finding of constructive knowledge. But DHS notes that some employees are work-authorized and are not necessarily unauthorized to work just because they request such sponsorship from an employer.

    Does an employer have to help an employee resolve the discrepancy with the Social Security Administration or Department of Homeland Security?

    No. An employer merely needs to advise the employee of the time frame to resolve. They are not obligated to help resolve the question or share any guidance provided by SSA.

    In what manner must employers retain records required under the new rule?

    The rule is flexible in this regard and employers may use any manner it chooses. The rule permits employers to keep records alongside the I-9 form. Employers are encouraged to document telephone conversations as well as all written correspondence.

    If a new I-9 is prepared based on this rule, does that affect the amount of time the I-9 must be retained?

    No. The original hire date remains the same even though the safe harbor procedure is used. So if an employer was hired several years ago, for example, has the I-9 form prepared again and then moves on to a new employer, the original date of hire applies for purposes of determining whether the one year retention requirement still applies.

    Doesn’t requiring an employee to fill out a new I-9 form per this rule constitute document abuse?

    DHS does not believe this is the case because any document presented that contained a suspect SSN or alien number would not be facially valid and that it is proper for employers to require new documentation.

    Won’t this rule lead to massive firings across the country?

    Many people are certainly worried that employers won’t bother to go through the safe harbor procedures and will just panic and fire all workers that are the subject of these notices or will simply decide not to spend the effort complying. DHS denies that this is likely to be the case and has said the rule is in response to confusion under the current process.

    Will an employer be liable for terminating an employee who turns out to be work authorized if they get a no-match letter?

    If the employee is authorized to work and an employer does not go through the various safe harbor steps in the rule, then the employer might be liable in an unlawful termination suit.

    What if the employee is gone by the time the no-match letter arrives?

    An employer is not obligated to act on a no-match letter for employees no longer employed by them.

    http://www.visalaw.com/compliance/nomatch.html
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