Thread: Anti-immigrant discourse is 'un-American': Obama

DES MOINES: President Barack Obama called anti-immigrant sentiment in Republicans' presidential campaign discourse "un-American" on Monday, appearing without naming names, to be condemning

the incendiary rhetoric of frontrunner Donald Trump.

"This whole anti-immigrant sentiment that's out there in our politics right now is contrary to who we are," Obama said during a town hall meeting at an Iowa high school.

"Because unless you are a Native American, your family came from some place else."

The president had come to Iowa to discuss new education policy proposals, but the question and answer session with residents focused on the 2016 election. Iowa has the first say in determining

who will become the presidential nominees of the major parties.

Real estate magnate Donald Trump, leading in the polls among Republicans vying to be their party's presidential nominee, has triggered criticism — and headlines — for his inflammatory comments about immigrants since the very

start of his campaign, when he said Mexico was "sending" criminals including "rapists" across the border.

He has kept up that theme since, calling for illegal immigrants to be deported and for the constitutional right through which those born on US soil are automatically US citizens to be eliminated.

Many of the Republican candidates trailing him in the polls have picked up on his rhetoric.

Without naming Trump or his rivals, Obama denounced that on Monday. "We can have a legitimate debate about how to set up an immigration system that is fair and orderly and lawful," Obama told the crowd.

"But, when I hear folks talking as if somehow these kids are different from my kids, or less worthy in the eyes of God, that somehow they are less worthy of our respect and consideration and care — I think that's un-American. I do not believe that. I think it is wrong."

Obama had made immigration reform a campaign promise in 2008, but he focused on other priorities early on in his administration and his recent efforts have been hampered by a Republican-dominated Congress.

Since the end of last year, he has resorted to signing a number of executive orders on immigration, giving approximately five million immigrants in the country illegally a path to legal status. Those measures include allowing parents

of US citizens or permanent residents to seek a three-year work permit if they have been in the country since the start of 2010.

Some 11 million people, mostly from Mexico, are thought to live and work in the Unites States illegally.

Anti-immigrant discourse is 'un-American': Obama - The Times of India

Let me see if I get this right-- apparently Obama thinks it is pro American to trash and ignore the laws that are the very foundation of our national sovereignty.

Amnesty (any legal status) is a retroactive nullification of our current immigration laws, apparently Obama think amnesty is pro American.

Apparently Obama thinks building a wall to deter illegal border crossings is anti-American.

Apparently Obama thinks sanctuary cities that ignore the federal laws, are patriotic places.

Apparently Obama thinks a limitless, mass, government facilitated migration off aliens is pro American.

Apparently Obama thinks it is a pro American act when a foreigner sneaks across our borders just in time to have a baby (that real Americans are forced to pay for) and then“claims birthright citizenship” using a distortion of the 14th. Amendment.

So apparently the Marxist genius in the White House, thinks anything that would preserve this nation is un American. And anything that weakens it is pro American.

We have a crisis because of non enforcement of immigration laws; we have an invasion of foreigners. There is no “debate” about immigration policies, there is only a deceitful attack using a hundred sneaky action to obliterated the USA as a sovereign nation.

Obama debates nobody; he just does what the hell ever he wants. The congress only passes laws if they facilitate the alien invasion or thwart the efforts of real Americans to who want to stop it. There is no “debate”about immigration policies. There is only the drive to obliterate America by a bunch of Marxists crackpots united with greedy businessmen and the pitched battle to stop them by real patriots who want to preserve their home, the USA.

I agree that Obama is the present leader in alien support. But the republican stance is not stellar! We have to admit that Americans have two major economic enemies, the republicans and the democrats. Neither of them will change until we treat them as they have performed, as ENEMIES of the state! Voting for republicans is akin to approving of American deaths by aliens and has been since 1986!!

I have to agree with Obama on this one.

The anti-immigrant crowd is a stain
on the backside of civil discourse.


Now, the anti-illegal alien crowd are true patriots!

Originally Posted by Nkosi

I have to agree with Obama on this one.

The anti-immigrant crowd is a stain
on the backside of civil discourse.


Now, the anti-illegal alien crowd are true patriots!

Well, I'll have to partially disagree here. When Obama is talking about "anti-immigrant" stances, he's referring to Americans who want to stop illegal immigration, deport illegal aliens in accordance with US immigration law, and pause, stop or otherwise place a Moratorium on All New Immigration for a spell, I think at least 10 years, to give US time to fix the problems and reset the system in a manner that works, and by that I mean a manner that does not steal jobs from Americans, nor deflate our wages, and ends publicly and privately funded welfare programs to immigrants who can't sustain themselves here because we don't have enough money, jobs or opportunities for them and our own citizens, plus the legal immigrants who are already here.

That means he's calling most Americans "anti-immigrant" because most Americans are fed up with this massive immigration, legal and illegal, as Americans stand in lines for jobs that don't exist, and hold jobs that don't pay enough to sustain them, and as we watch the debt paying for it rise and rise with the tidal wave of people coming in.

Americans didn't cause this problem. Illegal aliens, amnesties, and excessive green cards and visas being handed out to people in other countries caused this. Americans are now in the position of having to solve it. And, it's not going to be pretty. So Obama is wrong on this issue, Congress has been wrong on this issue, most political candidates have been wrong on this issue, most churches and not for profits have been wrong on this issue, and why not? They make money from being wrong on this issue. So, sadly, Americans are going to have to be the ones to stop this madness and end this travesty.

How do we do stop it? By speaking out, by throwing the crooks, thieves, liars and traitors out of office and doing and saying everything possible to elect people who will help US fix this disaster. It can't be done in a pretty fashion. The words have to be simple and direct and they are: "get out", "stay out", "no more" and so forth. Those are the only words in our language that deliver the simple messages necessary to fix this mess. It's a very unfortunate situation, but I don't see any other means to the end.

Originally Posted by Judy

Well, I'll have to partially disagree here. When Obama is talking about "anti-immigrant" stances, he's referring to Americans who want to stop illegal immigration, deport illegal aliens in accordance with US immigration law, and pause, stop or otherwise place a Moratorium on All New Immigration for a spell, I think at least 10 years, to give US time to fix the problems and reset the system in a manner that works, and by that I mean a manner that does not steal jobs from Americans, nor deflate our wages, and ends publicly and privately funded welfare programs to immigrants who can't sustain themselves here because we don't have enough money, jobs or opportunities for them and our own citizens, plus the legal immigrants who are already here.

That means he's calling most Americans "anti-immigrant" because most Americans are fed up with this massive immigration, legal and illegal, as Americans stand in lines for jobs that don't exist, and hold jobs that don't pay enough to sustain them, and as we watch the debt paying for it rise and rise with the tidal wave of people coming in.

Americans didn't cause this problem. Illegal aliens, amnesties, and excessive green cards and visas being handed out to people in other countries caused this. Americans are now in the position of having to solve it. And, it's not going to be pretty. So Obama is wrong on this issue, Congress has been wrong on this issue, most political candidates have been wrong on this issue, most churches and not for profits have been wrong on this issue, and why not? They make money from being wrong on this issue. So, sadly, Americans are going to have to be the ones to stop this madness and end this travesty.

How do we do stop it? By speaking out, by throwing the crooks, thieves, liars and traitors out of office and doing and saying everything possible to elect people who will help US fix this disaster. It can't be done in a pretty fashion. The words have to be simple and direct and they are: "get out", "stay out", "no more" and so forth. Those are the only words in our language that deliver the simple messages necessary to fix this mess. It's a very unfortunate situation, but I don't see any other means to the end.

I would have be crazy to submit to their definition. They do not hold the high ground. I will make them have the integrity to never conflate illegal and legal in the same word.

The details of any situation is were peccadilloes choose create their home.
Be vigilant and give them no quarter.

Originally Posted by Nkosi

I would have be crazy to submit to their definition. They do not hold the high ground. I will make them have the integrity to never conflate illegal and legal in the same word.

The details of any situation is were peccadilloes choose create their home.
Be vigilant and give them no quarter.

That is right! The problem isn't American attitudes towards massive immigration, legal and/or illegal, one of the problems is lumping the two words legal and illegal into the same "anti-immigrant" accusation, which is a false accusation. Even those of US, which is most of US, who want to stop and reduce the excess legal immigration hold no hard feelings towards those who are already here legally, we just don't want any more for awhile, because we don't have jobs or money for them.

Originally Posted by Judy

That is right! The problem isn't American attitudes towards massive immigration, legal and/or illegal, one of the problems is lumping the two words legal and illegal into the same "anti-immigrant" accusation, which is a false accusation. Even those of US, which is most of US, who want to stop and reduce the excess legal immigration hold no hard feelings towards those who are already here legally, we just don't want any more for awhile, because we don't have jobs or money for them.

When I hear "immigrant" and "anti-immigrant", I naturally think about legal folks. The deceptive media is to blame mostly for this gross inaccuracy. I thought journalists want to get close to accurate as they can...

Unfortunately, the refugee crowd that is being imported by the boatload counts as "legal" and entitled.

Originally Posted by Nkosi

When I hear "immigrant" and "anti-immigrant", I naturally think about legal folks. The deceptive media is to blame mostly for this gross inaccuracy. I thought journalists want to get close to accurate as they can...

Sure, and most people do. The media however refuses to call illegal aliens, illegal aliens, then they used the term illegal immigrants, and then they moved to undocumented immigrants, and now they just call them immigrants as if there is no difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal alien, to ensure no one knows who they're talking about or what issue is actually on the table at least some of our politicians and elected officials are trying to solve for US.

Before long, they'll be calling them all "refugees" fleeing war, violence and poverty.

Oh wait ..... they already are.